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Reports on Russian connections to Trump [Summaries in OP] #GoldenShowers

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If this was a mystery thriller movie, people would complain that it's being insultingly obvious to the audience.

But this it's real life, so let's have half the country blare endlessly about it being fake or some shit.

74% do say that they want to see the tax returns (and 49% of his own supporters do too.) If anything was in there that disproved these allegations, it would make sense to show it. Though with an ego like the one we're dealing with here, it could prove he's totally innocent, yet slightly in debt, and he still wouldn't reveal it.
 

Guy.brush

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The markets react only after it's too late.

yeah sadly.

Elected officials have multi year cycles in which they are held responsible for their actions.
CEOs have quarterly cycles where they have to answer their shareholders
and the financial market with its high-frequency trading has it measured in milliseconds.

Maybe that is the reason they feel like they are floating way beyond and above what is going on, they don't need to live with the consequences anymore.

When Brexit and Trump are hitting for real we are in for one wild ride.
 

MarionCB

Member
Things are just as scary watching you guys from Canada. I wish we were attached to Australia right about now.

Our awful leader publicly praises Trump and goes on about how alike they are, both being rich businessmen and knowing how to make a deal. We may be further away but at least you don't have a crazy Pro-Trump government currently.
 

Bisnic

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Things are just as scary watching you guys from Canada. I wish we were attached to Australia right about now.

Meanwhile, in Canada, our prime minister's "scandal" is about spending his holidays vacations on Aga Khan's island.

I'm sure americans would LOVE to have this kind of scandal compared to what's happening right now.
 

Caja 117

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Interesting, at the very least it makes him look slimy to the moderates and those on the fence.

Wow the accuser passed a polygraph!?!?

Now you Do it Donnie, take that test too!!! televised as well, let the whole country who is not a cult famatic confirm how full of shit you are.
 

Xtyle

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Does it matter she's lying or she was really sexually abused?
Trump has most likely done a lot of slimy shit in the past. I am just as happy shit gets throw at him.
 

kaching

"GAF's biggest wanker"
Nothing will happen it is like Bill Cosby all over again.
His reputation is tarnished beyond repair and I don't think all of the lawsuits against him have been decided yet, have they? He's not out of hot water yet and at the very least almost no one will want to work with again for the rest of his life.

Would that we could be so lucky with Trump.
 
Polygraphs are bunk science and don't prove or disprove shit.

It's the same way with everything that comes out of Trump's mouth. If his supporters are stupid enough to believe his lies, they'll be stupid enough to believe a polygraph works. It's a win-win situation.
 

MarionCB

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Yeah, that live chat is horrific. I had to hide it too. Very depressing.

What is up with the giant emoticons on the top of the stream? They're very undignified.
 

UberTag

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Doesnt matter if they work or not, the results will be there, and if he doesn't take it (which is what he wouold do) would only out him is a worst position.
Trump doesn't feel like he owes anyone anything. And he never seems to look bad for it no matter how "worse a position" he puts himself in. If anything, he'd welcome the attention refusing a polygraph would bring and would spin it against the IC/the media/Democrats/the boogeyman/global warming/Meryl Streep.

Slightly off topic: Is there an official thread for the womens' march that is taking place on Saturday? If not; should I make one?
If you do make one, you should make a point of citing ALL of the marches that are happening globally in major markets everywhere. The Toronto rally Facebook page is up to 5,500 committed attendees.
 
Interesting, at the very least it makes him look slimy to the moderates and those on the fence.

Wow the accuser passed a polygraph!?!?
Not to be a downer, but Polygraph effectively mean fuck all in terms of accountability /truthfulness. They've got about a 61% accuracy rating
 

Caja 117

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Trump doesn't feel like he owes anyone anything. And he never seems to look bad for it no matter how "worse a position" he puts himself in. If anything, he'd welcome the attention refusing a polygraph would bring and would spin it against the IC/the media/Democrats/the boogeyman/global warming/Meryl Streep.

True, True.
 

Dalek

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We talked to an ex-KGB colonel and Putin critic about the Trump-Russia dossier

The salacious allegations about President-elect Donald Trump made in a dossier authored by an ex-British intelligence officer have brought the old Soviet practice of “kompromat” — the gathering of compromising material — to the forefront.

