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What is a possible Microsoft answer to Horizon Zero Dawn and Breath of the Wild?
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wapplew
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Microsoft don't have direct competition product with Horizon and Zelda, they don't have to come up with answer for that.
More important question is Microsoft answer to Destiny and Tom Clancy division/wild land. Those direct compete with Microsoft products appeal to similar set of users.
More important question is Microsoft answer to Destiny and Tom Clancy division/wild land. Those direct compete with Microsoft products appeal to similar set of users.
I'll have to imagine this because it won't happen in reality. Sony has marketing rights to RDR2 and no one will be seeing that game in marketing materials for Scorpio.
I don't really know what you mean by "hardcore games". Most games are now on console barring the type of PC releases that aren't feasible on console (mostly due to controls). Why would they suddenly be feasible on Xbone? And if they were there is no reason why they couldn't be on PlayStation also.
It sounds like you're trying to find a way to justify owning three consoles but I don't understand why that's your end goal instead of having everything on as few consoles as possible.
Charles Brandon
Member
this is probably a can-of-worms post but how much better are we expecting Scorpio to be than the Pro?
I also think that MS are in a market position where it's not at all in their best interests to make a Zelda or Horizon. If they did then it would have a negligible impact on the sales of their console even if it got a 94 on MC, and their small user base makes it unlikely they'd get a significant return on investment. By comparison PS4 has a very large user base and Nintendo had a new console to push.
6TFLOPS vs 4.1TFLOPS, so about a third as powerful again.
6TFLOPS vs 4.1TFLOPS, so about a third as powerful again.
Reckheim
Member
Probably 2TF more powerful. Why do you ask in this thread specifically?
MightyHedgehog
Member
What does that question have to do with the topic?
Uhh. If they directly compete, then those games are already answers to each other. Microsoft already has those genres covered in competition with successful games. The question is what games in the style of BoTW are they working on? What games in the style of Horizon are they working on? They've got Crackdown which is a bit of inFamous meets GTA/Saints Row. But what else?
The answer probably is nothing. They've got their core franchises they're working on and they seek to be shifting their overall company focus into other things with their unified Windows platform.
They have successful franchises and they've built an assembly line for regular sequels. They've tasked two studios that used to do other things to now just do Halo and Gears, sometimes cancelling promising games in the process. They've got a yearly Forza of some kind. I'm not sure if Crackdown is going to be a single game or if they will churn out more of that. So many other exclusive games got cancelled like a new CEO came in and decided those shouldn't be corporate priority.
Mass Effect
Member
Halo 4 did not hit those numbers. The only place that has it at 10 mil is Chartzzz
Edit: oh, you've been quoting Chartzzz this whole thread. Come on man
barneystuta83
Member
Scalepio.
In all seriousness, MS do need something fresh and new and I'd hope to see some new games at E3.
In all seriousness, MS do need something fresh and new and I'd hope to see some new games at E3.
Jaguar Victory
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We're not 100% sure of all the specs yet but so far about 2TF and 4GB more RAM running at a much higher throughput. Architectural advances will undoubtedly be present as well.
Does MS have any first party's that aren't working on either Forza, Halo, or Gears anymore.
Don't know what MS does with its developers. Lionhead made one of the most well received and popular RPG games, Rare was the closest dev to making Nintendo quality games. Both are dead and their talent jumped ship. Even Bungie disliked the relationship so much that they re-bought themselves then sold themselves to Activision.
Don't know what MS does with its developers. Lionhead made one of the most well received and popular RPG games, Rare was the closest dev to making Nintendo quality games. Both are dead and their talent jumped ship. Even Bungie disliked the relationship so much that they re-bought themselves then sold themselves to Activision.
Charles Brandon
Member
Well because someone was saying how people would want to play RDR2 on the best possible hardware and I was wondering how much better that hardware would be vs what is already here. No need for the integration.
I assume from all this technobabble that it's a decent sized jump. Can we use a comparison - say is it like the gap from Pro to Xbone, less or more?
AuthenticM
Member
Amongst their existing franchises: definitely Fable.
