Yup that's the thing i don't understand. The switch seems like it will be a great system but it has some big issues. I want it to succeed but these problems ideally will be fixed.
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Here are some issues I have with the Switch launch for us to politely discuss
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MatrixMan.EXE
Member
Yup. It's been like this since the event in January though. The Zelda metacritic has only emboldened them too lol
No you can't unless you live in a 1-room appartment, and even then.
TheSpoiler
Member
The console has issues but I wouldn't call it a failure. That's way too soon.
Randall365
Member
It is annoying, as I bought some fancy bluetooth headphones when the latest iphone came out (sony mdr 1000x) and then found that they do not work with the sony tv or ps4 pro!
One of the issues seems to be that bt headphones use different codecs and so you may find that one set have lag and others don't. Sony just decided not to let you use them.
Funnily enough the £330 headphones had to be sanded (!) to get rid of an annoying creaking sound - what with that and having to put a tea towel under my ps4 pro to stop the fam vibration making a loud humming sound (and this dock issue with the switch), I just think that nobody bothers to test modern technology properly before release anymore.
You're making no sense, the PS3 was a complete failure by Sony, and most people will tell yoi that, same as the 3ds was a failure for Nintendo, or how fucking IPhone 8 would be a failure for Apple if it sold half what 7 sold, despite still selling million upon, or if Avengers 3 sudenly made half the box office of Avengers 2, etc, etc, etc.
Squarehard
Member
I think what's putting most people off is the title of this thread.
As a result, we are now discussing the failures, rather than the faults of its release.
As a result, we are now discussing the failures, rather than the faults of its release.
The only real failure, and is more of a missed opportunity, is launch a tablet without any real tablet functionality. I mean, what the fuck. The Switch could've easily acted as a tablet replacement for many people, making it more palatable to being carried around outside your house.
How are they not? Sony, Microsoft and Steam have them. It's been part of the industry for over a decade. It's standard. It's expected.
How are they not? Sony, Microsoft and Steam have them. It's been part of the industry for over a decade. It's standard. It's expected.
The Dear Leader
Banned
I'm really liking mine so far, it's not without it's problems but I'm finding it to be really impressive in a lot of ways. Zelda's great, the build quality feels great (on my unit, even though I've heard mixed things from others) and the overall experience has been really snappy and smooth in terms of interface and ease of use. I wish there where more games that I cared for and the some the accessories are priced far too high though.
Tarextherex
Banned
The post I quoted implied that Switch was a success due to off-TV play, not portable play
Of course if you don't have one there is no reason to buy one now but when Switch has almost nothing over the freaking Wii U so far aside from good marketing it's kind of lame
WordsintheWater
Member
Can't disagree with anything in the OP, really like the system, but those disappointments are echoed by me as well.
Mammoth Jones
Member
From everything I've read it's saved to the internal storage of the unit.
Cloud saves have been the best thing to happen for gaming for me. Saved me so many headaches.
Exactly. I can be patient but I also don't mind Nintendo catching some heat for some of these issues. They need to do better.
I never called the system a failure. I brought up quite a few points where and how they failed in regards to that specific critique.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Until the entire world agrees with him or realizes how stupid we are for disagreeing.
Yep, so managing to sell millions of units despite harsher concurrence and new era of mobile gaming is bad, because you're not selling the exact same amounts as before. Context is for losers ! All I want to look at is dem numberz and if they're the same.
I definitely wouldn't jump to calling it a failure but it does feel like the Switch was rushed out before the end of the fiscal year, because it was.
At the moment, the system is missing a bunch of features that should have been available, if I had bought the system at launch I would have regretted not waiting for the revision, like I did when I bought the 3DS at launch.
Too me, the biggest failure here is the launch lineup, the only compelling/high value title is Zelda and it's not even exclusive. 1, 2, Switch is comparable to Wii Sports in terms of value, except it doesn't seem as entertaining and they're charging 60$ for it instead of including it in every console purchase WTF.
At the moment, the system is missing a bunch of features that should have been available, if I had bought the system at launch I would have regretted not waiting for the revision, like I did when I bought the 3DS at launch.
Too me, the biggest failure here is the launch lineup, the only compelling/high value title is Zelda and it's not even exclusive. 1, 2, Switch is comparable to Wii Sports in terms of value, except it doesn't seem as entertaining and they're charging 60$ for it instead of including it in every console purchase WTF.
This is my original point about the Switch being a master of none. Instead of excelling at anything, it's an amalgamation of half-baked features out of the box.
LordRaptor
Member
Steam doesn't, Android doesn't, IOS doesn't, Origin doesn't, UPlay doesn't, GOG doesn't, Humble Doesn't, Blizzard.net doesn't.
