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[Mr. Wonderful]

I got my Sony UBP-X800 today. I can confirm that it is actually a 4K UHD Blu-ray player and plays back 4K discs.

I don't know what the official release date actually was but it seems that Best Buy is selling it early because the network features and apps are mostly not yet enabled. Netflix works, all other apps cannot launch. Playstation Video just gives an error saying the service is not available. There is no promised release date yet on firmware which enables the apps.

It plays back 4K discs just fine and is the fastest player I've tried between Bone S, Samsung, and Philips in terms of loading discs and navigating menus. I have not tried the Panasonic and Oppo players. Of particular interest is the fact that this is the first player which features an adjustable HDR to SDR conversion algorithm, when the movie is playing you can twiddle a slider up and down which changes the luminance and saturation values of the conversion.

Obviously if you have an HDR TV this is meaningless to you. Those of us who have SDR TVs will find it interesting. Playing with the slider did make the image brighter or darker, though without an HDR TV to compare side-by-side it's not possible for me to see which SDR setting is most "accurate" relative to an HDR image.

The Blu-ray disc playback is the fastest I have ever seen. It's The Flash in terms of perfomance. It's the Blu-ray player version of "I'm running so fast that I'm my own hype man!" You put a disc in and almost instantly it has loaded. Reportedly this player has a 10-core Mediatek SoC in it, the same one in the Oppo, which is probably why this thing runs like it's literally on fire. BD playback is otherwise what you would expect from any modern BD player, after 10 years I think any player you buy today can play back BD just fine.

I really wonder how much better the Panasonic and Oppo players can be for more than twice the price. In terms of 4K UHD BD playback, it curbstomps the Samsung UBD-K8500 into the ground, I had issues with the way the Samsung player handles HDR to SDR conversion among other things. The Philips BDP7501 that I own only cost me $96 on Black Friday so I can't help but give it a pass for being by far the slowest player by a very wide margin. I couldn't stand the sluggish bloated UI of the Bone S, plus at the time it didn't support bitstreaming of audio so it had to go back after a week. For $300, this thing is really good so far. Although I kind of hope they enable the apps soon, hopefully that happens whenever the actual street date is comes around.

Ordered mine yesterday. Only problem is I only have Arrival to watch on it until Planet Earth 2 comes out. Not enough good movies being released on disc yet. :/ Hoping to pick up most Oscar nominees in UHD Blu however. I wish Disney was supporting the format already, because I would have loved to get Moana and Rogue One in UHD.

 

[BumRush]

Ordered mine yesterday. Only problem is I only have Arrival to watch on it until Planet Earth 2 comes out. Not enough good movies being released on disc yet. :/ Hoping to pick up most Oscar nominees in UHD Blu however. I wish Disney was supporting the format already, because I would have loved to get Moana and Rogue One in UHD.

Yup, moana would look absolutely insane on UHD blu.

 

[Dave_6]

Anyone here have any recommended HDR game mode settings for the B6? I've just been using the default settings for HDR mode.

 

[Draft]

I've posted before about my TV dilemma, but I finally got my refund approved from Samsung for the faulty set (and repair) they sold me.

That said, I'm now thinking about buying either a 65" KS8000 or a 55" B6, and I need help deciding which. I sit roughly 12' away from the TV, but I think I can rearrange so I'll be more like 10' away. My arrangement just won't work any closer than that. This has me leaning towards the 65" KS8000.

I can't justify spending more than $2k on a TV, and I don't know when or if the 65" B6 will come into my price range so this also has me leaning towards the KS8000. Only this time I will buy from Best Buy rather than Samsung directly so I can just swap out a faulty set if I need to. I'm planning on making a purchase within the next two weeks and using credit card price protection, so keep that in mind as prices will likely drop over the next month or two on each of these sets.

Which do you guys recommend?

I can tell you that from 12" 65" is sneaky small. I upgraded from 46" to 65" and thought it would be massive. Not really. Don't get me wrong, 65" is a much better. I can finally read stuff in Bloodborne. I love it, but it doesn't overwhelm me the way I thought it might.

 

[tokkun]

Glad to help! It's such a good TV.

For those not recommending to use it for PC use, image retention is not permanent. I use a black screen saver and screen shift to avoid the temporary image retention when using it on Windows desktop. One thing I noticed is image retention is only slightly noticeable when using it on the highest OLED brightness with bright UI elements and even then it goes away after a minute or so.

