PdotMichael
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I dunno. PS4 appears to be better in that Japanese third party business right now.
Nintendo somehow failed to get a good first year launch up from anywhere.
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Kinda crazy that Switch didn't get any major AAA third parties for launch........
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I dunno. PS4 appears to be better in that Japanese third party business right now.
Nintendo somehow failed to get a good first year launch up from anywhere.
AquaWateria
Member
If any third party game had released during launch it would of been slaughtered by Zelda lol.
Like why buy a shitty port when you can play game of the generation.
Like why buy a shitty port when you can play game of the generation.
This as well.
There is a reason why Minecraft, Fifa, NBA2/, Skyrim, CoD and Co. won't hit Switch before the fall/holiday reason.
PdotMichael
Banned
A launch with a ratio of 1 game is pretty shitty. The launch is a the perfect time for "shitty ports" to get some good sales.
ShadowFox08
Member
To be fair, Nintendo doesn't have nearly as much 3rd party support as Sony.. And they released their console in March. Come November, we'll see how much third support they'll have. I would honestly be more surprised than not if we don't get CoD and Assassins Creed.
MAtgS
Member
And they all bombed.
Uh For Honor, Resident evil seven, ghost recon, and Mass effect are major releases with no switch versions.
wii u launch?
Major third parties are not coming back. It shouldn't really be a surprise.
Their games bombed on the Wii U. They also released shitty ports missing features for full price so pissed of consumers.
No one, except a small number of Nintendo console only owning people will buy these games. Everyone else will get it on other consoles or PC due to better graphics, performance and not getting ripped off.
Their games bombed on the Wii U. They also released shitty ports missing features for full price so pissed of consumers.
No one, except a small number of Nintendo console only owning people will buy these games. Everyone else will get it on other consoles or PC due to better graphics, performance and not getting ripped off.
AquaWateria
Member
Like I said those shitty ports wouldn't sell because Zelda would cannibalize them.
I agree it's odd that big 3rd parties haven't ported last years big games for a portable option. COD, Titanfall, Overwatch etc I reckon would have at least made their money back as I believe Switch is relatively easy to port to.
Maybe they didn't get their Dev kits in time or maybe there's just a reluctance to put those sorts of games on Nintendo platforms due to low sales.
Maybe they didn't get their Dev kits in time or maybe there's just a reluctance to put those sorts of games on Nintendo platforms due to low sales.
ArcaneFreeze
Member
Launching in March probably had something to do with it too. There's not really many big third party games that launch around this time. Most games this past month or two have been first party. If it got any third party games they'd all be late ports and we all saw how that worked out on the WiiU. If they do get any third party parity I wouldn't expect it til fall which is when most third parties release their big hitters.
zenspider
Member
This. 3rd parties are wise to give to give Zelda a wide berth. It's bad timing and gives bad data regarding the actual market for those games.
Plus whatever would have been ready would've likely been a repeat of the embarrassingly outdated Wii U 3rd party support at launch. Having something relevant by Holiday 17 is the smart move.
PdotMichael
Banned
So people wouldn't buy a single game outside of Zelda? Neither FIFA, CoD nor anything else?
Nah, something like FIFA would sell.
Zelda is big but it's only one game and Zelda isn't that big a franchise.
This may seem crazy but it is not unusual to see people buy more then one game at launch. and normally pubs like to capitalize on launches. They face the many ere not even making the effort is not a good sign.
Jaded Alyx
Member
I don't think a 6 month old version of FIFA would sell all that well honestly.
Megatron
Member
Definitely true. But the PS4 is heading for its fourth year. It didn't have that Japanese support on day one either.
I wouldn't have bought either of those. If sky rim had been a launch title... maybe. But really, I would probably rather finish Zelda.
The switch is competing with the current PS4 not the one at launch.
killatopak
Gold Member
I think Knack, Yakuza and Dynasty Warriors was up there at launch.
Megatron
Member
No system can compete with the library of a four year old system on its first day. That's lunacy.
Knack is first party. Dynasty warriors, probably, though it's like the least of Japanese franchises to me. Yakuza, I didn't think had a PS4 entry until 0?
Well it's Nintendos problem for fucking up with the WiiU and being forced to release with two established platforms that are not ending for a while.
Jaded Alyx
Member
The PS4 spent the majority of it's life with hardly any games that appeal to the Japanese audience. That was the major criticism against it in Japan.
I don't get it either. Can we at least give it a year and see where things are?
It would sell. Not as much as on PS4 or Xbox one obviously, but it's not something that would be stuck on shelves either. Especially considering the rest of the launch lineup.
Of course, the new release (if it even comes) will do even better.
My point was more: Zelda isn't the reason FIFA or COD isn't on switch. There's more than enough room for other games during this launch.
killatopak
Gold Member
PdotMichael
Banned
That lineup just didn't appear out of nowhere. We knew from the first day that pretty much all bigger franchises (and the not so big ones) will hit the PS4.
Switch is lacking that right now.
dead souls
Member
Yep. It's totally fair to compare the Switch launch library to the current PS4 library because ultimately that's what customers trying to decide which one to buy will do. I love Nintendo, but the PS4 release list for even just the first half of this year is ridiculously good.
Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
Didn't most of the third party Wii U launch games do poorly? I remember Ubi saying Zombi U bombed, even though it got good coverage. I think there's such a thing as having too many games for launch. Switch could definitely use a few more though.
Jaded Alyx
Member
I guess I just don't see why EA would bother instead of putting all attention into making a good version of FIFA 18, which would release 5-6 months after...