MS and Sony do. That's literally it. That's not an industry standard.
Seems like a rocky and rushed launch. If they can bring the price down in a revision, I think Switch can be successful as a portable. As a console, it will always have major shortcomings compared to what the rest of the industry offers.
You bumped the thread. Take the thread-whining elsewhere if you don't want to discuss the topic.
You bumped the thread. Take the thread-whining elsewhere if you don't want to discuss the topic.
V
Vilix
Unconfirmed Member
I agree with the OP. The Switch seems to be developed as a stop gap measure at best.
It is not that we're not aware of the issues, it's that threads like this pop up all the time, even positive news threads become shit because a few people start screaming shit at everyone.
It's not that we don't know, it's just that this has been repeated to nauseum, here, there, that thread, that other thread, and you act like you just discovered all this issues when they are screamed to our faces constantly, and still you want to be taken seriously? Pls.
Yeah, the system has many issues, don't buy it, there are 2 other consoles with amazing libraries for you to explore.
It's not that we don't know, it's just that this has been repeated to nauseum, here, there, that thread, that other thread, and you act like you just discovered all this issues when they are screamed to our faces constantly, and still you want to be taken seriously? Pls.
Yeah, the system has many issues, don't buy it, there are 2 other consoles with amazing libraries for you to explore.
Chmpocalypse
Blizzard
The save data one is perhaps the most egregious. How the fuck they thought this was acceptable is beyond me.
FrontalMonk
Banned
Yeah, uh. I feel like there's a fundamental disconnect with what the thread title is and how I'm interpreting it. It's "discuss how Nintendo failed", and people keep thinking of it in terms of "Nintendo shot themselves in the foot, I'm an expert" instead of "Nintendo failed us as customers and should do better".
I didn't pick up a switch, but one of the reasons I didn't is because I was worried about the initial build quality, and also because of the launch selection. Like, other than Zelda I didn't see anything I wanted.
That's absolutely not my point at all, and I don't see how you can reach it from my post.
They're are in a vacuum where they can't see where the market is moving? Being able to be successful takes many things, one of them is to predict where the market will move next. Nintendo bet strong on glassless 3D and the market didn't care as they thought it would, it was a failure, end of story.
Do you need a better proof than a 4 months in 80$ price cut?
Also, funny you bringing that numbers tell the whole story when you were the first one to present 60M units as a proof of success without context.
I made a similar thread once and it was locked for...
The system is now out and there were quite a few new things that have come up since then which are now mentioned. Like someone else said above, the more vocal people are about things like this, the faster a company responds, if they even respond at all. Should we ignore these glaring issues and let Nintendo keep repeating these mistakes because we're all happy and the Switch is perfect?
Flying Toaster
Member
After 24 hpurs with my system I love it. That said there are some glaring issues and it came out half baked.
Still glad I am a day one adopter but the system has flaws.
Still glad I am a day one adopter but the system has flaws.
I have a WiiU and the Switch is already better hardware execution and concept. The first time I walked five feet from my Wii U base and it turned off I literally laughed in astonishment.
It's pretty obvious to me that the WiiU was intended to be the Switch in the first place. And had to be compromised. My guess is that it was rushed to market to take advantage of whatever goodwill the Wii still had, and the Switch was an evolution that was demanded by shareholders.
However, if this thing doesn't work as a hybrid in the longrun then I won't personally know what to make of it. My dock is installed in the big TV/Gaming room, but I'm not sure I'll really use it except for Mario Kart with my daughter. That in itself is interesting because a huge number of gafers are doing the opposite. Maybe that's a good thing?
I've experienced many of the OP issues already and none of them are dealbreakers yet, but it's death by 1000 cuts, right?
The two biggest surprises to me were the reedy speaker quality and the utter lack of content on the eShop. I don't just mean games, I mean demos and so on. Like, why can't I try the ice cube thingy? Or watch a preview movie of Mario Kart?
I argued this thing was late rather than rushed a few days ago, but now I'm not so sure.
Nothing is wrong with the console as far as I am concerned really.
Wii U was such a piece of shit which really surprised me.
Hooking the machine to a TV is so damn easy, everything is so sleek and simple and changing TV mode to portable mode is seamless. Updates are handled fast and man, there hasn't been a system I am happy with from Nintendo since DS Lite before this.
Wii U was such a piece of shit which really surprised me.
Hooking the machine to a TV is so damn easy, everything is so sleek and simple and changing TV mode to portable mode is seamless. Updates are handled fast and man, there hasn't been a system I am happy with from Nintendo since DS Lite before this.