And man, using this for Unity and 3Dsmax is absolutely amazing! Far and away way better then a multi monitor setup. And of course, 4K PC gaming.

EDIT: Those waiting for firmware updates in Europe for the B6/C6 etc, you can get the latest ones from the LG site (your region) and stick onto a USB stick. LG aren't pushing the latest updates to the TV through the TV menu for some odd reason?

Even if IR is not permanent, I still personally find it very distracting and annoying. Don't you also find the automatic backlight limiting annoying when using OLED with a PC?

 

[BumRush]

I can tell you that from 12" 65" is sneaky small. I upgraded from 46" to 65" and thought it would be massive. Not really. Don't get me wrong, 65" is a much better. I can finally read stuff in Bloodborne. I love it, but it doesn't overwhelm me the way I thought it might.

I'm sitting 12' on a 50" right now, and with 20/10 vision I legit cannot read the text in Horizon

 

[Draft]

I'm sitting 12' on a 50" right now, and with 20/10 vision I legit cannot read the text in Horizon

The great under reported plague on this generation of gaming is text that is far, FAR too tiny for screens in typical living rooms. There are several PlayStation 4 games that were practically unplayable on my 46" TV. I sit about 12 feet away. It's not a cavern. It's a normal American living room. 46" is not a tiny TV. Bloodborne was a pain. Salt and Sanctuary was even worse, and only acceptable after the patch that allowed UI scaling. Advanced Warfare had a free weekend, and I could barely read the weapon and gear descriptions.

My suspicion is these games are developed and tested by people playing at desks, or in "game rooms" with little space between the seating and the screen. If these were PC games I could read the text just fine.

Life is better with 65"

 

[ScaryShark]

Ordered mine yesterday. Only problem is I only have Arrival to watch on it until Planet Earth 2 comes out. Not enough good movies being released on disc yet. :/ Hoping to pick up most Oscar nominees in UHD Blu however. I wish Disney was supporting the format already, because I would have loved to get Moana and Rogue One in UHD.

Get The Revenant if you have HDR. Mad Max is very good on the format too.

 

[Insane Metal]

So, Samsung said 'late feb' for their Q line but no one still have gotten them? Where are the reviews? Anyone got one?

 

[Duderz]

Now I'm seeing March 12 over at AVSForum

Are there estimates to updated prices floating around?

 

[Art Vandilay]

I can tell you that from 12" 65" is sneaky small. I upgraded from 46" to 65" and thought it would be massive. Not really. Don't get me wrong, 65" is a much better. I can finally read stuff in Bloodborne. I love it, but it doesn't overwhelm me the way I thought it might.

I went from 46" to 55" and felt that was a massive upgrade. I think going to 65" will be just fine. I realize my distance isn't ideal, but I've never struggled to see or read any text. Only exception being the Witcher 3 on the 46". That text was god awful.

Are there estimates to updated prices floating around?

None that I've seen. I'm just hoping sketchy sites drop back to around 1800 and maybe we can find some reputable sellers asking 2300. That was the case a couple of weeks ago so maybe the deals will be even better.

 

[b0bbyJ03]

Anyone here have any recommended HDR game mode settings for the B6? I've just been using the default settings for HDR mode.

Most of the default settings are great. 100 OLED light, 100 contrast, ect. I'd turn the sharpness down to 0 as well as turn off the edge enhancement and most importantly change color gamut from wide to normal. HDR mode already works on a wider color gamut, all the color gamut mode does is widen the saturation of the color. Its a confusing set up.

 

[DesertFox]

Is there a TV out there that doesn't compromise on any of the following?

• 4K
• HDR Support (HDR10 preferably)
• 10bit Color Depth with DCI-P3 at or > 95% or so
• Local Dimming
• NO automatic backlight limiter
• Peak Brightness > 1000 cd/m2
• Low input lag

I'll find a set that comes so close to getting all these things right, but utterly fails one of them and ruins the whole package. Is it recommended to wait until the tech gets better in order to meet these criteria?

 

[Art Vandilay]

Is there a TV out there that doesn't compromise on any of the following?

• 4K
• HDR Support (HDR10 preferably)
• 10bit Color Depth with DCI-P3 at or > 95% or so
• Local Dimming
• NO automatic backlight limiter
• Peak Brightness > 1000 cd/m2
• Low input lag

I'll find a set that comes so close to getting all these things right, and utter fails one of them and ruins the whole package. Is it recommended to wait until the tech gets better in order to meet these criteria?

