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Here are some issues I have with the Switch launch for us to politely discuss
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RocknRola
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Ah. Roger that, missed the mandatory part.
In Steam's case, I don't think anything other than the current method could have been accomplished in any case. They have an insane number of games, they all exist in a continuum (no Steam 1 games; Steam 2 games; etc) with some of them being very old too. To force devs to go back to add achievements for every single title would be a non-starter.
I suppose with the Switch being a new-gen (yay, 1st 9th gen console!) I'm guessing the achievement crowd felt it was the right time to make it mandatory.
Worse than that, people posting comments about Reggie touching OP inappropriately and OP's mom not giving OP money to buy a Switch...disgusting.
As I said in a previous post, bringing issues to light is the ONLY way Nintendo will fix things. Not sure why people don't see that.
Askherserenity
Member
I'm not defending anyone. I didn't even buy a Switch.
Doesn't mean I can't tell when people just want to shit on something because console warz (not talking about OP here).
What are you talking about?
Steam has achievements. Origin has achievements. Android has a game app and has achievements for games with that. Uplay has achievements. Battle.net has achievements. GOG Galaxy has achievements. Humble is a store so why would it have achievements? The only one on your list that may not have achievements (and I don't know since I don't own anything on that platform) is iOS.
If you don't know if a platform has achievements or not you probably shouldn't make a post saying it doesn't have achievements.
Maybe you, and other people in this thread should actually address the OPs points instead of saying "Zelda is great". This thread isn't about how great Zelda is.
Burgess_101
Member
I haven't had the chance to really play with my switch yet but I know straight off that my biggest issue is the joycons in their grip is just not viable, it's not wide enough.
I don't really fancy spending £65 for a controller after I just spent £320 for the switch and Zelda. Hopefully my wife's hands are small enough to play Zelda comfortably with it because it's a no go for me.
I don't really fancy spending £65 for a controller after I just spent £320 for the switch and Zelda. Hopefully my wife's hands are small enough to play Zelda comfortably with it because it's a no go for me.
Pankratous
Member
Pretty much agree with you completely OP. I feel like the console launching with one great game, combined with people's hope of Nintendo's true return is blinding people.
It's been a horrendous launch from a hardware and software perspective.
It's been a horrendous launch from a hardware and software perspective.
LordRaptor
Member
Given progression in The Binding Of Isaac is almost entirely achievement based and I highly doubt that they are reworking the entire game from scratch just for the Switch - yes, apparently they do allow achievements.
They just don't do it in the way that the OP demands.
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IOS has gamecentre and Android has Google Play Services.
Literally no platform except Xbox and Playstation have mandatory achievements.
Probably easier to read what someone has actually said before talking about how people should post.
NoHeDidn't
Member
The WiiU was also attracting and compelling at launch and it sold out too.
Can we talk about how dafuq consumers are ok with a 25gb hardrive? Its outrageous to me.Oh then they piss on you forcing you to buy a SD card and fans call it rain cause we get to upgrade storage cheap.OP has great points no ingame vc,no mic included,tiny harddrive,save issues Nintendo literally saved millions and passed the costs to the consumer.
mindatlarge
Member
While I'm enjoying my time with the Switch, that's mostly because of BotW. The technical issues, the dock potentially scratching the screen, being the biggest one for me, are starting to mount to the point of regretting my purchase. Knowing I could have just bought BotW on Wii U and saved my money until a later date when maybe some of these issues have been sorted out and there's more reason to own one from a gaming library standpoint. I would be pretty happy if the system wasn't shipped with it's current flaws. So, I guess I am somewhat bitter at the moment as well.
It's just irritating, like the OP pointed out, how Nintendo continues to extend their history of oversights, omissions and hardware flaws with the Switch. But that's the price you pay buying any system at launch, I suppose.
It's just irritating, like the OP pointed out, how Nintendo continues to extend their history of oversights, omissions and hardware flaws with the Switch. But that's the price you pay buying any system at launch, I suppose.
