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Mass Effect: Andromeda - Cinematic trailer

i-Lo

Member
Looks interesting but I am more curious about how they handle dialog side of things.

Also, not to be an ingrate (given I'm currently playing through KoTOR II) but as good as the visuals look on the latest iteration of Frostbite, it still falls short of its 60fps brethren from DICE. Perhaps this will have less LoD pop-ins....
 

ironcreed

Banned
See, I'm old enough to remember when some folks called the original Mass Effect "just a glorified Star Trek game". And, you know what, ME1 basically is exactly that. It's Star Trek with Force powers (biotics). It even used certain Star Trek actors. Then it added in a dash of Battlestar Galactica. It wasn't unique in all of sci-fi, but it was unique for the gaming landscape.


But... there are scenes just like that in Andromeda.

(Pics)

It looks like quintessential Mass Effect to me.

Indeed. Only bigger and more beautiful than ever.
 

masterkajo

Member
Looks quite alright. I actually dig the cast.

Also, does anyone have the links to the other Mass Effect Andromeda briefing videos on the offical Mass Effect channel?
 
So what when I say something is generic I have to be talking about video games? I'm talking in general captain defense force.

Have you even seen any good science fiction? Andromeda comes across as low tier star trek fan fiction, all of the dreadfully overdone sci-fi tropes are on display in this trailer, I expected more from Bioware. Taking influence from pop sci-fi is nothing new for mass effect, but the influence was supplemental in the past, it only helped to prop up the already fantastic narrative, whereas Andromeda looks completely hollow and it's entire premise is cliche at this point. It's pretty much like going from Star Trek TNG to JJ Abrams Star Trek, gone is the purely cerebral focus, instead replaced with focus-tested crowd pleasing spectacle and adventure, which in effect makes it appear painfully generic in my book.

You can look into my previous posts where I go in detail about the art-direction of the game as well. As an artist the first two games and it's art direction were stellar, unique designs that really stood out in the video game world at the time, and I was deeply inspired by it's sense of strong mechanical design, I would get excited just seeing new designs pop up in the previous games as each game had it's own visual identity. Andromeda's art direction is painfully, PAINFULLY generic, nothing stands out, every single design is just a riff on a previous one in the old trilogy. It doesn't have an original bone in it's body and it's visual identity amounts to being unoriginal and filled with bad cliche's, it's really not hard at all to see how so many people see it as generic when it's not really doing anything new, doesn't look particularly great, and is telling a rather boring story.

There's a lot of bullshit to unpack here, but I'll stick to pointing out that you clearly don't know what "generic" means if you also turn around and say that it clearly draws on past MEs because, in that case, it has a clear visual identity: Mass Effect.
 
Meh. DA: O is inflated by the different origins.

I am curious whether ME2/3 have larger scripts due to male/female Shepard.

I'm surprised by the low count on the Witcher 3, though it definitely had way fewer branching quests than the previous games in the series though. Like, how would the Witcher 2's having literally two different second acts influence the word count?

Anyways, word count is a pointless discussion without context -- critical path, branching quests, choice/consequence, etc. Quality, not quantity, after all.

The conversation is about time and cost of voice recording and facial animation, not writing quality.
 
Made a thread a few weeks back saying I didn't understand the negativity.

...

Starting to understand the negativity. Too much Star Trek reboot too little Star Trek First Contact. Looks a bit derivative and not cerebral at all.
 

jdstorm

Banned
Just watched it. It feels like Mass Effect which is good. Not liking Dude Ryders Nate Drake esque Redesign since the original trailers but that should be easy to fix
 
So what when I say something is generic I have to be talking about video games? I'm talking in general captain defense force.

