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Excluding Zelda, what game is worth buying a Switch at launch?
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Jaded Alyx
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Which one is that then, the Wii or the DS?
"Computationally" underperforming...The GameCube released in 2001.
Financially underperforming...well I won't even touch this one as it's clear you have no idea what you're talking about.
100+ million is quite niche compared with Pokemon Go. An insignificant blip.
No game is worth buying a console at launch. You buy a console if you think that it has several games you are interested in.
The fact that Splatoon 2 is coming out in the summer doesn't change the fact that its coming out only on the Switch. So for me I've already decided Splatoon 2 is enough for me to buy this specific console.
If it didn't have Zelda at launch I'd probably wait til MK8D drops to buy it but since it does have Zelda I plan to buy it March. I prefer to buy it on the Switch since it's a sexy looking system and there are a few other local multiplayer games that would be fun to play with my girlfriend and other friends.
Looking at the games announced so far the Switch is going to be my Japanese and Indie machine that also happens to play Nintendo exclusives. Below are the titles I'm interested in and in bold are the games I'm definitely buying
Nintendo:
Splatoon 2, Zelda, Snipperclippers, Arms, MK8Deluxe, Super Mario Odyssey, Xenoblade Chronicles 2
3rd Party:
Bomberman(when it goes down to sub $40), Minecraft, Dragon Quest XI
Indie:
Stardew Valley, The Binding of Isaac, Fast RMX, Redout, Rime, Yooka-Laylee, Shovel Knight
The fact that Splatoon 2 is coming out in the summer doesn't change the fact that its coming out only on the Switch. So for me I've already decided Splatoon 2 is enough for me to buy this specific console.
If it didn't have Zelda at launch I'd probably wait til MK8D drops to buy it but since it does have Zelda I plan to buy it March. I prefer to buy it on the Switch since it's a sexy looking system and there are a few other local multiplayer games that would be fun to play with my girlfriend and other friends.
Looking at the games announced so far the Switch is going to be my Japanese and Indie machine that also happens to play Nintendo exclusives. Below are the titles I'm interested in and in bold are the games I'm definitely buying
Nintendo:
Splatoon 2, Zelda, Snipperclippers, Arms, MK8Deluxe, Super Mario Odyssey, Xenoblade Chronicles 2
3rd Party:
Bomberman(when it goes down to sub $40), Minecraft, Dragon Quest XI
Indie:
Stardew Valley, The Binding of Isaac, Fast RMX, Redout, Rime, Yooka-Laylee, Shovel Knight
Explain how? Because that is absolutely not true, as a matter of fact backed up by sales numbers:
Uncharted 4: A Thief's End: 8.26 million
Killzone Shadow Fall: 2.1 million
Bloodborne: 2 million
Driveclub: 2 million
Final Fantasy XV: 1.1 million
Infamous Second Son: 1 million
The Last of Us Remastered: 1 million
Mario Kart 8: 8.26 million
NSMBU: 5.62 million
Super Mario 3D World: 5.47 million
Super Smash Bros. for Wii U: 5.16 million
Splatoon: 4.76 million
Super Mario Maker: 3.89 million
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD: 2.11 million
^I think every dev/publisher on the planet would love to have their games be that "niche."
What is a "forced niche?" Millions buy a game -> forced niche? How does that work? I don't think you can back this up without relying on personal opinion that amounts to "I don't like Nintendo."
Spiral Insanity
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Splatoon 2 comes out later, but I don't see why I shouldn't enjoy Switch ar launch until that releases. Same for Arms, Mario Kart and Mario Odyssey (which I expect to be delayed to 18)
except 2k, EA and activision :/
I'm talking about ecosystems
...ok, you're some kind of delusional. Nintendo hasn't sold 20+ million stickers let alone 20+ million of any individual console title. The only reason they sold 11M+ titles at any point is because they were DS titles and almost half the price of console games.