7DollarHagane
Banned
I wish everybody who was so concerned about the switch launch would be as honest as this. There's nothing wrong with having this opinion.
My thoughts as well. Additionally I will say OP could have picked a better title but at the same time the responses to "look at all these reported problems" being "I like it" and ad hominem attacks is ridiculous.
Sword Of Doom
Member
the reveal video got me hyped for a hybrid console and it made me think that Nintendo finally gets it. But then the conference happened and their emphasis on joycons and drinking games basically killed all the hype for me. To some the device is versatile, but to me it's unfocused.
I'm still debating getting one next week cause I like the hybrid nature of it but then I think about how it doesn't have a dpad and it's super silly. I use the dpad on my vita all the time and if the switch is going to be a handheld not having a dpad is not good.
I'm still debating getting one next week cause I like the hybrid nature of it but then I think about how it doesn't have a dpad and it's super silly. I use the dpad on my vita all the time and if the switch is going to be a handheld not having a dpad is not good.
So you Have experienced something like this in your last 30 years of gaming
That says something that Switch performs this function well and better than previous iterations, but it's not a revolutionary function to me because of those others. This thing will live and die based off the games coming out for it....which isn't looking so great for the rest of the year.
xxbrothawizxx63
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This has been my hope since Nintendo opened the floodgates with the 3DS, but the hardware was too prohibitive. This time around they have hardware that most mobile developers will be more familiar with. They should definitely encourage studios that release quality mobike titles to port those experiences to the Switch. I think the concept of having those experiences on a handheld with buttons and even better visuals would be appealing.
There are definitely flaws, but I think it does a lot more right than it does wrong.
The accessories are definitely overpriced and I think the complaints about them are 100% valid. I'm lucky to have not had the left joycon issue (yet), but the fact that it exists is a pretty big deal. The stories of the dock scratching the screen have led to me buying a screen protector to be safe, which I haven't done in like a decade.
But despite all that I'm pretty satisfied for the time being. It is absolutely the slickest hardware Nintendo has made, and a huge step up from Wii u (and I liked the Wii u). As someone who commutes by train for two hours each day, I'm excited to have a new Nintendo portable that doesn't have a resolution of 240p. As long as Nintendo keeps making games for the thing, I'll keep using it.
The accessories are definitely overpriced and I think the complaints about them are 100% valid. I'm lucky to have not had the left joycon issue (yet), but the fact that it exists is a pretty big deal. The stories of the dock scratching the screen have led to me buying a screen protector to be safe, which I haven't done in like a decade.
But despite all that I'm pretty satisfied for the time being. It is absolutely the slickest hardware Nintendo has made, and a huge step up from Wii u (and I liked the Wii u). As someone who commutes by train for two hours each day, I'm excited to have a new Nintendo portable that doesn't have a resolution of 240p. As long as Nintendo keeps making games for the thing, I'll keep using it.
Tragicomedy
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I don't own a Switch for all the reasons stated in the OP. It might do gangbusters, but Nintendo needs to correct a lot of stuff to sell me on the value. Some of this is just mind-boggling.
The dock SCRATCHES the screen? The flagship game stutters down to 20 FPS at 900p? Is this real life?
The best case scenario for me is a price cut and to view this as solid portable device with poor battery life. I hope it ends up better, but I'm not seeing it.
The dock SCRATCHES the screen? The flagship game stutters down to 20 FPS at 900p? Is this real life?
The best case scenario for me is a price cut and to view this as solid portable device with poor battery life. I hope it ends up better, but I'm not seeing it.
They're not system-wide achievements, are they? The Isaac devs implemented their own, they built them right into the game. Nintendo doesn't offer an option. They offer nothing.
Bamboo 竹
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TBH eventhough I think that Nintendo advanced a lot in hardware development with the Switch (and please, before reply me read careful my wording there), I think the flaws the OP points are at the most part something Nintendo should polish if it want to attract people as the OP.