I think the Sony FALD (can't recall the model) is the only set that could check off each of these. Well that and maybe the Vizio P series.

 

[bender]

Any experience with ielectrica on ebay? They have the OLED65E6P for $2799.00. It may be time to retire my Kuro.

 

[DesertFox]

I think the Sony FALD (can't recall the model) is the only set that could check off each of these. Well that and maybe the Vizio P series.

Thanks, I'll check those models out

 

[BumRush]

The great under reported plague on this generation of gaming is text that is far, FAR too tiny for screens in typical living rooms. There are several PlayStation 4 games that were practically unplayable on my 46" TV. I sit about 12 feet away. It's not a cavern. It's a normal American living room. 46" is not a tiny TV. Bloodborne was a pain. Salt and Sanctuary was even worse, and only acceptable after the patch that allowed UI scaling. Advanced Warfare had a free weekend, and I could barely read the weapon and gear descriptions.

My suspicion is these games are developed and tested by people playing at desks, or in "game rooms" with little space between the seating and the screen. If these were PC games I could read the text just fine.

Life is better with 65"

Agreed on all counts.

 

[moltonasty]

Any experience with ielectrica on ebay? They have the OLED65E6P for $2799.00. It may be time to retire my Kuro.

oof, that's a nice price. I'm tempted but I'm gonna hold a bit longer, I think prices will drop even more once the e7 releases.

 

[MDave]

Even if IR is not permanent, I still personally find it very distracting and annoying. Don't you also find the automatic backlight limiting annoying when using OLED with a PC?

I find the IR goes away fast enough for it to not bother me.

I don't maximise my windows (unless its a game or video) and I use a solid black background. This avoids the ABL for me, but also limiting the OLED brightness or using Energy Saving mode to lower the brightness avoids the big changes in brightness when lots of white pixels are lit up. It can get ridiculously bright for me, brighter then any monitor I've used before so this is okay for me.

Using dark themes for apps/sites that have them helps too

This is my setup when I get up close to use it for my PC. Its like a 27" monitor

Then when its time to relax and play, or watch something its like this:

I feel like it really works great using a setup like this. Has all the advantages of a multi monitor setup, and all the best qualities of a big TV

 

[Theonik]

Is there a TV out there that doesn't compromise on any of the following?

• 4K
• HDR Support (HDR10 preferably)
• 10bit Color Depth with DCI-P3 at or > 95% or so
• Local Dimming
• NO automatic backlight limiter
• Peak Brightness > 1000 cd/m2
• Low input lag

I'll find a set that comes so close to getting all these things right, but utterly fails one of them and ruins the whole package. Is it recommended to wait until the tech gets better in order to meet these criteria?

Sony ZD9 or the X93/4E

 

[DesertFox]

Sony ZD9 or the X93/4E

So still pretty price prohibitive to get all the bells and whistles to get the best HDR experience. Hopefully the price will come down in the next year or so for sets that offer great HDR experiences.

Edit: Anybody with hands on with this technology, what aspects would you prioritize? Anything in this list that I can compromise on and still get a great picture that's worth upgrading from 1080p?

• 4K
• HDR Support (HDR10 preferably)
• 10bit Color Depth with DCI-P3 at or > 95% or so
• Local Dimming
• NO automatic backlight limiter
• Peak Brightness > 1000 cd/m2
• Low input lag

 

[Fakeknowledge]

nvm, done it.

 

[Dr. Kitty Muffins]

Any idea of what Samsungs Q9 pricing might be like? Does it compare well to Sony's X930E?

 

[dallow_bg]

So still pretty price prohibitive to get all the bells and whistles to get the best HDR experience. Hopefully the price will come down in the next year or so for sets that offer great HDR experiences.

If you want no compromise then you have to pay for it.

 

[DesertFox]

If you want no compromise then you have to pay for it.

Like anything else in life, right? What areas would you recommend from my list that I could compromise on and still get a great HDR experience that is worth upgrading to from 1080p?

 

[dallow_bg]

Like anything else in life, right? What areas would you recommend from my list that I could compromise on and still get a great HDR experience that is worth upgrading to from 1080p?

I'm afraid I can't help as for me the clouding on even locally dimmed LCDs bothers me.

And current OLEDs are already so bright to me that I've dimmed mine down considerably.
I can't imagine how irritating (to my eyes) a high end LCD would be. That being said, I mostly use it in a dim, to no light setting where such brightness isn't needed.

