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[Smokey]

You should get the E6 if you can.
Otherwise wait for HDMI 2.1.
No point buying the 2017 OLED considering it's price vs the E6 today.

I watched Hakshaw Ridge yesterday, bloody amazing.

Interested in a holdover until 2018. That's why I was interested in 43" Sony. My heart is set on OLED, but for reasons you mentioned it's hard to jump unless I can catch one on sale .

 

[Dominican Power]

Is the XBR43X800D the best 40 inch TV?

 

[vpance]

Maybe they can patch it lower in the future?

Always a possibility. I can live with 43ms with what I usually play.

 

[Aztechnology]

I reached out to Rtings about the LeEco line as I was curious if they planned to review the new lineup.

Daniel from Rtings responded

We are currently performing a review of the LeEco Super4 X55, and expect to complete it by the end of this week. Unfortunately at the moment we can’t comment on its performance.

Thank you for your great feedback.

Hope to see it soon. It has the potential to certainly be the budget recommendation for many here on GAF.

 

[Dominican Power]

Anyone own a KU6300

 

[Aztechnology]

Anyone own a KU6300

I did for a short time, well the KU6290, which is the same TV.

 

[simtmb]

I have a C6 and I use it for PC and console use. I'm also sensitive to input lag, and I've done many tests on it myself. Mouse pointer feels good on the PC, this is a good way to test it. I happen to be a retro gamer and many games like 2D platformers absolutely need low input lag to be playable at a high level. This TV passed that test for me to. I have a Wii U hooked up to it too and it's about the same in terms of input lag as the Gamepads screen, which is to say excellent.

One thing to note though is it takes about 30 seconds after the TV turns on or when you switch inputs for the input lag to go down, it starts off twice as high then levels out.

Best thing to do is take a laptop or something to a store that has C6's on display and ask if you can hook it up to test for input lag. I did and they let me, the guy at the store knew my concern and about knew about input lag too so was okay for me to test it out.

Thanks for the impressions man, took up your advice and was able to test out the set, and walked away with a purchase.

Initially i had the 55" KS9000 on my mind but was able to secure a good deal and pay just a bit more for the 55" C6. Very happy.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

French X930E review: http://www.lesnumeriques.com/tv-televiseur/sony-kd-55xe9305-p37847/test.html

-6690:1 contrast ratio
-Near Z9D brightness
-76 edge lit zones
-43ms lag in game mode

As an owner of the 930D, wow at 76 zones. Probably going to be one of the best LED TVs.

 

[Endorphineforeverybody]

German test edge-lit 65xe93:

https://youtu.be/j6m_HrdCPks

Edit:

input Lag game modus 41,7 ms sdr but in 4k hdr 25ms

64 zones

1300 and 700 nits.

Overall good test for the tv.

 

[Geneijin]

Depends on the source. For a game or bluray movie, then OLED is better in most cases, although for some HDR scenes it won't get as bright as the Samsung. It also doesn't upscale as well and artifacts from low quality sources like cable tv, OTA, and streaming are more noticeable. If you're sensitive to judder then the LG doesn't handle it as well unless you turn on the Trumotion settings which sometimes gives it the soap opera effect. That sounds like a lot of negatives, but it really falls back to how you're going to use the TV primarily. If you're watching in a dark room with good sources, then you'll be pleased. I wouldn't use it as a PC monitor though like some people do. The ABL and image retention could end up being a problem.

To be fair, that's why OLED TVs got a separate standard to meet HDR requirements from the UHD alliance. A good static contrast ratio is a good portion of what really sells HDR. A lot of people forget that.

High Dynamic Range
SMPTE ST2084 EOTF
A combination of peak brightness and black level either:
More than 1000 nits peak brightness and less than 0.05 nits black level
OR
More than 540 nits peak brightness and less than 0.0005 nits black level

 

[vpance]

German test edge-lit 65xe93:

https://youtu.be/j6m_HrdCPks

Edit:

input Lag game modus 41,7 ms sdr but in 4k hdr 25ms

64 zones

1300 and 700 nits.

Overall good test for the tv.