The success of Wii is the worst thing that could have ever happened to Nintendo and all you Nintendo fanboys and fangirls because the company and probably fans have this misguided belief that the success of Wii was all Nintendo's doing even though it's fairly obvious it was far more a result of environmental conditions that were conducive to creating a casual game fad/gimmick that was absorbed by mobile phones, which has already collapsed except for a few whales in that casual games ecosystem.
Ok junior whatever makes you sleep at night. Jeez what a horrible post. Nintendo unquestionably makes some of the best first party titles in the industry, that's not Nintendo fanboys that have come up with that. You ask any group of people with half a clue about gaming and Nintendo EAD will be in a tight group of the top 3 developers around.
Just because they are not to your taste does not invalidate everyone around you.
LegendofLex
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Can't tell if trolling or serious, so...
Super Mario Bros. 3 - 18 million
Super Mario World - 20 million
Super Mario 64 - 11.89 million
Mario Kart Wii - 36.83 million (15 million in first FY, before bundle)
Wii Sports Resort - 32.99 million (16.14 million in first FY, before bundle)
New Super Mario Bros. Wii - 29.9 million (14.7 million in first two quarters, before bundle; led best quarter for HW sales in industry history)
Wii Play - 28.02 million
Wii Fit - 22.67 million
Wii Fit Plus - 21.12 million
Super Smash Bros. Brawl - 13.15 million
Super Mario Galaxy - 12.72 million
Tetris (Game Boy) - 35 million
Pokémon Red and Blue - 23.64 million
Pokémon Gold and Silver - 23 million
Super Mario Land - 18 million
Super Mario Land 2 - 11 million
Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire - 16.22 million
Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen - 11.82 million
New Super Mario Bros. - 30.80 million
nintendogs - 23.96 million
Mario Kart DS - 23.60 million
Brain Age - 19.01 million
Pokémon Diamond and Pearl - 17.64 million
Pokémon Black and White - 15.62 million
Brain Age 2 - 14.88 million
Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver - 12.72 million
Animal Crossing: Wild World - 11.75 million
Super Mario 64 DS - 11.06 million
Pokémon X and Y - 16.06 million
Mario Kart 7 - 14.82 million
Pokémon Sun and Moon - 14.69 million
Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire - 13.68 million
Super Mario 3D Land - 11.17 million
"Fads" don't peak three years later. They peak almost immediately, and slide away just as quickly.
Wii sold really fast out the gate, but it sustained strong sales for about four years and sales only slipped once Nintendo stopped putting out new games. When they did slip, they did so at about the rate of N64 and GameCube.
Wii can't be a fad if it doesn't have the sole defining characteristic of a fad. Call it "the result of environmental conditions, sure" (the economy is not what it was 10 years ago), but that's every successful (or failed) product.
DAREALGUMMY
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I'd buy Bomberman or Ultra Street Fighter 2 with Shovel Knight on the side.
TAS
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Ummm..yes they have. Multiple times. Mario Kart Wii sold 36 million. New Super Mario Bros Wii 29 million. Wii Play 28 million. Wii Fit 22 million. To name a few.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Herb Alpert
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Wow you're on fire junior. If you hope really strong maybe the switch will fail. Let's cross fingers!
Jaded Alyx
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Not only have you no idea what you're talking about, you have the nerve to call me delusional.
You'll last long around here.
(Sorry, that was me being delusional)
Platformers and toon characters have been pretty much drummed out of the mainstream gaming industry...the part of the industry that sells 3x to 10x the number of consoles as Nintendo.
Because Nintendo refuses to publish on any platform other than their mediocre performing consoles with very few third party games the people that do like their games are forced to by a console made by them. The smaller number of people that do like Nintendo games buy into the platform hoping for third party games but not expecting them.
