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Here are some issues I have with the Switch launch for us to politely discuss
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Earthbound64
Banned
To be fair, people had time to prepare - since the OP had posted this same exact thread, without any meaningful changes, before the launch of the system as well.
What s a legitimate issue varies by person. Some people Act as if the world will implode if Nintendo does not implement system wide achievement's. I on the other hand do not give a shit. I do not need platinum trophies etc. to play a game.
thats what good games do, they keep you engaged so you dont have to mess around the OS
When has any console launch been not bare bones? They always are: not many games to start, features added later, etc. Give it time, all consoles mature with time. Personally I love how simple and fast everything is, what else more could you want? Personally I don't care about video streaming services or a web browser. I barely use them on other consoles, why would I here. Although it would be nice to easily browse GAF on the Switch. I'm sure a web browser is in the works.
elrechazado
Banned
A beta test at full price.
ViolentP
Member
It's literally the only good reason to pay for a Switch, however.
Technically, yes. The Wii U is an option. But we're all a bit savvy here when it comes to gaming and we should know that purchasing the game on the Wii U is for lack of a better word, settling. It's the only reason right now to purchase a Switch which is why I said it the way I did.
I would consider both Vita and 3DS to be better handhelds then the switch considering their games/features.
Really that comes across as more embarrassing to me, they don't have to worry about balancing their Handheld and Console markets because they have fused them together, and yet the switch has more glaring problems both hardware software and features that it seems insane to me they haven't got their shit together.
They said they learned from from the mistakes of the Wii...then said they learned the mistakes from the 3DS...then said they learned the mistakes from the WiiU..and now with the switch they clearly haven't this shouldn't be a *Wait and See* they should have had Software/Features and good hardware ready.
And yet it has Joycon syncing Issues, Dock Scratching Screens, Lack of VC, Lack of Online Saves, Lack of Achievements, Lack Of Gaming Software, A separate phone app to voice chat, Expensive Accessories, Lack of Apps like Netflix/Youtube, Lack Of Browser at Launch, ect ect. I really want to give Nintendo my money but the ignorance of them puts me off, the software is amazing but im not putting my money towards a company that clearly does not care about its consumers, or at least ignorant of the wants and needs of them.
PS4 did have a browser at launch. Your point still stands as it had issues such as thumbstick wear off and some bad HDMI ports at launch. However, I feel the switch issues are much more in quantity.
But some of those missing games and features is what caused the Wiiu sales to flatter. If the Switch don't have those soon specifically big third party support, I fear it will do Gamecube numbers at best.
RichiRamjag
Member
Not like any rational discussion is going to take place without people being dubbed a defense force. Honestly, it's people such as yourself and the fans who are an issue. In the past month, I've been accused of being a nintendo fanboy when disagreeing on certain aspects and a nintendo hater as well. If people could grow the fuck up and stop with the labels, then maybe an actual convo could occur. As it stands, it's just going to be two extremes acting like knuckleheads.
Hardly a con imo. Not everything needs to be a vr device. Especially when it's niche as hell already.
Hardware issues aside, my largest complaints are probably the lack of cloud saves or a method of transferring saves and that phone app. But honestly, I think it's a bit early to be going apeshit about any specifics in regards to online functionality at this point because they've been so bad at communicating how it will work. That's an issue in itself though.
At this point, there really isn't much that can be done other than waiting and seeing how soon functionality will be added via updates. If they play it right, there is a lot of potential, but as I always say, nintendo is their own worst enemy.
Have these people EVER played a new console at launch? Seriously, this is the dumbest response I've ever heard. I've been playing video games for over 20 years and remember every launch from the PS1/N64 and up. NEVER has there been a console worth owning at launch unless you were a die hard fan of one of the launch titles. Once you beat that game those consoles typically collected dust or you played previous gen titles on it (if it supported BC). Even the current gen leading PS4 was a waste of $400 at launch and for its first year. I guess people enjoyed Knack and Killzone until Infamous came out. 3 games I'm sure most of the current PS4 owners could really careless about.
elrechazado
Banned
How is what he said remotely comparable to the first few pages filled with shit like "where did Reggie touch you, OP"???
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
Yep. I cuddle with mine. Looove it!
MetalliCabombination
Member
I dont think its fair to compare switch to the ps4 or xb1.
For starters, these consoles could launch without a single exclusive for a year and they would still have games every month.