Taliban Stan
Member
Mas Effect Andromeda 
Seriously, if you own an Xbox, this or Final Fantasy from last year are all you have to play for big, open AAA RPGs unless you go back a few years to Fallout 4 and whatever came before that.
Seriously, if you own an Xbox, this or Final Fantasy from last year are all you have to play for big, open AAA RPGs unless you go back a few years to Fallout 4 and whatever came before that.
I'm not sure there is a desperate need for mediocre, broken RTS spin-offs to tired franchises on other platforms, to be honest. For the record I loved the first Halo Wars, and own the second, but, seriously, there is no comparison here.
It's not about "Where's Microsoft's open world AAA game?", it's plainly about "Where are Microsoft's really good exclusives?", and the answer is... missing.
If HW2 had been hailed as a return to form for the genre and been hitting those 90+ MC scores do you really think anybody would care? RTS just doesn't have the same prestige to it.
wapplew
Member
The answer is always holiday,
MilkyJoe
Member
OK so you want to have an objective opinion that suits your stance.
Answer = Nintendo Yes
Sony = No. There's more games, there's been more than enough stinkers, but you can say yes if you are thinking Horizon, UC4, TLoU & Bloodbourne make up for it, floating in a sea of highly rated multiplats (you're thinking metacritic). But I don't quite think they have the brand recognition you think they do. Well UC and maybe TLoU, maybe.
I'm as excited about State of Decay 2 as I was for Zelda and Horizon.
I consider State of Decay the best Zombie game since last Gen. I had more fun with it than any Zombie game since. The only thing that comes close is the new Resident Evil IMO.
Oh, and I can't wait for Forza 7...and Crackdown...and Sea of Thieves.
I'm currently playing Halo Wars 2 and Horizon: Zero Dawn. I personally don't know why Microsoft has to "answer" anything. They're fine. I own all the hardware though, so I'm not part of the "what are you going to do for me now?" outlook.
I consider State of Decay the best Zombie game since last Gen. I had more fun with it than any Zombie game since. The only thing that comes close is the new Resident Evil IMO.
Oh, and I can't wait for Forza 7...and Crackdown...and Sea of Thieves.
I'm currently playing Halo Wars 2 and Horizon: Zero Dawn. I personally don't know why Microsoft has to "answer" anything. They're fine. I own all the hardware though, so I'm not part of the "what are you going to do for me now?" outlook.
Pro it's more like 3 xbone, Scorpio 4. But I think the bigger advantage it's the bandwidth. Otherwise I don't think there will be mind blowing differences from the two. But that's something we have discussed until the nausea.
Microsoft's issue also is that Japanese devs are really starting to churn out some great games that seem to be skipping XBO, at least for now. Just in the last couple months we got Nioh, Nier, Yakuza. Not sure what MS is doing to combat that.
But of course Nintendo knows all about third party games skipping their platform. I hope that changes for them, I really do, because the Switch seems like a really cool console.
Charles Brandon
Member
Thanks
I just wonder how many "I own all three" people we will still have now that all three companies charge for online.
tiredheadcrab
Member
I dont think MS needs to answer Horizon. When the PS2 was out and Halo 2 was highly talked about, people were pinning Killzone as the "Halo Killer". I thought that was a huge mistake from Sony (even though they never officially said that) because Sony has different studios. They dont have a 343i and MS doesnt have a GG or ND. Chasing that could end up hurting them more than helping them. MS will just stick to its strengths which is GaaS. If they do have an open world RPG it should be something that is unlike Horizon or Zelda.
geordiemp
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If they have the same CPU, then for playing on a 50 inch you would be pausing the game with your nose to the screen lol to see any differences.
If Scorpio gets Ryzen then yes it will run games much better, if not, then it will be held back by the same constraints as the pro.
Scorpio will not run games 33 % faster without a huge CPU upgrade IMO, so no its not 1/3 more powerful at all. Both will be unbalanced GPU / CPU
Microsofts strength has always been great place to play multiplat games with Halo / gears and Forza sprinked ontop. They lost that this gen..so far.