At the same time, the OP and people who agrees with him/her should understand that for some people those flaws aren't important at all, and as that they should really stop trying to act like the people who likes the system are blind/dumb/fanboy people because it isn't: They. Just. Have. Different. Taste.
Still, thanks for this thread OP. I hope Nintendo addresses those issues for you and many others.
At the same time, the OP and people who agrees with him/her should understand that for some people those flaws aren't important at all, and as that they should really stop trying to act like the people who likes the system are blind/dumb/fanboy people because it isn't: They. Just. Have. Different. Taste.
Still, thanks for this thread OP. I hope Nintendo addresses those issues for you and many others.
SRTtoZ
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People need to realize that the faster issues like this get brought to attention and caught by X company, the faster they can get it fixed and out of everyone's misery.
The more issues that don't get caught that people have to try to live and put up with, the more it eventually hardens their hearts and sours their minds in the long run towards X company.
So by trying to cover issues up, they aren't doing their beloved company any service.
Also, OP you've missed a few issues,
Like the scratches that people are getting while docking,
Original thread with others reporting the same with picshttp://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1349599
Protection thread that was spawned from it with various ideas on how to protect from scratches for the time being. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1349755
Also, the screen quality apparently differs kind of like the 3Ds did.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=231460640#post231460640
1) Do we have any other pics besides that one where peoples Switches are scratching? I only ask because ive taken mine out of the dock probably ~50 times so far and there's not a mark. Sure if I'm not careful and toss it in the dock like Jeff Gerstmann it will gather up scratches at an alarming rate, but its also why I don't put my phone in my pocket with my keys, it's called being careful.
2) That screen looks borked, like that should be returned as a defective unit. Now if 50% of people were getting a a mix between the 2 screens then i'd say we had an issue on our hands.
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
We're in a situation where you have a group of pepole turning to insults and deflection at any slight criticism of the Switch. The insecurity is mad. There isn't a single thing inflammatory about the OP and they're legitimate concerns.
I'm enjoying my Switch, but there's so much wrong with it that I don't think the average consumer would put up with, especially with a PS4 and Xbox One readily available to them with a greater value proposition, better services and cheaper entry price.
PeakPointMatrix
Member
Totally agreed Op. I'm having trouble thinking of a more ill equipped console hardware/OS launch in recent memory. The issues and lack of functionality surpass even the WiiU's at launch. Maybe the PS3's even?
Dr. Benton Quest
Banned
The time around hardware launches is always like this. Everyone wants their purchase validated so they are sure they didn't make a mistake or misplace their trust.
The argument that things will get better with time is odd to me. Ninty has an abysmal track record with OS software including online features and functionality. Giving them the benefit of the doubt seems unwise in that respect.
Also saying things like "my switch is perfect and has no problems" really doesn't help things.
You know, I don't feel like a new console was just released, I feel like a new Zelda has.
Synless
Member
I was referring to the PS4 which didn't get startup resume until well after it launched... same with Xbox if I recall.
Other people in the thread have reported scratches, some youtuber named Blunty has scratches.
You're just dodging the issue behind the 'mandatory or not' issue. Every single of those services that you (rightfully) say don't have mandatory achievements provide have the achievements connected to your profile at a system level, and that's what Nintendo doesn't provide.
If you open your profile, or your binding of isaac steam page, you can see your binding of isaac achievements, on Nintendo that is not possible, they are not integrated on the system, unlike the others.
I wouldn't say that. It can't be an horrible launch software wise when there is one of if not the best game Nintendo ever produced with it.
But this is also actually illustrating a problem with hardware. To me that's the real drama here. We have a terrible launch, hardware wise. Not only the problems, but i mean the console is just a mess. It's combining two impossible concepts (home/portable and every control method in existence) and each one is affecting the other one.
What i mean is.. Look at how legendary is Zelda. How much love, skill, dedication, creativiy and ambition there is in that game. This IS Nintendo's strengh. This is the Nintendo that we need. And compare it to how weak their hardware philosophy and quality is... Zelda is a game that, if done for PS4/Steam/XBO would sell as much as the biggest out there.