Things like a browser and netflix are far more useful on a tablet than a console.
Lastly, these weren't successors to a giant flop of a console.
These arguments make total sense, the only problem is the "i dont need so and so" thing is what led the wii u to be what it was.
You dont need to care for call of duty to know it sells more than the total number of wii u's sold, every year.
Off course then theres the whole likely issue of Nintendo doing its 'new' iteration.
With how much you see enamoured by Nintendo, i wouldn't blame you for forgetting 3rd party games exist and sell truck loads, yes, real live actual people buy them and play them.
Overwhelming majority of PS4 owners care about third party support. Cod, Battlefield, AC, Fifa, Madden sell much more than most exclusives even to this day. Don't let the Neogaf & Reddit bubble cloud your judgement about what games matters to the general audience.
There has been plenty of discussion on the Switches shirt coming. At some point it gets tiring to discuss and some of the controversy is a bit manufactured at the same time. On top of that the biggest complainers never planned on buying the console anyway. What's mindblowing is wasting time discussing a system that you had no intention of owning.
What A Time To Be Alive
Member
I mean I agree with some things but to call the Switch a failure within only almost 2 days of actually being out is ridiculous.
Let's wait until the end of the year to actually talk about whether or not the Switch was a successful.
Let's wait until the end of the year to actually talk about whether or not the Switch was a successful.
elrechazado
Banned
Makes no sense and doesn't change what you said at all being 100% factually incorrect, but OK?
But is Nintendo satisfied with that? Are they content with only pulling in Nintendo only fans? Outside of the Wii, every console lifetime sales are on a downward trend, would Nintendo be fine with 10mil or less console sales this gen?
Im a idiot sorry meant VC not VR there haha.
RichiRamjag
Member
Because I think coming in to just throw out the same shit in reverse isn't much better. Crazy thinking I'm sure.
Haha. No sweat. I agree with you there for sure.
Everything made sense in your list of complaints except for that.
The title and OP alone sets a negative tone and it was obvious where the thread was going to go from there.
Yep.
Nintendo appears to have really dropped the ball on the Switch
Apparently OP thinks a catch-all "Nintendo failed" thread is somehow more productive than people actually discussing individual issues in a focused manner.
It's no surprise that the thread like this would devolve from page one.
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
I agree OP. Very disappointed in the system itself. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone at this point.
elrechazado
Banned
I'll say what I said again - how is what you quoted even remotely the "reverse" of those first page samples? Pointing out that you can buy something and still recognize its flaws is the mirror image of molestation jokes and "mommy wouldn't buy you a console"?
Crazy thinking I'm sure.
What A Time To Be Alive
Member
That's a fucking lie. Dreamcast launch lineup was godlike. I would argue and say launch games were a lot better than later games on the system.
ForsakenLotus
Member
Every console launch has its issues, and also have features that aren't there at the beginning but eventually come. The Switch is no exception.
However, it's reasonable to criticize a console for what it doesn't have yet and also certainly it's fair to complain about fundamental design flaws that might take a revision to implement.
However, it's reasonable to criticize a console for what it doesn't have yet and also certainly it's fair to complain about fundamental design flaws that might take a revision to implement.
I'm sure they do, but why would you buy a $400 PS4 or $500 Xbox One to play the same games when they came out on 360 and PS3. There was no reason to upgrade consoles for that unless you were a die hard fan.
BlastProcessing
Member
I have been through every console generation since the NES and, personally, I am happier with my Switch than I have been for any launch day console since the Dreamcast. I acknowledge that people will have different takes, but the positions in the OP straight up puzzle me.
Right now this thing is dispensing pure fun for me every second I can set aside to play it.
Even with the Dreamcast, waiting would have been the better path. That thing got pretty aggressive bundles and price drops very quickly. Waiting is always better. I would actually point towards the Dreamcast as an example of how the quality of a console's launch doesn't really mean much about it's long term success.
Right now this thing is dispensing pure fun for me every second I can set aside to play it.
Even with the Dreamcast, waiting would have been the better path. That thing got pretty aggressive bundles and price drops very quickly. Waiting is always better. I would actually point towards the Dreamcast as an example of how the quality of a console's launch doesn't really mean much about it's long term success.
chillybright
Banned
Euphemism for paid public beta test.