Have you even seen any good science fiction? Andromeda comes across as low tier star trek fan fiction, all of the dreadfully overdone sci-fi tropes are on display in this trailer, I expected more from Bioware. Taking influence from pop sci-fi is nothing new for mass effect, but the influence was supplemental in the past, it only helped to prop up the already fantastic narrative, whereas Andromeda looks completely hollow and it's entire premise is cliche at this point. It's pretty much like going from Star Trek TNG to JJ Abrams Star Trek, gone is the purely cerebral focus, instead replaced with focus-tested crowd pleasing spectacle and adventure, which in effect makes it appear painfully generic in my book.

You can look into my previous posts where I go in detail about the art-direction of the game as well. As an artist the first two games and it's art direction were stellar, unique designs that really stood out in the video game world at the time, and I was deeply inspired by it's sense of strong mechanical design, I would get excited just seeing new designs pop up in the previous games as each game had it's own visual identity. Andromeda's art direction is painfully, PAINFULLY generic, nothing stands out, every single design is just a riff on a previous one in the old trilogy. It doesn't have an original bone in it's body and it's visual identity amounts to being unoriginal and filled with bad cliche's, it's really not hard at all to see how so many people see it as generic when it's not really doing anything new, doesn't look particularly great, and is telling a rather boring story.

Captain defense force? That's rich. Everyone's free to take a steamy dump on the years of work people put into this game without even giving it a fair due, but me questioning your opinions somehow deserves to be derided. Absolutely ridiculous.

And given that you have such high regard for original art, why aren't you calling out the original Mass Effect game for ripping off Syd Mead?

As for the rest, I can already tell that I'd be wasting my breath when you're handling words like "painfully" to describe the degree to which something is "generic". The bottom line is that there is currently nothing out there like this in the video game space. In fact, IT isn't even out there yet, and it's already being tore down. I think that's really sad.
 
The next person who unironically says the word cerebral should be forced to watch through every episode of Kevin Sorbo In Space.

Mass Effect 1 wasn't that deep, guys. It had a shitload of lore that was unceremoniously dumped in awkward conversations and never had meaningful bearing on the actual plot 90% of the time. Tali and Liara were basically living encyclopedias and little more. It built a great setting, but it was hardly peak Sci-fi. The series has always been schlock. It's part of the charm.

I dunno where these rose-tinted goggles are being handed out, but I wanna burn that place down. Christ.
 

Carn82

Member
So what when I say something is generic I have to be talking about video games? I'm talking in general captain defense force.

Have you even seen any good science fiction? Andromeda comes across as low tier star trek fan fiction, all of the dreadfully overdone sci-fi tropes are on display in this trailer, I expected more from Bioware. Taking influence from pop sci-fi is nothing new for mass effect, but the influence was supplemental in the past, it only helped to prop up the already fantastic narrative, whereas Andromeda looks completely hollow and it's entire premise is cliche at this point. It's pretty much like going from Star Trek TNG to JJ Abrams Star Trek, gone is the purely cerebral focus, instead replaced with focus-tested crowd pleasing spectacle and adventure, which in effect makes it appear painfully generic in my book.

You can look into my previous posts where I go in detail about the art-direction of the game as well. As an artist the first two games and it's art direction were stellar, unique designs that really stood out in the video game world at the time, and I was deeply inspired by it's sense of strong mechanical design, I would get excited just seeing new designs pop up in the previous games as each game had it's own visual identity. Andromeda's art direction is painfully, PAINFULLY generic, nothing stands out, every single design is just a riff on a previous one in the old trilogy. It doesn't have an original bone in it's body and it's visual identity amounts to being unoriginal and filled with bad cliche's, it's really not hard at all to see how so many people see it as generic when it's not really doing anything new, doesn't look particularly great, and is telling a rather boring story.

I do kinda agree on the art direction from what we've seen, but I hope the game will surprise us. I do think that the whole series has been full of cliché scifi tropes since the first one, it's just that the first ME was pretty much a new 'format' and it ended up pretty good. But story wise Bioware hasnt much to tell regarding 'good' scifi in Mass Effect, it had always been nice window dressing for a pretty mediocre story. My favorite is ME2, because of some of the characters and its focused tone, the main story it pretty filler. If ME:A has some well written characters I'll be on board, no matter what cliché or less than inspired art direction. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind it being goty :)
 

Carn82

Member
Mass Effect 1 wasn't that deep, guys. It had a shitload of lore that was unceremoniously dumped in awkward conversations and never had meaningful bearing on the actual plot 90% of the time. Tali and Liara were basically living encyclopedias and little more. It built a great setting, but it was hardly peak Sci-fi. The series has always been schlock. It's part of the charm.