Much better lag under 4K.

You can see that there's still blooming, of course. Wonder what their comment on that was.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

You should get the E6 if you can.
Otherwise wait for HDMI 2.1.
No point buying the 2017 OLED considering it's price vs the E6 today.

I watched Hakshaw Ridge yesterday, bloody amazing.

I'm waiting for HDMI 2.1 at this point, it's not like my Sony 65X900A is some kind of struggle TV.

In a year, Game Mode VRR is going to be amazing and revolutionize gaming on TVs the way G-Sync has revolutionized gaming on monitors.

 

[Kyoufu]

I'm waiting for HDMI 2.1 at this point, it's not like my Sony 65X900A is some kind of struggle TV.

In a year, Game Mode VRR is going to be amazing and revolutionize gaming on TVs the way G-Sync has revolutionized gaming on monitors.

 

[NYR]

In a year, Game Mode VRR is going to be amazing and revolutionize gaming on TVs the way G-Sync has revolutionized gaming on monitors.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

IN

A

YEAR

2018 MOTHERFUCKERS

 

[dallow_bg]

The Sony OLED will be at a local store here in Dallas this weekend. Will check it out.
I will ask how much.

 

[Paragon]

http://i.imgur.com/VGKMT2S.gif

http://replygif.net/i/593.gif

Is this funny because you don't think HDMI 2.1 will be in 2018 TVs, or because you don't realize how big a deal variable refresh rate support is?
Because I would hate to spend big on a TV in 2017 without support for it, if I didn't need a new TV, and buying a TV is only something I would do every 5+ years.
Gives everyone another year to work on the motion problems of OLED too.

 

[Daante]

I will most likley wait until 2018 to upgrade from my current Sony 65x900B.

Very curious though on this years OLED:s from LG, SONY and Panasonic, and how much/little better they are overall compared to E6/C6/B6.

 

[Endorphineforeverybody]

Much better lag under 4K.

You can see that there's still blooming, of course. Wonder what their comment on that was.

Not much, better with direct led backlight they said. Overall they were pleased with the picture quality and the possibility of "gleichmäßige Abstufung" to counter banding artefacts even in game mode. "reference edge-lit tv".

 

[Mascot]

UK GAF:

Need recommendations please for a good-brand 1080p 50" TV for my parents, whose old 32" 720p Toshiba has finally gone kaput (hurrah!). They are unlikely to ever use 4k unless Freeview start broadcasting 4k (is this ever likely?). Maybe 4k is a better bet anyway for 'reasons'? They mainly watch Humax-recorded freeview or live Freeview broadcasts. No Blu Rays, DVD use very rare. They do watch movies from USB stick, via the Humax DVR.

I used to be well up to speed on TV tech but have been out of the loop for a few years now.

Another option is I give them my 50" Pioneer plasma (ten years old and still going strong) and get myself a 65" 4k set.

Any help and advice much appreciated.

 

[vpance]

Not much, better with direct led backlight they said. Overall they were pleased with the picture quality and the possibility of "gleichmäßige Abstufung" to counter banding artefacts even in game mode. "reference edge-lit tv".

Nice. It certainly does look like the one to beat overall in terms of edge lit panels this year.

 

[Kyoufu]

Is this funny because you don't think HDMI 2.1 will be in 2018 TVs, or because you don't realize how big a deal variable refresh rate support is?
Because I would hate to spend big on a TV in 2017 without support for it, if I didn't need a new TV, and buying a TV is only something I would do every 5+ years.
Gives everyone another year to work on the motion problems of OLED too.

I think HDMI 2.1 could be implemented in the 2018 models, but I don't see support for it from developers being a thing for some time longer. Look at HDR on PC, it's basically non-existent right now and consoles won't support VRR until PS5 launches at the earliest.

Maybe I'm wrong and hopefully I'm wrong because I'd love to see it happen sooner than later but tech like this always takes a while to get going.

 

[Smokey]

lol!

Waiting on reviews to come through for these 2017 models.