My previous plasma (VT60) didn't got nowhere near as bright as this thing can.

 

[Dominican Power]

what y'all use to clean your TVs

 

[KevinG]

Just realized that my TV stand is technically only rated to hold a 40 inch TV.

I think it's big enough for the 55" B6, but now I am second guessing how much I might need to fork out for a good and sturdy stand.

The one I currently own, and have been using since 2012: http://www.target.com/p/sauder-drawer-tv-stand-espresso-room-essentials/-/A-12185597

 

[Dave_6]

Most of the default settings are great. 100 OLED light, 100 contrast, ect. I'd turn the sharpness down to 0 as well as turn off the edge enhancement and most importantly change color gamut from wide to normal. HDR mode already works on a wider color gamut, all the color gamut mode does is widen the saturation of the color. Its a confusing set up.

Thanks, I'll change the color gamut to normal. I've already turned off everything else like EE and any post processing.

 

[Paragon]

what y'all use to clean your TVs

A damp E-Cloth glass & polishing cloth. Never leaves a mark.

 

[Pancakes R Us]

Can anyone recommend a good TV that has component and scart inputs as well as the usual HDMI? I'm keen on the LG B6 but looks like it doesn't have scart.

Ideally looking for 50/55". Would consider 45" maybe. In the UK.

Thanks.

 

[dallow_bg]

Just realized that my TV stand is technically only rated to hold a 40 inch TV.

I think it's big enough for the 55" B6, but now I am second guessing how much I might need to fork out for a good and sturdy stand.

The one I currently own, and have been using since 2012: http://www.target.com/p/sauder-drawer-tv-stand-espresso-room-essentials/-/A-12185597

Says max weight is 80lbs and the 55" B6 is well under that. Even the 65" is under that.
However it may look awkward as TV will be wider than the stand by about 4 inches each side. Not a huge deal.

 

[KevinG]

Says max weight is 80lbs and the 55" B6 is well under that. Even the 65" is under that.
However it may look awkward as TV will be wider than the stand by about 4 inches each side. Not a huge deal.

That's good to hear.

I guess TVs were a bit bulkier back when this stand was designed and manufactured.

Just don't have there funds to upgrade furniture having just spent so much on the B6.

 

[dallow_bg]

That's good to hear.

I guess TVs were a bit bulkier back when this stand was designed and manufactured.

Just don't have there funds to upgrade furniture having just spent so much on the B6.

OLEDs are very slim.
My plasma from 3 years ago was about triple the weight of my C6.

 

[Dave_6]

It's amazing how much heavier and bulkier my 60" Kuro is over the 65" B6. I had a friend help me unbox the B6 and I was scared we were going to bend it. Luckily mine is straight as an arrow.

 

[Duderz]

I'm really interested in hearing your opinions on your B6, KevinG. I don't have the funds yet to pull the trigger on this TV but hopefully before the end of the year.

 

[anddo0]

Looks like we could be getting a price on Sony's OLED on Match 15th; according to an email blast they just sent out "This is gonna change things"..

 

[simtmb]

Any uniformity test slides etc for OLEDs out there?
Wanted to have a quick look over of my C6

 

[Kyoufu]

Any uniformity test slides etc for OLEDs out there?
Wanted to have a quick look over of my C6

Don't do it tbh.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

So still pretty price prohibitive to get all the bells and whistles to get the best HDR experience. Hopefully the price will come down in the next year or so for sets that offer great HDR experiences.

Edit: Anybody with hands on with this technology, what aspects would you prioritize? Anything in this list that I can compromise on and still get a great picture that's worth upgrading from 1080p?

• 4K
• HDR Support (HDR10 preferably)
• 10bit Color Depth with DCI-P3 at or > 95% or so
• Local Dimming
• NO automatic backlight limiter
• Peak Brightness > 1000 cd/m2
• Low input lag

There isn't a compromise that you're looking for since so many of those are inter-related. What you're probably looking for is a nice edge-lit HDR LED in 2017, and then a fantastic HDR set in a few years once things are cheaper and the technology is more mature. Alternatively, you can hold out for a deal on a nice 2017 set.

 

[Dr. Kitty Muffins]

I'm looking for a nice 49 to 55 inch TV. I think the Q9's dont come that small. So I'm interested either a Q7 or Sony 930E at this point unless Vizio has something nice. Would the Sony outclass a Q7 or should I just wait? I've got a tax return and a vacation coming up next week.

