The better argument would be to ask if we'd assume you were a terrorist.
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Disney cuts ties with PewDiePie after he posts antisemetic videos
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I'm not saying it was good satire, the show was trash, but it certainly positioned itself as satirising popularly held leftist beliefs.
The purpose of decent satire is to offer critique with the intent of helping improve things, and even if this is too narrow a definition all that show did was maliciously attack shit with unintelligent and downright ugly devices.
It wasn't relevant satire, it was a fucking shit show of alt-right bigotry.
The wild west days of the Internet are over. You can't just post "edgy" humour everywhere and think its OK, especially when you're partnered with a company like Disney. He's 27, he should know better.
We're seeing a generation of 20 something year olds who grew up with places like Newgrounds and 4chan which have become the foundation of all their humour and they haven't been able to grow up from it. That and a clear misunderstanding that "edgy" comedy isn't the same as dark comedy.
There's nothing clever about writing "Death to all Jews". It's just bad taste.
We're seeing a generation of 20 something year olds who grew up with places like Newgrounds and 4chan which have become the foundation of all their humour and they haven't been able to grow up from it. That and a clear misunderstanding that "edgy" comedy isn't the same as dark comedy.
There's nothing clever about writing "Death to all Jews". It's just bad taste.
Posts like these give too credit to a guy who not long ago thought being funny meant yelling "faggot" when he saw a gay person or a suggestive scene in a video game.
I'm in complete agreement with you both, my point here is that both Pewdiepie's repeated instances of anti-semitic material and shows like MDE getting airtime contribute to the normalisation of fascist viewpoints.
Disney did the right thing severing ties, and Turner did the right thing cancelling MDE.
Anyone arguing it's 'just comedy' doesn't understand how insidious these vile viewpoints can be, masquerading and infiltrating people where they don't expect it.
Fantastapotamus
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To make jokes about "Death to all Jews" work in the current political climate you either need to be either the funniest or the smartest man/woman alive. If you are neither and post that shit it shouldn't surprise you if people call you out on that.
Which he has stopped doing, right?
People can grow, and shock humour can exist without the comedian being a bigot themselves.
There's plenty of room for growth here, and PewDiePie has shown some promise he's capable of it.
I was only taking umbrage at your implication that satire as a whole was enabling (the way your post is worded definitely implies this), which isn't true. I agree with your clarification though, thanks for it.
I don't think PewDiePie's jokes were relevant satire, either.
Envious of a Culture celebrating Vanity, Ego-Stroking and complete lack of talent? Yeah, sure, right... =)
There might be a few gold nuggets in the ocean of shit, but not the guy fake-screaming into a webcam and completely not getting that Nazi-Jokes DON`T have a place in a show where your target-audience are kids.
Yeah?
https://www.google.com/search?q=pewdiepie+slurs&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
Be sure to check the dates before getting back to me. To him, humor means just yelling out shit and seeing what sticks or what will get meme-ified. There's nothing else to it.
SpacePirate Ridley
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The allahu akbar shit happens a ton also with kids in spain. Just the other day there were two kids behind me in the cinema with their parent to watch the batman lego movie, and there was a trailer with an explosion and one of the kids said "prepare for allahu akbar" and the other kid laughed with him.
I discovered last summer thanks to my small cousin this was so rampant thanks to the pieces of shit spanish youtubers like pewdiepie with mostly kids audiences.
Yellowflashdude
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Pewdiepie seems to have gone on an edgy streak with his last few videos as if he's trying too hard to dissociate with the past image of his channel.
I meant the "faggot" part.
As I said, he has room for growth. He has his shock humour approach, and he's sticking with it for now, but he seems to be phasing some of the shit out. Here's hoping he takes it all the way.
At this point he could sit on camera and fart a tune for 20 minutes and his audience would listen. He doesn't need to keep up the shtick.
"Complete lack of talent"?
Yeh dude, keep up with the dumb generalisations. Takes 0 talent to be a huge youtube star, heard it here first!
Poor wording on my part then. I meant comedians who actually do hold fascist beliefs who then use their routines to lighten the material in such a way that people are more easily exposed to hateful ideals, not comedians making fun of fascism by satirising and exaggerating its ridiculousness. There's a difference there and I think both PDP and MDE fall on the wrong side of that line.
Fully agreed.
This. People saying "lol its a joke man" don't even know how much of an influence this guy have to young kids and how dangerous it's to spread these """"jokes"""".
Good for Disney.
TastyBread
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Lack of talent huh?
He must be good at something to be as successful as he is! I'd definitely say what he does is not an easy job by any stretch, its not working in a coal mine thousands of feet under ground in South Africa for a dollar a day but it's tough in its own right, and he makes millions of people happy, not to mention the millions he's raised for charities through out the years. His fanbase is definitely not just 10 year olds either but I guess you already know that
When it comes to twitch celebs or youtube celebs so many people look down on them and swoop in with the quick "who?" nonsense, it's kind of sad. You're on an internet forum, you're not getting any cool points for doing things like that haha.Okay, while i'm not defending him on the other issues, the "nigga-controversy" was blown out of proportions.
Context for that one
Yelling out "Nigga" in excitement should really not be something to be slammed for
excelsiorlef
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What is the context of the photo... like where was it taken?
Red Liquorice
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DId he grow or did he just stop using a word because of the negative reaction it caused?
wat.
Yeh, while he does deserve a bit of side-eye for that one it's definitely not something to hold up as proof of his bigotry.
And if we go as far as to say "well, let's hold up all of it", we also have to hold up his general personality, his actions, and all the other shit he says, because as a whole it absolutely doesn't support the "Pewds is a bigot" narrative.