 

[KevinG]

Just for curiosity sake, what kind of input lag would my current TV have? I have scoured the internet, but that information just isn't available.

http://www.usa.philips.com/c-p/40PFL4707_F7/40-inch-class-po/overview

I want to know if that's even something I'd be sensitive to on the LG B6.

 

[Art Vandilay]

I've posted before about my TV dilemma, but I finally got my refund approved from Samsung for the faulty set (and repair) they sold me.

That said, I'm now thinking about buying either a 65" KS8000 or a 55" B6, and I need help deciding which. I sit roughly 12' away from the TV, but I think I can rearrange so I'll be more like 10' away. My arrangement just won't work any closer than that. This has me leaning towards the 65" KS8000.

I can't justify spending more than $2k on a TV, and I don't know when or if the 65" B6 will come into my price range so this also has me leaning towards the KS8000. Only this time I will buy from Best Buy rather than Samsung directly so I can just swap out a faulty set if I need to. I'm planning on making a purchase within the next two weeks and using credit card price protection, so keep that in mind as prices will likely drop over the next month or two on each of these sets.

Which do you guys recommend?

 

[b0bbyJ03]

Normal.

Specifically, when a 2016 LG OLED automatically defaults to any of the 3 HDR video modes, the color gamut automatically switches to Wide Color Gamut. The Color Gamut settings, Extended and Wide, within any HDR video mode is then used to adjust the color saturation even wider in BT. 2020 if chosen, but that isn't desirable if color accuracy is wanted.


You're thinking of motion interpolation, which is an optional feature that can be turned off thankfully. Consumers seem to love it unfortunately.

Re: Color gamut on OLED's

Outside of a calibrated set, color gamut in HDR is most accurate in Normal. If a calibrator sets it to Normal, Extended, and or Wide, they under/over compensate saturation/color through white balance tuning to get it correct. For end users without a calibration, any other color gamut outside of normal will oversaturate. Basically, when in HDR the set is already displaying wide color gamut, the color gamut setting is misleading as it deals with the saturation levels in the HDR space. Here is a quick quote from an editor at Sound & Vision, posting at AVS:

"in HDR mode, about Normal vs. Wide, both will provide the same (native primaries) gamut coverage, the largest the TV can display, but the problem is that in Wide it's boosting the lower saturation levels (make them more saturated), so for HDR the Normal is the only correct settings.

For SDR. Wide Gamut option is only helpful when you use the LG in post production for SDR @ ISF mode to calibrate for DCI-P3 or use eeColor for 3D LUT with 65-Point Cube (or other processors with smaller cube size) bypassing LG's poor CMS controls to perform 3D LUT display profiling.

In SDR mode, Normal will provide a slight oversaturated REC.709 coverage while Wide will provide the largest possible (native) so it will oversaturate a lot the colors if you watching HD/Full HD content (blu-ray/sat/cable etc..) which use REC.709. In SDR mode the Normal is the correct setting also. "

Personally, I set mine to Extended and compensate for the higher saturation by putting color at 48.

EDIT: Damn you Genijin, beat me to it

Perfect explanations. Thank you both. I thought that wide looked over saturated but I wasn't sure what the recommendation was.

 

[Paragon]

I think HDMI 2.1 could be implemented in the 2018 models, but I don't see support for it from developers being a thing for some time longer. Look at HDR on PC, it's basically non-existent right now and consoles won't support VRR until PS5 launches at the earliest.

Maybe I'm wrong and hopefully I'm wrong because I'd love to see it happen sooner than later but tech like this always takes a while to get going.

HDR support is (often) missing on PC because it has to be done through vendor-specific APIs that only work in fullscreen mode right now.
Microsoft is holding things up by not adding native support to Windows 10 yet.
Once Windows 10 itself supports HDR, I expect to see much more widespread adoption.

VRR works very differently from HDR, and does not require game-specific support.
As long as the GPU/Display supports it, you just need to disable V-Sync in-game for it to work.
It's handled by the driver rather than the game.

You will probably have to upgrade to a new HDMI 2.1 capable GPU though.
Consoles may need new hardware and/or game-specific support though.

 

[J-Rzez]

The Sony OLED will be at a local store here in Dallas this weekend. Will check it out.
I will ask how much.