Nintendo players usually buy the Nintendo as a secondary system just to abate a fear that Nintendo will collapse and drag all their IP to the pits of oblivion along with all their fans feelings of nostalgia associated with the games like so many other platforms before it. The Nintendo fans are justified because all those collapsed platforms also did not expand and transform their businesses to cater to the times.
Nintendo is aware of all of this and it manipulates the community it has left. It was reported that already at one they time threatened to pull the plug on all their IP before going software-only plunging fans to the depths.
Forced niche that extorts it's users.
shiftplusone
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I haven't liked a zelda since WW, and I thought a change in the formula would be good but they went and made an open world game, so BOTW isn't doing much for me.
on launch day, there is absolutely nothing that looks good to me, but I'm keeping my preorder since my wife wants zelda.
Japan's launch looks better
Do they have a release date for shovel knight yet?
on launch day, there is absolutely nothing that looks good to me, but I'm keeping my preorder since my wife wants zelda.
Japan's launch looks better
Do they have a release date for shovel knight yet?
Huge Succeeded
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and you wanna talk about delusional
LegendofLex
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When last I checked, none of Nintendo's competitors have ever sold even 2x as many systems as them during any generation since Nintendo started making games hardware. This includes the current generation.
They're about three for three on doing that to their nearest competitors, though.
This was a really gripping story. Bravo.
lol.... gotta try little bit harder at trolling or do some research.
Jaded Alyx
Member
Have you heard of something called 'Nintendo 3DS' ?
Peterthumpa
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I'm pretty sure that this is Trump's GAF alt account.
Wow, a+ fan fiction would read again.
The only thing that was missions was the word "period" at the end of your story.
Jaded Alyx
Member
Didn't you hear? The only reason DS software sold well was because they were on the DS!
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Barrel Cannon
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Bomberman R is the real reason to own a Switch. Zelda is just the backup game you get cause you already own a Switch.
Lol chill with the fire Mega. Not everyone can handle the truth.
The PS4 is still a better overall ecosystem for 3rd parties but they aren't all putting out Nintendo numbers that's for sure
Lol chill with the fire Mega. Not everyone can handle the truth.
The PS4 is still a better overall ecosystem for 3rd parties but they aren't all putting out Nintendo numbers that's for sure
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Deleted member 752119
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I'm guessing you're including handhelds?
Looking at consoles only the PS2 sold many times more units that GameCube (and Xbox). PS4 has sold over 60 million compared to Wii U at 13 million or whatever.
Portable sales of course matter, but that doesn't change the fact that Nintendo's been largely irrelevant sales wise in the console market two of the past three generations. And they know this hence why they didn't put out a pure console as their strength is in portable gaming.
Most of the western console market ( and the eastern console market is dying) wants realistic art styles, shooters, WRPGS, GTA, AssCreed, sports sims etc in their big games. Not the genres and art styles Nintendo focuses on.
It's a fantastic game. If you like something you can pick up and play on the go. This is a perfect game to play. If you don't really go out much and game and have a pc. Just pick up pc version for cheap.
LegendofLex
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Why wouldn't you? They fight over the same time and money you could be spending on PS2 or PS4. They're an example of Nintendo "adapting to the market" with their hardware and software. They're still mainstream games industry products where platformers and cartoon characters sell.
If you want to say "only home consoles count," that's your prerogative. But I'd argue that this is wrongheaded; portables are as much a reaction to what's going on in the home console space (and what needs it isn't meeting) as what's going on with home consoles themselves.
The fact that Nintendo's competitors suck at making them successful doesn't mean they don't count in this fight.
IlGialloMondadori
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I don't even understand why people care and get so upset. Clearly no one is buying a switch JUST for Zelda. They're buying it day one for Zelda and whatever else they grab, then the continuous flow of Nintendo games coming down the pipe.
Why is that such a bad thing? I didn't buy a ps4 on launch for Killzone and Assassin's Creed, either, but I knew there would be games coming soon that I'd want, so I might as well jump in since I have the cash and new system launches are exciting (and frustrating).