Gennady Gudkov, a former deputy in Russia’s parliament, is known for his vocal criticism of President Putin and his party, United Russia. He’s also a former KGB and FSB colonel. VICE News spoke with Gudkov about kompromat’s long history and its continued use in modern Russia.

What is “kompromat” and how does it work?

Kompromat has existed as long as mankind. It’s a practice of gathering information about somebody that they would never want disclosed. Kompromat is a means of leverage, to the extent that it can make a person commit a crime or do horrible things out of fear of being exposed. In those cases, it amounts to blackmail, which is a crime.

But besides blackmail, there are many other ways one can use kompromat, such as influencing a person’s positions or politics with the help of embarrassing information.

Does the Kremlin gather kompromat, and what do they use it for?

Kompromat has been a favorite occupation of Russian elites throughout the last several centuries. They don’t just gather kompromat; they regularly use it and actively leak it to the media. There is an ongoing war between political parties, with setups, fake news, lies, and rumors. And Kompromat is the king in this war, especially when there is no democracy or transparency.

We live in the kingdom of lies, and the kingdom of kompromat.

Can you think of any recent examples of kompromat being used successfully in Russia?

It has played a constant and major role in recent history – and is mainly used to take down opponents and rivals. For example, the ex-general prosecutor of Russia who was shown on TV having fun with two prostitutes: It nearly went live on Channel 1 [mainstream Russian television].

Let’s also remember the war of kompromat between the teams of Luzhkov and Putin. A lot of kompromat is used in wars between Russia’s security services. All of the arrests of investigators and various generals that we hear about, it is all due to the use of kompromat in the power games between various groups, either pushing people out or eliminating opponents.

Does the government use blackmail in order to counter political opposition in Russia?

Kompromat is used to discredit and isolate the opposition. It is often used as the foundation for a further accrual of false information and lies.

You know how it happens: They take a fact, add speculation, rumors, and fake information on top of it to create an illusion of real news.

For example, the reports of Navalny stealing the forest, or Gudkov being caught laundering money in Europe, etc. No evidence is necessary. When mass media becomes a means of propaganda, when kompromat is gathered by secret services through surveillance and hacking, and used as a means of propaganda or counter-propaganda, or it’s used for settling the score in political games, its purpose becomes clear.

This is how political housekeeping works in Russia. Politicians who can influence public opinion are regularly compromised — this is the Kremlin’s favorite game. Well, not just for the Kremlin, but all totalitarian and authoritarian regimes. All of them enjoy gathering embarrassing information that they keep on the shelves for many years. And this information-gathering is not only reserved for their political opponents, but also for their allies and friends. The thinking goes: Today you are friend, tomorrow you are rival. Today you are a friend, tomorrow you are an enemy – one must have a folder for each. This is the principle of our government – keep kompromat on everyone.

Do you think they gathered kompromat on Trump? Do they really have a file on him?

If they could gather kompromat on Trump, they did it. If they could gather kompromat on Clinton, they did it. If they could gather kompromat on Merkel, they did it. In other words, you need to understand how kompromat works.

I knew one Russian politician who was a womanizer, and when I said to him, ‘Listen, one day they will…’ he said, ‘I don’t care; it will only add to my ratings.’ This was why he was leading an unembarrassed life. He simply did not care that he was under constant surveillance, because he did not think it would discredit him. I suppose people around him did not think so either.

For example, in America Bill Clinton had a relationship with Monica Lewinsky, and it caused considerable outrage. But if Boris Yeltsin had a similar romance with one of his assistants, it would have only increased his popularity in Russia. For each person and for each situation, kompromat can either be embarrassing or completely neutral. It depends on the situation, on the personality, and on the circumstances.

If they have it, how would the Kremlin use the alleged Trump kompromat?

They’re not going to use it now because the Kremlin is very happy about Trump’s victory. But I think these are illusions, wishful thinking that “Trump is ours.” Trump is not ours. It is clear that first of all Trump is a pro-American politician, and I think he might end up being tougher to deal with than Clinton or Obama. Nevertheless, in Russia there is a lot of euphoria that he won.

The victory of Trump is seen as our great success.

And it is clear that none of materials against Trump — if they exist — will be used. But that does not mean that if the situation changes, if the relations change or some kind of conflict begins, these materials won’t be used – again, if they exist.

As an ex-member of Russia’s secret services, does the dossier look genuine to you?

Fake news often looks more genuine than the truth. It is a difficult one to decipher. All we can do is check this information using different sources. It they confirm it, then it’s probably true. If they don’t, then it’s a well-composed fake.