What store is this? Are they demoing it, or is it in stock for sale?

 

[Yukstin]

I've posted before about my TV dilemma, but I finally got my refund approved from Samsung for the faulty set (and repair) they sold me.

That said, I'm now thinking about buying either a 65" KS8000 or a 55" B6, and I need help deciding which. I sit roughly 12' away from the TV, but I think I can rearrange so I'll be more like 10' away. My arrangement just won't work any closer than that. This has me leaning towards the 65" KS8000.

I can't justify spending more than $2k on a TV, and I don't know when or if the 65" B6 will come into my price range so this also has me leaning towards the KS8000. Only this time I will buy from Best Buy rather than Samsung directly so I can just swap out a faulty set if I need to. I'm planning on making a purchase within the next two weeks and using credit card price protection, so keep that in mind as prices will likely drop over the next month or two on each of these sets.

Which do you guys recommend?

I would probably still go with the bigger sized display. When I upgraded this year, one of my requirements was to increase screen size. I went from a 54" to a 65". Increase in size has made a nice difference in my living room viewing from my various viewing positions.

Now I did go OLED over LED but if you can't justify the price difference, the 8000 is still a fine display from what everyone has said about them here. I think you'll be happy with it.

 

[J-P]

I ended up paying $2100 for my B6 65 after using price protection on my Citi card and submitting one of those ads from the shady places selling it for unrealistic prices.

Question,

If I download some demos to a flash drive, how do I get them to play? Select the source and it will play automatically? If there are more than one on the drive will it go through them all?

 

[Art Vandilay]

I would probably still go with the bigger sized display. When I upgraded this year, one of my requirements was to increase screen size. I went from a 54" to a 65". Increase in size has made a nice difference in my living room viewing from my various viewing positions.

Now I did go OLED over LED but if you can't justify the price difference, the 8000 is still a fine display from what everyone has said about them here. I think you'll be happy with it.

Thanks, this is probably what I'll do. I read somewhere that LG's prices are dropping March 6th so I'll probably wait at least until then to see what happens.

I ended up paying $2100 for my B6 65 after using price protection on my Citi card and submitting one of those ads from the shady places selling it for unrealistic prices.

Question,

If I download some demos to a flash drive, how do I get them to play? Select the source and it will play automatically? If there are more than one on the drive will it go through them all?

Nice. That was initially my plan, but all those shady sites are now bundling a free wall mount. I think they did this to prevent people from just using their prices and not bothering to (attempt to) order a TV from them.

 

[Anarion07]

I ended up paying $2100 for my B6 65 after using price protection on my Citi card and submitting one of those ads from the shady places selling it for unrealistic prices.

Question,

If I download some demos to a flash drive, how do I get them to play? Select the source and it will play automatically? If there are more than one on the drive will it go through them all?

Yes to the USB thing.
And I hate you for getting that price. Eu pricing is just ridiculous. Got mine for 3500 € and that was a good deal

 

[jwhit28]

I'm sure this has been asked a million times but which 2017 TVs should I be watching if I'm someone shopping in the XD800-ks800049 price and feature range?

I have no idea what the cadence is for TV releases and tech sites only seem obsessed with covering top end stuff.

 

[dallow_bg]

What store is this? Are they demoing it, or is it in stock for sale?

Starpower in North Dallas. Seems like just a demo.

https://star-power.com/blogs/consum...outhlake-tx-scottsdale-az/starpower-expo-2017

The nationally hailed Starpower EXPO returns March 3rd - 5th, 2017. This phenomenal event features consumer electronics technology that has never been seen by the general public, including Samsung's first Q LED television and Sony's new line-up of OLED televisions.

Representatives from the top manufacturers across the globe that will be present to give in-store demonstrations and consultations, including Sony, Samsung, LG, Klipsch, Revel, Martin Logan, SVS, SONOS and more!

 

[wtd2009]

Next gen for vizio is starting to roll out

https://www.cnet.com/products/vizio-e-series-2017/preview/

Unfortunately only the E series for now. But it's a start and brings hdr for cheap.