Yeah. It's about as deep as Uncharted or Tomb Raider are about archeology.
 
The next person who unironically says the word cerebral should be forced to watch through every episode of Kevin Sorbo In Space.

Mass Effect 1 wasn't that deep, guys. It had a shitload of lore that was unceremoniously dumped in awkward conversations and never had meaningful bearing on the actual plot 90% of the time. Tali and Liara were basically living encyclopedias and little more. It built a great setting, but it was hardly peak Sci-fi. The series has always been schlock. It's part of the charm.

I dunno where these rose-tinted goggles are being handed out, but I wanna burn that place down. Christ.

This.

I love Mass Effect but it literally has a race of 1.000 year-old hot blue babes that can mate with anyone and promote a culture of shaking their asses at bars when they're young.

I mean, there's nice sci-fi concepts, designs and cool characters but c'mon.
 

TheFatMan

Member
Pretty good trailer but not the best. Nothing is needed for me to be hyped for this game. The series is a must buy for me until I'm disappointed and I haven't been yet.
 
And given that you have such high regard for original art, why are you calling out the original Mass Effect game for ripping off Syd Mead?

Lets be real here, what hasn't ripped off Syd Mead? At this point his visual style is in the public domain.
As for the rest, I can already tell that I'd be wasting my breath when you're handling words like "painfully" to describe the degree to which something is "generic". The bottom line is that there is currently nothing out there like this in the video game space. In fact, IT isn't even out there yet, and it's already being tore down. I think that's really sad.

There's something wrong with describing how I feel about something? It's literally painful to see what once was my favorite video game franchise completely shed almost everything I ever liked about it and suddenly appear painfully generic. It used to have an air of cutting-edge dynamism, now it has the air of a wet fart coming from the bloated anus of a high budget blockbuster, and I think that's really sad.

I apologize for coming across so strongly, but it's only because I'm pretty passionate about the original series and I can't stand to see it neutered, I'd love to be wrong but every facet of this game's design rubs me the wrong way, and looking at the contents of this thread, it appears I'm not alone.
 
Starting to understand the negativity. Too much Star Trek reboot too little Star Trek First Contact. Looks a bit derivative and not cerebral at all.

That's a bit of an odd comparison. Star Trek: First Contact is a fun movie but it's also pretty lightweight intellectually, rife with questionable plot points and action movie logic. It's the same kind of dumb fun that the reboot movies are channeling, albeit not quite as intense.
 
The next person who unironically says the word cerebral should be forced to watch through every episode of Kevin Sorbo In Space.

Mass Effect 1 wasn't that deep, guys. It had a shitload of lore that was unceremoniously dumped in awkward conversations and never had meaningful bearing on the actual plot 90% of the time. Tali and Liara were basically living encyclopedias and little more. It built a great setting, but it was hardly peak Sci-fi. The series has always been schlock. It's part of the charm.

I dunno where these rose-tinted goggles are being handed out, but I wanna burn that place down. Christ.
^ ^ This.

Mass Effect has never been deep or original when it comes to its sci-fi concepts but we've always loved it. I don't know where people are getting the idea that previous Mass Effects were original and cerebral. Sounds like people need to take off their rose tinted nostalgia goggles and replay the Trilogy again. I'm replaying ME2 and ME3 on PC and it's full of cliche sci-fi tropes but I love it! We don't have enough epic sci-fi space drama games in the gaming world. Mass Effect is currently the only one I can think of that is releasing. I think it's unfair people are bashing for being "generic".
 