Why is that such a bad thing? I didn't buy a ps4 on launch for Killzone and Assassin's Creed, either, but I knew there would be games coming soon that I'd want, so I might as well jump in since I have the cash and new system launches are exciting (and frustrating).
Hate is strong in this one. God.
IlGialloMondadori
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Yes. It's basically a cracked out nightmare roguelike built from the bones of Zelda dungeon runs.
Because it's not enough for the people that don't want to buy the Switch at launch. They want everyone to "come to their senses" on how awful they believe the launch to be, even when no one asked.
Cinematic games and first person shooters have been pretty much laughed out of the mainstream gaming industry...the part of the industry that sells 3x to 10x the number of portables as Sony.
Because Sony and Microsoft refuse to publish on any platform other than their underpowered consoles with very few third party games the people that do like their games are forced to by a console made by them. The smaller number of people that do like Sony games buy into the platform hoping for third party games but not expecting them.
Sony players usually buy the Xbox as a secondary system just to abate a fear that Xbox will collapse and drag all their IP to the pits of oblivion along with all their fans feelings of nostalgia associated with the games like so many other platforms before it. The Sony fans are justified because all those collapsed platforms also did not expand and transform their businesses to cater to the times.
Sony and Microsoft are aware of all of this and it manipulates the community they have left. It was reported that already at one they time threatened to pull the plug on all their IP before going software-only plunging fans to the depths.
See what I did there?
Not serious of course. Just poking fun at dude. With his logic, Sony and Microsoft are also holding their IPs hostage to their brand.
Because Sony and Microsoft refuse to publish on any platform other than their underpowered consoles with very few third party games the people that do like their games are forced to by a console made by them. The smaller number of people that do like Sony games buy into the platform hoping for third party games but not expecting them.
Sony players usually buy the Xbox as a secondary system just to abate a fear that Xbox will collapse and drag all their IP to the pits of oblivion along with all their fans feelings of nostalgia associated with the games like so many other platforms before it. The Sony fans are justified because all those collapsed platforms also did not expand and transform their businesses to cater to the times.
Sony and Microsoft are aware of all of this and it manipulates the community they have left. It was reported that already at one they time threatened to pull the plug on all their IP before going software-only plunging fans to the depths.
See what I did there?
Not serious of course. Just poking fun at dude. With his logic, Sony and Microsoft are also holding their IPs hostage to their brand.
IlGialloMondadori
Member
This is well done...But just don't engage.
Wii hate is annoying.
Acting as if handheld's don't exist, don't play games, aren't worth considering, is even more annoying. Also quite widespread.
But they are making normal, good consoles! The way they should be made and the way everyone should want their console to be!
Meanwhile Nintendo is cruel and making waggle infested portables now with no power! If you want said waggle failbox, you are suffering Stockholm syndrome /s
SparksterMeta0
Member
Zelda and [maybe] Bomberman.
Not sure about 1-2 Switch yet.
Not sure about 1-2 Switch yet.
shiftplusone
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Since I feel my post got lost in that garbage I want to re ask
I hate just about every design decision of binding of Isaac, but realize I am in the extreme minority on this. It's very popular and well regarded. Watch maybe 5 minutes of a play through and if it's interesting to you that's basically the game
I hate just about every design decision of binding of Isaac, but realize I am in the extreme minority on this. It's very popular and well regarded. Watch maybe 5 minutes of a play through and if it's interesting to you that's basically the game
IlGialloMondadori
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Zelda, Binding of Isaac, and likely at least one other indie. I'd love Bomberman, but I'll wait and see how it fares. If it gets great reviews and has a ton to do, I'm in. Turbo Bomberman was a huge blast back in the day, no pun intended.
Oh crap, and if Shovel Knight makes it for the 3rd, I'm in.
Oh crap, and if Shovel Knight makes it for the 3rd, I'm in.