Because Trump is quite independent in his views, opinions, and actions, some of the report could be true. But it can also be a cleverly shaped provocation aimed to make Trump offer excuses to the whole American nation.

It is hard to say, almost impossible.

What methods of kompromat collection do Russian secret services use?

Secret services obtain new means to collect kompromat every day. Everyone is dependent on their gadgets these days, everyone carries a few radio markers and video cameras that allow services to track their locations, listen to their conversations and even take photos, etc. People don’t see how they could live without all these electronic applications that can be controlled from outside organizations.

The main task of our secret services is control of the internet and IP telephones, and they have been successful in that area. Vkontakte and other [Russian] social networks are under control, and other social media applications like Twitter and Telegram have been put under serious pressure.

Unfortunately, because many Western businessmen prefer income to principles, they submit their codes to the governmental organizations in Russia, including secret services.

If these alleged Trump tapes exist, what organizations participated in the surveillance operation?

Speaking about who could gather information on Trump, the main organization would be the Federal Security Service (FSB). I’m sure the Foreign Intelligence Agency (SVR) was also assigned to watch Trump. I’m sure they also used the former 16th department of the KGB, now a part of Federal Guard Service, whose main task is to gather all kinds of information in Russia and around the world.

It’s important to understand that there is a lot of open-source information in the United States. Trump was not a government official, just a businessman, so there must be a lot information on him all over the media and other open sources in the U.S.

Our secret services can easily gain access to all this data. I’m positive that Russian secret services have a lot of information on him, his family, his business partners, connections, etc. Every secret service, every major country does this sort of work. American secret services, for example, don’t waste a chance to collect data on their friends and enemies, just in case they will need it later.

Given all that, is it possible Russian secret services bugged his hotel room in Moscow?

Back in the day, hotels that received foreigners all had so-called “plus” rooms. That’s agency slang. These rooms were marked with a plus sign on the KGB lists, which meant the room was equipped with stationary surveillance equipment. Rooms like that still exist in some hotels, especially the ones that are frequented by foreign officials, secret carriers, politicians, and public figures. There are less “plus” rooms today, mainly because nowadays you can bring all you need into the room. Back then, one needed to install stationary equipment, drill walls, insert wires, hide equipment under mirrors, windows, and whatnot. Now they can set up everything within minutes.

But “plus” rooms still exist. It’s possible that Trump stayed in a presidential suite that was a “plus” room. It’s exceptionally hard to spot [surveillance] equipment these days; it’s microscopic. Surveillance equipment is so tiny, it’s nearly impossible to protect yourself against it.
 

Excellent read, thank you for sharing. Enlightening to hear an intelligence officer's take on the situation.

This was a big part of it that concerned me. Sure, Trump and Russia "get along" now (I use quotation marks because getting along at this point entails so little, all Trump has to do is not point the finger directly at Russia and all the Kremlin has to do is not leak the kompromat; will be a different story when policy and lives are at stake) but what happens when Trump pushes back? Maybe the American public can use this time to get the hell over golden showers and realize everybody has a kink or two.
 

ZOONAMI

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Interesting.

Some of what he said is actually somewhat worrying, in the sense that Steele may have uncovered intel that parts of are actually prespun kompromat, that there maybe some truth which has already been added to with fabrications making it very difficult to determine what is real and what might just be BS made up by the FSB. And if Russian sources fed him this intel, it could be they are intentionally leaking the false kompromat, in order to discredit Trump and thus discredit America on the global stage.

All the pro Russia shit and anti NATO stuff though just seems too perfect though if there is actually no Russian influence directing him to say such things. In other words, they may have just found a perfect idiot.

I dunno now I'm like in conspiracy theory about a conspiracy territory here..... god damn.
 
So how many of you are outraged at wikileaks and Russia while also celebrating Mannings clemency?

Maybe some of us recognize that Manning deserved punishment, but not the severe punishment of 35 years in prison?

Also, Wikileaks has done much more than the Afghanistan leaks. Manning didn't dox every female Turkish voter for example.
 
So how many of you are outraged at wikileaks and Russia while also celebrating Mannings clemency?

Why don't you find said people and ask them.

Though that is a pretty poor false equivalency that you're teeing up, but I'm sure someone who has been seeking Manning's clemency would be happy to discuss their reasoning.
 
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