Similarly, why would I pay full price for a 6 month old version of FIFA when it can likely be bought for half that on other platforms if I decided to actually buy it..especially knowing the new release in the series is just half a year away.
killatopak
Gold Member
Fallout 4 on switch would be nice. I hope skyrim does well and justify that port even if late.
That's the way it works. The Switch is competing against the PS4 even though the PS4 has been out for a little bit over 3 years.
When the PS3 came out it's launch library was compared to the Xbox 360's (which had a sizable lead time) and it was largely trashed.
When the PS5 comes out it's launch library will be compared to the Switch regardless of how many years it's been out and the Xbox Two (or XTune if you want to call it by it's nickname) if it's out by that point.
Entirely depends on if it's the Skyrim special edition or vanilla Skyrim coming to the Switch. If it's the SE, then FO4 is possible. If it's vanilla then no chance.
Damn. Borderlands 2 would have probably ran well on the hardware, too.
Sure.
We'll do that a year from now. In the meantime we'll compare what's actually out and coming in the near future.
Yes. console holders used to release their systems within close proximity to their competitors because of this but those rules have been thrown out the window,
PdotMichael
Banned
Also when the PS4 was released in Japan, the devs and publishers were still in the middle of PS3/VITA development cycle, everyone has a hard childhood but Sony appears to made a better job of getting a reasonable support out of Japanese devs.
No... NO! This insular thinking is toxic, Zelda could be the greatest game ever made, but it's not a stealth game, it's not a racing game, it's not a multiplayer/party game, or a survival horror it's one game in one genre that appeals to fans of that one genre, and those third party games didn't fare any better during a period Nintendo released bugger all on the WiiU, and "shitty port" isn't an absolute excuse for how anemic 3rd party sales were, PS3 and Xbox 360 had their fair share of shitty ports at their respective launch windows and they still sold in the hundreds of thousands at least.
It's like saying other games shouldn't have released at launch with COD on the PS4 and Xbox One because it will munch out any other game, it is possible someone can go into a store and buy 2 games for the Switch instead of 1.
Compared to the WiiU the lineup seems much worse. Ok we get Zelda, but it's one (incredible) game and the rest is meh.
I believe during the Christmas holidays it will be the best period to get the Switch, it will probably have built a decent library until then to make it worth picking up. I hope E3 brings back some hope for the system, because so far i'm disappointed.
I believe during the Christmas holidays it will be the best period to get the Switch, it will probably have built a decent library until then to make it worth picking up. I hope E3 brings back some hope for the system, because so far i'm disappointed.
The list looks only good on paper, in reality most of those games have been sold at a cheaper price with more features on the other consoles due having been released weeks/months before on PS360.
It was not a great Launch
I mean by now it's fairly evident you'd only buy Nintendo hardware because there's no other way to get Nintendo software. They've been offering subpar multi platform versions of third party games for what, a decade now?
Even if this kind of game were on the Switch, they'd be the significantly inferior versions in every way other than, I suppose, portability.
Even if this kind of game were on the Switch, they'd be the significantly inferior versions in every way other than, I suppose, portability.
I know some people hate hearing it, but it's reality. The Switch, which I own and love and waited in line for 15 hours to get, is not going to get AAA multiplats often. If it's a big sales success it will get some, but if you really thrive on those types of games, then it's worth owning other more powerful maisnstream systems as well.
PS4 just started gaining tractions in Japan but that's not really in the same market as the Switch. People there (also in Asia as a whole) has greater demands playing games on the go.
At least for me it is a glorified Vita with bonus Vita TV function. Japanese third party games will come at the end of this year given that DevKits are not handed to most devs until late last year.
ShadowFox08
Member
Zelda would not cannibalize third party games at launch, not with switch's current line up. They're supplementing it.. if there was a big 3rd party game or two released on friday, it would have have been in the 3rd party's favor. and Nintendo's to maximize sales to justify people's purchases for the switch on day one other than Zelda..I would say the major threat to third party games at launch are other third party games. If the third party games are inferior to nintendo vs other console brands, that would drive down sales also.
In contrast, the Wii U came out with 23 games with vast majority being 3rd party games--quality 3rd party games mind you..! But they had to compete with each other for market sales. Zombi U, Batman, Call of Duty, Assassins Creed III, Darksiders II, Rayman Legends, Tekken Tag Tournament 2, Mass Effect 3, Ninja Gaiden 3, Sonic All Stars Racing, Rabbids Land. That is a SHIT TON of third party games, and they all have to compete with each other. They're not competing with Super Mario Bros U. It's crazy to think about.. But the Wii U really had the best quality games of any console. Ever. But it was too many games.. And the 3rd party games all had to compete with one another.
anyway Nintendo isn't in the best of positions, because they have a lot to prove to 3rd party devs.. And the major thing is sales. They need the core fan base to buy their third party games. Especially the AAA multi platforms, if they want to succeed.
ShadowFox08
Member
Too many qualirty third party games competing with each other, totally cannibalizing sales. That was actually ironically one of Wii U's fatal mistakes at launch. Having too many good games at launch.
Others being advertisement issues(people unsure that it was a true successor to the wii), high starting price point, and a few other things.
Megatron
Member
I was responding to a post about Japanese support. The PS4 didn't have good Japanese support for its first year or so.
Western support will not be coming to the Switch in any meaningful way.
That's a very good selling point though, imagine your FFXV's, your Nier's, Devil May Cry's, Doom's and Fallout's on the go, it would tap into at the least their 3DS userbase of 60m(?). And they get to play the most recent games to.
As a WiiU owner I'm not really happy they stopped supporting it so quickly.
That aside it's an interesting strategy to release it the way they did. They get to built to the holiday season and they have the launch window largely to themselves aside from a couple of high profile/scoring games.