It's like this launch is illustrating how much Nintendo is shooting themselves in the foot with creating hardware when they are sooo good at creating software when they really want.
This is even more obvious this time cause neither the Switch nor the WiiU have ONE thing that allows, or make that Zelda stronger. It doesn't need any specific thing from those two consoles. Worse, It actually limits what they can do. Yet it's the best. So their consoles are now more a constraint to their immense software power than a strength.
Sorry OP, love mine. We've been able to use it just as advertised. Supply constraints on accessories are annoying, though.
Off Topic:
My son ran upstairs extremely excited yesterday. He told me a story about a mysterious temple he found in Zelda. That's what it's all about man, reminds me of myself when I was young.
Off Topic:
My son ran upstairs extremely excited yesterday. He told me a story about a mysterious temple he found in Zelda. That's what it's all about man, reminds me of myself when I was young.
LQX
Member
What really struck me today is how terribly designed that fucking stand is and I think it speaks to just how rushed this thing was as it is unfathomable they would design and add such a shitty fucking thing to an otherwise great hardware design. I tried to have the Switch stand on my bed while lying down and the damn thing would not. The surface has to be absolutely flat.
The minute I saw it in pictures I knew there would be an issue as one side would not be supported but my gosh it even worse once you try to use it. Fucking hell Nintendo...how do you fuck up a stand? How could a team of brilliant minds not see how terrible it is?
Look at this shit....
This is how it is if it is not on a totally flat surface....
It's like they designed it to troll us. There is no other excuse.
The minute I saw it in pictures I knew there would be an issue as one side would not be supported but my gosh it even worse once you try to use it. Fucking hell Nintendo...how do you fuck up a stand? How could a team of brilliant minds not see how terrible it is?
Look at this shit....
This is how it is if it is not on a totally flat surface....
It's like they designed it to troll us. There is no other excuse.
Dash_Riprock
Member
Man, what the hell was going on in those first couple pages?
Thanks for beta testing
Squarehard
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LordRaptor
Member
There is no such concept outside of Xbox and Playstation.
I bought one for my kids and one for me, both are working well. We've tried docked, undocked, split joy cons on the couch 10 feet away, table top, portable, and everything has worked well. Both devices seem to be good quality.
I ordered some screen protectors just to be on the safe side. I also ordered a pro controller to test that out. My biggest complaint is that I wish the kick stand was better. I haven't had any issues with it falling over, but it could've been stronger.
I don't understand how someone can objectively call the Switch a commercial or technical failure. It's too early to know either. Based on my family's hands on experiences so far, both of our devices have been really good. Just a few minutes ago I had my switch in table top mode on the kitchen table, while I played BoTW with split joy cons. It was awesome.
I ordered some screen protectors just to be on the safe side. I also ordered a pro controller to test that out. My biggest complaint is that I wish the kick stand was better. I haven't had any issues with it falling over, but it could've been stronger.
I don't understand how someone can objectively call the Switch a commercial or technical failure. It's too early to know either. Based on my family's hands on experiences so far, both of our devices have been really good. Just a few minutes ago I had my switch in table top mode on the kitchen table, while I played BoTW with split joy cons. It was awesome.
I just don't get how rushing it out half-finished with some pretty significant software, hardware, and online infrastructure shortcomings and making a bad first impression is better than giving yourself a few more months to sort these issues out and launch during the holidays with a way better lineup.
At least with the modular nature of the joycons they can pretty easily do a revision later on that solves the syncing issue, if they think it's even worth addressing.
Fiscal year ends in March.
Salty Rice
Member
Oh boy how i saw the Switch making Gaf crazy coming.
Overreaction city here on Gaf.
Overreaction city here on Gaf.
I'm so tired reading this kind of things over and over again. Greater value proposition... the value of the PS4 and Xbox One equals zero if you can't play them on the bus or in the park, or if you can't play Zelda or Mario games on them.
It's an industry standard across CONSOLES. Heck, even intelligent programmers have engineered ways to inject them into NES emulation.