Hoho for breakfast
Member
It's easy to look at it that way but it in itself is not fun. It's terrible. If people like OP aren't raising and talking about the issues it has though why would Nintendo ever fix it? The more criticism they get for the faults, the less consoles they sell, the more pressure they feel, the quicker things get fixed and this console can possibly succeed.
If the Switch were to stay like it is I personally don't feel there's any way in hell it will do well long term, and I don't want that. I want to buy it at some point and I want it to have a big library of great games to play.
The "fun" comes in when you have obvious issues and no matter what it is there are people who love Nintendo or just bought a Switch and are content and they see this stuff and so they jump to defend it no matter how valid the complaints. Both sides of the argument get mad at each other and say some silly shit, which can be pretty entertaining.
xxbrothawizxx63
Member
Maybe because a lot of the news that comes out is actually negative...
Are there some that have a particular hate? Sure.
For the most part though, the reaction in threads has been overwhelmimgly negative because people have high expectations in 2017 and Nintendo has consistently missed that bar in everything but the hardware itself as a handheld. Most people aren't satisfied with "maybe we'll implement it at a later date" or features that many consider standard being absent.
What's not to understand? People recently shelled out $400~ or more (depending on how many games and accessories they got) on a console launch, after hyping themselves up for ages. Several of them are going to defend their brand new shiny purchase to the teeth, no matter if the OP has or doesn't have any valid points. And most of those were already known, a lot of people simply didn't care.
Already saying that Nintendo has failed with the Switch is teensy bit inflammatory though, let's be honest. More like they dropped the ball in some aspects.
"Pro controller is better," "simple games."
Caveats. Asterisks. Qualifiers.
Either have local multiplayer be a thing out of the box or don't. Sometimes and concessions don't cut it.
Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule
Member
It seems like we care about completely different things OP.
Everything is a huge inprovement over WiiU even at launch. The OS is fantastic. Everything is super fast. It can only get better from here.
I also like the idea of a smart phone online app. It will force everyone to download the app so that everyone has a common platform to work with. Im excited for the possibilities.
Everything has been positive so far for me. That said, I do expect improvements to come in the future and I do expect everything the oP mentioned to be implemented at some point. I think Nintendo needs to catch up a lot so I give them the benefit of the doubt.
I also like the idea of a smart phone online app. It will force everyone to download the app so that everyone has a common platform to work with. Im excited for the possibilities.
Everything has been positive so far for me. That said, I do expect improvements to come in the future and I do expect everything the oP mentioned to be implemented at some point. I think Nintendo needs to catch up a lot so I give them the benefit of the doubt.
I agree with your points but there's definitely a MK8 trailer on there, I just watched it this morning
That shit is archaic as fuck. A giant leap backwards from their previous iteration which already had an archaic means to backup/transfer.
How is that any different from having it baked in the console?
You can play multiplayer out of the box. What's the deal ? Games we know about can be played locally for vast majority of them, and it will still be in the future.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Console needed to be a home run to prove to the market why this company "should" still make hardware and it's just not. It's just not.
Despite having years of gargantuan lead time since they'd clearly given up on the WiiU, this console still feels like it was put together like some last minute homework. As someone that had been saying Nintendo should have made a hybrid all along, them doing so but fumbling the pitch is just very frustrating to watch. That they're trying to pitch the thing primarily as a home console that you can "oh also take out I guess?" just shows what a mad un-reality bubble it must be over there.
One or two of the things clear issues could be chalked up to typical launch stuff that most consoles go through, but the whole bag of them together just paints a picture of a company that can't even keep up with the low bar they've set for themselves.
Despite having years of gargantuan lead time since they'd clearly given up on the WiiU, this console still feels like it was put together like some last minute homework. As someone that had been saying Nintendo should have made a hybrid all along, them doing so but fumbling the pitch is just very frustrating to watch. That they're trying to pitch the thing primarily as a home console that you can "oh also take out I guess?" just shows what a mad un-reality bubble it must be over there.
One or two of the things clear issues could be chalked up to typical launch stuff that most consoles go through, but the whole bag of them together just paints a picture of a company that can't even keep up with the low bar they've set for themselves.
All I saw was screenshots. Maybe there's one that I have to select? I didn't see any film reel sprockets or anything. I'm a go look again.
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Bigass play button.
However this does mean there's a video player built in. Why not let me use it, Nintendo? I have a 128gig SD card and a fast wifi connection.
Netflix at least better get here soon. This was intended to be my "vacation tablet."
I'm my opinion, threads like this are excellent for ALL new console releases. Bringing issues to light is the only way to get things fixed via firmware and revisions. Not really sure why people are resorting to childish "show us on the doll where Reggie touched you"-esque tactics. Seems very immature.
elrechazado
Banned
You know what forces everyone to have a common platform? People buying the console.
Uh, no ?