 

[NeoBob688]

I have a Samsung UN60EH6003F. Recently playing Horizon on it.

I have two issues.

1) Artificating around moving objects. Seemingly fixed by selecting Auto Motion Plus "Clear".

2) Weird contrast changes when I move the camera. For example, snowy foilage will go from white when not moving the camera to darker while moving. Very distracting. I already turned off dynamic contrast, motion lighting, motion plus, digital noise filter. No luck. It seems less bad in Movie mode.

Any idea on how to fix #2?

 

[Oozer3993]

Yup, moana would look absolutely insane on UHD blu.

Would it ever. I want a UHD Moana disc so bad.

Any experience with ielectrica on ebay? They have the OLED65E6P for $2799.00. It may be time to retire my Kuro.

I bought an OLED55C6P from them a couple weeks ago. It's magnificent.

 

[lowhighkang_LHK]

Is there a TV out there that doesn't compromise on any of the following?

• 4K
• HDR Support (HDR10 preferably)
• 10bit Color Depth with DCI-P3 at or > 95% or so
• Local Dimming
• NO automatic backlight limiter
• Peak Brightness > 1000 cd/m2
• Low input lag

I'll find a set that comes so close to getting all these things right, but utterly fails one of them and ruins the whole package. Is it recommended to wait until the tech gets better in order to meet these criteria?

People always forget pixel response times. Which is also important for a gaming TV, unless you like colors smearing and streaking because the pixel color can't change fast enough as you pan the camera around... In anycase though OLED's are the only TV tech to have instant PRT's so, we're good on that end. (well plasma and CRT's had instant PRTs but that tech is phased out)

 

[vpance]

I'm looking for a nice 49 to 55 inch TV. I think the Q9's dont come that small. So I'm interested either a Q7 or Sony 930E at this point unless Vizio has something nice. Would the Sony outclass a Q7 or should I just wait? I've got a tax return and a vacation coming up next week.

The only thing the Qs will really have Sony beat are on viewing angle, and maybe peak nits. I think Samsung cheaped out on the SoC again. It's basically the same as last years from what I read.

 

[DesertFox]

There isn't a compromise that you're looking for since so many of those are inter-related. What you're probably looking for is a nice edge-lit HDR LED in 2017, and then a fantastic HDR set in a few years once things are cheaper and the technology is more mature. Alternatively, you can hold out for a deal on a nice 2017 set.

When do 2017 models come out?

People always forget pixel response times. Which is also important for a gaming TV, unless you like colors smearing and streaking because the pixel color can't change fast enough as you pan the camera around... In anycase though OLED's are the only TV tech to have instant PRT's so, we're good on that end. (well plasma and CRT's had instant PRTs but that tech is phased out)

That's a great point, hadn't really thought about that. Is LCD typically the worst for response time?

 

[Dr. Kitty Muffins]

The only thing the Qs will really have Sony beat are on viewing angle, and maybe peak nits. I think Samsung cheaped out on the SoC again. It's basically the same as last years from what I read.

What about prices? If I can get a Q7 55 inch for less than a 930E then I'm likely in unless Sony is somehow the better gaming TV. I want a less blurry image as I'm running around swerving the camera.

 

[holygeesus]

Sony ZD9 or the X93/4E

You are still prone to DSE and blooming with those sets. No display is perfect.

 

[J-Rzez]

Is there a TV out there that doesn't compromise on any of the following?

• 4K
• HDR Support (HDR10 preferably)
• 10bit Color Depth with DCI-P3 at or > 95% or so
• Local Dimming
• NO automatic backlight limiter
• Peak Brightness > 1000 cd/m2
• Low input lag

I'll find a set that comes so close to getting all these things right, but utterly fails one of them and ruins the whole package. Is it recommended to wait until the tech gets better in order to meet these criteria?

Your criteria is unreasonable at best. We all would love the perfect tv, for $1500, but that's not going to happen. And you know what, the tech ball will forever continue rolling and you'll adapt those into your demands thus continuing the cycle.

Only the OLEDs and the Sony Z9 come close to your list. And you have to pay to play. The mid-range 2017 sets like your 8-series (Q7/8) and 900-930Es will fail too many of those as well, as they are ultimately edge lit.

So, narrow your expectations from absolute perfection and buy an OLED.

 

[Poster#1]

guys i need your help picking an OLED tv. What's are the best ones from LG? It will be mainly for gaming and media.