Who's to say for sure, all I know is that, when viewing everything the guy says and does, I think it's absolutely clear he isn't a bigot.
That wasn't a "Hitler did nothing wrong " joke. For context: the video where the Jesus guy appears saying that, it wasn't PewDiePie that made him say it. It was a video on how the the dancing dudes with the sign and Jesus dude got banned from Fiver after his video. PewDiePie was saying that it was unfair that they got banned, but he was puzzled because he didn't actually make the Jesus guy say anything offensive at all, so he doesn't understand that ban. He then stumbles upon on other videos by the Jesus guy and finds the mentioned clip(which was commissioned by someone else), making clear why the Jesus guy actually got banned.
Similarly, the video where he puts a image of Hitler and uses a MAGA hat, he was making a parody of drama channels like Drama Alert or Scarce, equating them to Nazis. Shit, the Hitler image has Hitler using a Scarce armband photoshopped over the swastika. The dude was parodying drama channels as Nazis, not really making Nazi propaganda.
PewDiePie does make some edgy-ass jokes and has been rightfully dropped from Disney, but the dude isn't a Nazi.
Bits N Pieces
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What the fuck is this?
I never called him a bigot. I'm not even sure I believe that he is one. I think he's a hack though and an extremely irresponsible one, which makes him dangerous.
You say there's growth or that he's capable of it. I don't agree. I don't think it's even malicious on his part, but there's a baseline for this type of humor that he doesn't meet or a nuance to the shock tactic that he lacks. It's the kind that is easily mistaken by impressionable types because it doesn't comment on the type of people who actually find the idea of killing Jews funny and not seeing anything else to the video(s) because there's nothing to them below the surface. Copy/paste one minority group with another and it's all the same.
He's one of many popular youtubers that had to apologize for using 'gay' as pejorative in their early years. Clearly we are less tolerant of that kind of casual bigotry today. But there are still a lot of channels that continue to say it.
Indeed.
He's demonstrated growth. Not only in ways like the quoted part above this, but in his latest videos, some of which are quite self-aware.
Time will tell.
Fantastapotamus
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I'd rather know the context of the photo in the photo.
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Yeah. What's the point in posting this without any context, seriously. What am I reading?
Red Liquorice
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I don't know where the line is between being an immature fuckwit and being a bigot is - I guess we all have to decide for ourselves when that line is crossed when a celebrity uses words like nigger, faggot and pays people who don't speak your language to hold up banners with similarly offensive and inciteful language just for a cheap laugh to an audience of millions of children and teenagers.
McGruber21
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Good. Pew Die Pie is really annoying, and the amount of views he gets is President Trump level sad to me. Just goes to show there are a lot of dumb ass people in this world -_-
As you know, I'm not implying that.
I said jon bones accused him of being a Nazi. You said the media does it too and sort of implied I do it too.
So far, only jon bones.
He has? And which articles?
Again, you proposed "when Nazis are coming" as what if scenario.
It is not a what if scenario.
One advises the President of the United States of America. The President himself is deeply racist.
Another one just murdered 6 muslims in Canada.
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Even in these times, I still can't believe you are saying this unironically.
excelsiorlef
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Don't you think there's a difference between a word been hurled at someone as an form of insult or in an attempt to hurt that person, and the same word simply being used to yell out in excitement? Because i think there is, and only one of them is unacceptable.
Yep, i think he totally deserved to be fired from Disney from what he did, even if it was in jest. However from what he did in his videos he is still far, far away from guys like Richard Spencer who support those ideals.
I am going to point bigotry whenever i see it.
I will not be outraged by every single instance a word is being used, completely ignoring the context, especially in times like these you should take a good look what you are actually outraged about. It's easy to miss out on those who actually try harm people with their actions in times like these.
Using shock humour doesn't make you a bigot. It might make you an enabler of bigotry in certain contexts, and I believe this is the line PewDiePie is balancing on right now.
He is very clearly not a bigot, this is discerned via his myriad actions and articulations that totally go against the idea. I think it's is absolutely apparent.
He is, however, irresponsible and needs to grow up and realise the impact his shock humour is having.
Shadow, is that you?
Fallout-NL
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I think it's highly unlikely he didn't mean to endorse that awful shit in some way.
I apologize, I copied it from another thread without context. It's isn't what I thought it was.
It's obvious he didn't mean to if you actually have any idea about the guy and the overall content of his content.
stargateheaven
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didn't know he was even in bed with disney
not like he needs that money
not like he needs that money
King of Custard
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You honestly believe kids will watch this and become anti-Semitic? Really!?
Again this has been done before and yes it has been done for shock value before and aimed towards kids before which I know pew de pie has a young audience but he's played porn games in the past so I don't think he's geared his content directly towards them.
This was done with the intent to be funny it doesn't make pew de pie a Nazi
A young and charismatic exponent of Sweden's neo-nazi party. In his free time he posts gameplay videos on youtube.
When was the last time that Pewdiepie got a 20 page thread on Neogaf?
lmao, always funny to see h3h3 being throw in these discussions. Made 4 videos making fun of extreme left people getting crazy and used the "SJW" expression, probably an alt-right nazi piece of shit.
Stays out of political discussion: probably hates all minorities. Even though he calls out a lot of bullshit from racists too and said that he voted for Hillary. But yes, he's probably a nazi.
Basically you cant say the truth if there's even the possibility some idiot conservative will interpret it in their favor. Thats what its come to.
I think there's the potential that his shock humour could help enforce already held beliefs, yes. Denying that seems pretty intellectually dishonest.
Didn't say it made him a nazi. In fact, if you read the thread and my other posts you'd see I've literally been saying the opposite for pages. Pay attention please.
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