 

[J-Rzez]

Starpower in North Dallas. Seems like just a demo.

https://star-power.com/blogs/consum...outhlake-tx-scottsdale-az/starpower-expo-2017

Awesome. I'm curious for some impressions. I emailed some people and they said they're probably their demo units from CES, and won't have the full features and enhancements from the retail units, whatever they updated.

 

[Later Alligator]

my c6 showed up with damage to the bezel

screen appears to be intact. working on a large discount, replacement or refund

 

[Smokey]

Starpower in North Dallas. Seems like just a demo.

https://star-power.com/blogs/consum...outhlake-tx-scottsdale-az/starpower-expo-2017

i went into this place a couple months ago and saw the 700k ultimate home theater. the whole store is amazing, didn't know they had a "expo"

 

[Lucentto]

The LG 55B6 is catching my eye. How much do TVs usually get discounted after the new models come out? I know it was on sale for 1500 on ebay. But I am looking to get it at a place like Amazon.

 

[Duderz]

Thanks, this is probably what I'll do. I read somewhere that LG's prices are dropping March 6th so I'll probably wait at least until then to see what happens.

Say what now?

 

[Captain Zyrain]

I have a 2015 Samsung 65JS9500.. Anyone else rocking one of these? So far game mode seems fine, and HDR/UHD's.. But they promised to update the one connect box each year and of course.. Nothing. Wondering if they'll ever get us anything new?

 

[gagecube]

So I've just got this tv the other day, first 4k tv and the first tv I've gotten since 2007. I'm hoping someone could point me in the direction of best picture settings for my PS4 Pro and concurrently, my cable box

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I got my Sony UBP-X800 today. I can confirm that it is actually a 4K UHD Blu-ray player and plays back 4K discs.

I don't know what the official release date actually was but it seems that Best Buy is selling it early because the network features and apps are mostly not yet enabled. Netflix works, all other apps cannot launch. Playstation Video just gives an error saying the service is not available. There is no promised release date yet on firmware which enables the apps.

It plays back 4K discs just fine and is the fastest player I've tried between Bone S, Samsung, and Philips in terms of loading discs and navigating menus. I have not tried the Panasonic and Oppo players. Of particular interest is the fact that this is the first player which features an adjustable HDR to SDR conversion algorithm, when the movie is playing you can twiddle a slider up and down which changes the luminance and saturation values of the conversion.

Obviously if you have an HDR TV this is meaningless to you. Those of us who have SDR TVs will find it interesting. Playing with the slider did make the image brighter or darker, though without an HDR TV to compare side-by-side it's not possible for me to see which SDR setting is most "accurate" relative to an HDR image.

The Blu-ray disc playback is the fastest I have ever seen. It's The Flash in terms of perfomance. It's the Blu-ray player version of "I'm running so fast that I'm my own hype man!" You put a disc in and almost instantly it has loaded. Reportedly this player has a 10-core Mediatek SoC in it, the same one in the Oppo, which is probably why this thing runs like it's literally on fire. BD playback is otherwise what you would expect from any modern BD player, after 10 years I think any player you buy today can play back BD just fine.

I really wonder how much better the Panasonic and Oppo players can be for more than twice the price. In terms of 4K UHD BD playback, it curbstomps the Samsung UBD-K8500 into the ground, I had issues with the way the Samsung player handles HDR to SDR conversion among other things. The Philips BDP7501 that I own only cost me $96 on Black Friday so I can't help but give it a pass for being by far the slowest player by a very wide margin. I couldn't stand the sluggish bloated UI of the Bone S, plus at the time it didn't support bitstreaming of audio so it had to go back after a week. For $300, this thing is really good so far. Although I kind of hope they enable the apps soon, hopefully that happens whenever the actual street date is comes around.

 

[Art Vandilay]

Say what now?

Now I'm seeing March 12 over at AVSForum

 

[Chumley]

Anyone know the fastest way to pair bluetooth headphones with my LG OLED? I just bought a pair of bose qc35's and would love it if there was some way to make it auto-pair when I turn them on or for there to at least be a quicker way to do it besides navigating through the menu's every time.