I am a handheld gamer and have a ton of them scattered around my house. As a handheld the Switch is incredibly impressive, absolutely the best I've played. A handheld Zelda of this caliber is sublime. It feels very well made and feels solid in my hands. Screen is wonderful and clear. I will never dock it though, it's strictly a handheld device for me. I like how fast the OS is and getting in and out of Zelda is a breeze. It is very bare bones however. It would make a great little system for portable web browsing, Netflix viewing,etc. I'm sure that's down the road a ways but I'm a little disappointed there isn't more there at launch.
RichiRamjag
Member
I know you wanted your chance at trying to "pay me back" for being a smart ass, but let's not pretend that he didn't pull out the same ol nintendo defense force crap that I specifically referenced. I mean damn, it's not like I didn't say that the other side was just as obnoxious. Let's just end this dance to nowhere before it further clutters up the thread.
Crazy Diamond
Member
Be embarrassed all you want, man. It's not that big a deal. Sony turned the PS3 around, Microsoft turned the Xbox One around, and Nintendo has done the same in the past for earlier systems such as their last handheld. The console has been out less than a week and we live in a time where these things are constantly being fine-tuned and upgraded. If the problems are that serious for you that you take it so personally, there are plenty of other platforms to enjoy and quite frankly, the way you word it with such anger, I would probably recommend that anyway.
ViolentP
Member
You must be a blast at parties.
... I sure hope the launch games were good being the console got discontinued 18 months after it came out in North America.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
I knew going in that I was ultimately buying the console at this point to play a new Zelda game. That's what I stood in line for and that's what Switch is delivering. It's not like the absence of all the window-dressing, bells and whistles features was a hidden fact or anything.
If the "more features to round out the console will come later" is not a good value proposition for some, then yea, by all means those people should sit it out till they feel like it's worth buying. But to call the console a "failure" when we knew well ahead what the scope of its offerings are , what it set out to do with this launch, and how tough it's been to find, is a massive stretch.
RichiRamjag
Member
It gave us shenmue. That alone makes it the best console ever.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
Even with third party games, there hasn't been a really good launch line up since the PS2. I'm playing way more on the Switch on day one than I had any desire to with my PS4.
According to a Nielson survey relased 1 year after PS4 release, the number 1 reason purchased a PS4 was graphics. So some people upgraded their consoles to play the same games in better graphics.
Jubenhimer
Member
Not to mention, the Dreamcast actually had a similar rushed, barebones launch in Japan. Many people forgot about it because the US launch was so good, but when the Dreamcast launched in 1998 in Japan, things weren't as rosey.
I'd agree more if the system was complete or had features which were active lol it's hard to bitch about online or UI/applications when this is all months out from fruition.
The hardware itself is fine. There's nothing major or technically wrong. There's always some hardware design grievances that can be streamlined. The concept is its strongest selling point.
The platform isn't launching complete, if that's an issue your waiting. If Zelda isn't enough, your waiting. I will say content wise, the indie release list is almost enough to keep the launch window acceptable for me IMO. I can't really think of the last console launch I joined where I bought more than two games.
I'm good till e3 easily, we will see what happens after that...
The hardware itself is fine. There's nothing major or technically wrong. There's always some hardware design grievances that can be streamlined. The concept is its strongest selling point.
The platform isn't launching complete, if that's an issue your waiting. If Zelda isn't enough, your waiting. I will say content wise, the indie release list is almost enough to keep the launch window acceptable for me IMO. I can't really think of the last console launch I joined where I bought more than two games.
I'm good till e3 easily, we will see what happens after that...
Walt_Clyde
Member
Yep, while playing one of the greatest games of the generation. Fully understand the gripes some folks have with the system...for those that can play zelda elsewhere, or don't care, just wait it out to see if they deliver.
nightopian
Member
Love my Switch. Although I worry about the opinion of the mainstream on sales. I will never pass on Nintendo and their AAA titles.
streetsahead123
Banned
I love the idea of the Switch and I want Nintendo to succeed but there's so many glaring basic flaws with the system.
I packed mines up and its going back. Got a real crappy yellowish LCD with that really warm color tone. Looks horrible to me. I iwll try another system at so me point. Keep reading about so many issues coming up (joycon, dock, crashing). I will just hold off for a bit. I still got Bravely 2, DQ7,8, Xenoblade chronicles, FE birthright to hold me of on the 3ds (which has a nice cool reddish tone)