Carn82

Member
That's a bit of an odd comparison. Star Trek: First Contact is a fun movie but it's also pretty lightweight intellectually, rife with questionable plot points and action movie logic. It's the same kind of dumb fun that the reboot movies are channeling, albeit not quite as intense.

Yup.. The trek movies always have been a bit simple and more action focused. Gotta entertain the non trekkies as well.
 

Chamber

love on your sleeve
I want to get excited for this, but every time they show something off my reaction is, "...eh".

Same.

I hope this is like FFXV where I thought every piece of media released was garbage but ended up loving the final game. :/
 
😎 All female crew members to my crew quarters for thorough "briefing".

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Renekton

Member
The next person who unironically says the word cerebral should be forced to watch through every episode of Kevin Sorbo In Space.

Mass Effect 1 wasn't that deep, guys. It had a shitload of lore that was unceremoniously dumped in awkward conversations and never had meaningful bearing on the actual plot 90% of the time. Tali and Liara were basically living encyclopedias and little more. It built a great setting, but it was hardly peak Sci-fi. The series has always been schlock. It's part of the charm.

I dunno where these rose-tinted goggles are being handed out, but I wanna burn that place down. Christ.
They do touch on interesting topics in sci-fi space: ultra-humanism (Cerberus), genetic warfare and its sociological fallout (Genophage), mass brainwash versus genocide (A House Divided), sentient AI successfully forcing exile of creator race (Geth and Quarian Flotillas).

I will concede if you name me the sci-fi TV series episode that explores those subjects.
 

DC1

Member
The writing feels so cheap... Man I hope the lines are a mesh-up that work incredibly better in context.
 

Davide

Member
Bruh you got the nostalgia filter on something fierce.

Obviously the new one has more polygons and better lighting but the overall look of the original looks better to me half the time. Certainly not what tens yeas of advancements should look like.

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They do touch on interesting topics in sci-fi space: ultra-humanism (Cerberus), genetic warfare and its sociological fallout (Genophage), mass brainwash versus genocide (A House Divided).

I will concede if you name me the sci-fi TV series episode that explores those subjects.


They touch on those like a fly touches on poop. Lightly and with a record of eating shit. Touching on a deep topic doesn't make you deep if your coverage of it is shallow.


I can't name specific episodes cause I ain't a nerd, but Star Trek, Stargate, Battlestar Galactica, and Babylon 5 tackled these same issues more than once.
 

jtb

Banned
remember the elevators in ME1? lol

and then you'd walk out a minute later, and the textures still wouldn't be loaded
 
Obviously the new one has more polygons and better lighting but the overall look of the original looks better to me half the time. Certainly not what tens yeas of advancements should look like.

KjBTou8.jpg


Now let's see both images in the same resolution, video of both games characters expression range, and the entire planet environments.


Also I feel like that ME1 shot is using texture mods. Hardly an unbiased comparison. Liara's frill does not look that good in vanilla.
 

PSqueak

Banned
Is that a female Turian? Didn't know they existed.

Yes the alien designer was forced to show concept art after he infamously said some stupid shit about why they werent in the first trilogy, something along the lines of "what are we gonna do? give them boobs and lipstick?".

Which makes the fact that she is FUCKING PINK all more hilarious.
 

Sande

Member
Was Tom Taylorson told to do his best Nolan North impression? Cause it's downright uncanny at points.

Not a criticism or anything btw. I just genuinely had to check IMDb to make sure it wasn't North.
 

Tovarisc

Member
Yes the alien designer was forced to show concept art after he infamously said some stupid shit about why they werent in the first trilogy, something along the lines of "what are we gonna do? give them boobs and lipstick?".

Which makes the fact that she is FUCKING PINK all more hilarious.

Pink?
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Edit:
Was Tom Taylorson told to do his best Nolan North impression? Cause it's downright uncanny at points.

Not a criticism or anything btw. I just genuinely had to check IMDb to make sure it wasn't North.

BW wanted NN voice, but for cheaper.

jk
 
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