 

[Wollan]

I'm just going to re-post it here for those who are considering upgrading to LG B6 OLED due to Horizon Zero Dawn:

If there's others like me that bought this TV for Horizon Zero Dawn and are still waiting for European firmware release...

Fear not! Game feels super responsive on normal HDR mode.
I played Uncharted 4 the other day and it kinda felt a bit syrupey so it got me a bit nervous but I can now confirm Horizon plays great. Seems like the 60ms delay doesn't affect a 30fps game that has no inherent frame-pacing issues.

Though I expect competitive MP players in 60fps HDR games might still eagerly await the update maybe.

 

[MDave]

Thanks for the impressions man, took up your advice and was able to test out the set, and walked away with a purchase.

Initially i had the 55" KS9000 on my mind but was able to secure a good deal and pay just a bit more for the 55" C6. Very happy.

Glad to help! It's such a good TV.

For those not recommending to use it for PC use, image retention is not permanent. I use a black screen saver and screen shift to avoid the temporary image retention when using it on Windows desktop. One thing I noticed is image retention is only slightly noticeable when using it on the highest OLED brightness with bright UI elements and even then it goes away after a minute or so.

And man, using this for Unity and 3Dsmax is absolutely amazing! Far and away way better then a multi monitor setup. And of course, 4K PC gaming.

EDIT: Those waiting for firmware updates in Europe for the B6/C6 etc, you can get the latest ones from the LG site (your region) and stick onto a USB stick. LG aren't pushing the latest updates to the TV through the TV menu for some odd reason?

 

[Mascot]

Has anyone here got any experience of https://www.visions-direct.co.uk/?

I can't seem to find much info about them online. Most searches seem to default to vision-direct (singular), who sell contact lenses.

 

[Jigolo]

I got my Sony UBP-X800 today. I can confirm that it is actually a 4K UHD Blu-ray player and plays back 4K discs.

I don't know what the official release date actually was but it seems that Best Buy is selling it early because the network features and apps are mostly not yet enabled. Netflix works, all other apps cannot launch. Playstation Video just gives an error saying the service is not available. There is no promised release date yet on firmware which enables the apps.

It plays back 4K discs just fine and is the fastest player I've tried between Bone S, Samsung, and Philips in terms of loading discs and navigating menus. I have not tried the Panasonic and Oppo players. Of particular interest is the fact that this is the first player which features an adjustable HDR to SDR conversion algorithm, when the movie is playing you can twiddle a slider up and down which changes the luminance and saturation values of the conversion.

Obviously if you have an HDR TV this is meaningless to you. Those of us who have SDR TVs will find it interesting. Playing with the slider did make the image brighter or darker, though without an HDR TV to compare side-by-side it's not possible for me to see which SDR setting is most "accurate" relative to an HDR image.

The Blu-ray disc playback is the fastest I have ever seen. It's The Flash in terms of perfomance. It's the Blu-ray player version of "I'm running so fast that I'm my own hype man!" You put a disc in and almost instantly it has loaded. Reportedly this player has a 10-core Mediatek SoC in it, the same one in the Oppo, which is probably why this thing runs like it's literally on fire. BD playback is otherwise what you would expect from any modern BD player, after 10 years I think any player you buy today can play back BD just fine.

I really wonder how much better the Panasonic and Oppo players can be for more than twice the price. In terms of 4K UHD BD playback, it curbstomps the Samsung UBD-K8500 into the ground, I had issues with the way the Samsung player handles HDR to SDR conversion among other things. The Philips BDP7501 that I own only cost me $96 on Black Friday so I can't help but give it a pass for being by far the slowest player by a very wide margin. I couldn't stand the sluggish bloated UI of the Bone S, plus at the time it didn't support bitstreaming of audio so it had to go back after a week. For $300, this thing is really good so far. Although I kind of hope they enable the apps soon, hopefully that happens whenever the actual street date is comes around.

Thanks for the impressions. I'm thinking I'm gonna pick this one up when it goes on sale.

 

[PsihoPerihelion]

Anyone own a KU6300

I do.