Charles Brandon
Member
I think the point is less that it needs an open-world extravaganza, more that it needs some good old-fashioned single player focused adventures.
They have. Those games don't sell as well. The multiplayer based games seemingly do. They are pivoting to GAAS that the audience wants to play and capitalizing on it.
Zok310
Banned
What?
No way XB1 owners are seeing HZD and Zelda and not saying "damn I wish I had that in my XB1 right about now"
MS needs compelling software like the ones mentioned above to keep people interested. What is the worse that can happen to MS if they do make a Zelda or HZD open world game and unleash it on their users? You are basically making an argument against software.
MilkyJoe
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Well, they know they are not going to sell on the Xbox in numbers that warrant the effort, because the xbox is not focused in those markets. If Xbox want those games for it's customers or want to start to focus in those markets they are going to have to swallow the risk.
wapplew
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Many might say that, not many put money where the mouth is.
No
Scorpio having 6+ raw TF of gpu power, newer architecture, 320 gbs bandwidth, 12GB ram (4 more than any console), and a strong CPU will do more than 50% more power than pro. Games on PS4 run about 40% better than XB1 and it has about 40% more gpu power. Don't try to downplay it looks bad
This is the actual answer.
Charles Brandon
Member
Doesn't look like they're capitalising on it to me, looks like they've made the mistake of identifying the most profitable part of the business and focusing exclusively on that without understanding that that part of the business doesn't work so well without the bit that doesn't make so much money.
Jimmyfenix
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Netflix 2
That's not what I said. I said that MS are not in the market position to make one and have it be successful like Horizon. They have a small userbase and struggling hardware sales. Horizon and Zelda are big budget releases, and there's the risk that you spend millions of dollars for a 7/10 (you might speculate that Scalebound, for example, would end up this way).
Of course Xbone users would be happy to have that kind of game, but I don't think anyone should be surprised that MS aren't releasing them, their market position just isn't good enough. Do you think that if MS released a 90+ MC open world blockbuster right now it would actually do anything significant for their bottom line? Because that's what MS cares about right now.
What does "games on PS4 run about 40% better than XB1" even mean? Is that 40% better framerate? 40% better looking? Realistically, the PS4 has the visual and performance edge in many games, but is just an edge. It's usually a fairly subtle difference that many people simply would not notice. The hardware differences between the Scorpio and PlayStation 4 Pro are similar to the hardware differences between the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One. Yet, it seems eminently likely that the actual visual/performance difference between Scorpio games and PS4 Pro games will be even less noticeable than the typical difference between PlayStation 4 games and Xbox One - Scorpio games will still have to run the same features on the massively weaker Xbox One, the main push is towards 4K, which will be extremely subtle for most people without 4K screens, diminishing returns, etc.
People are putting way too much faith in Scorpio, and my fear, as an Xbox One owner, is that Microsoft are doing the same. Me getting a Scorpio depends entirely on whether or not Microsoft can put out games fairly frequently that are top quality and significantly better on Scorpio than on the Xbox One. Everything that has happened so far this generation has suggested that is unlikely.
Mihos
Gold Member
Honestly, the only thing I am looking at on XBoxOne is the subscription service. I will still get PC versions of their games when they exist, and everything else on PS4 and a few Nintendo games here and there. Only way I would buy a Scorpio as an existing owner is if this one breaks.
But games don't seem 40% better on PS4 over XBO in reality. Yeah exclusives like Horizon and UC4 do, but multiplats are pretty standardized to not favor one console too much more than the other.
Scorpio multiplats will look somewhat better than the Pro, but won't be very different in the end. That's one area where exclusives are important. If you're pushing your console to be technologically better than your competition, you need games that showcase that. Multiplatform games don't really do that.
MilkyJoe
Member
Well it was the rhetoric that was championed by the blue team in 2013, for starters haha
MilkyJoe
Member
And if they don't have something come November to show this difference, then it's not going to look good to Joe Public.
Unlike pro where it was basically the same set up as the other consoles but more gpu power, Scorpio has an incredibly substantial memory bandwidth that will allow more gpu processes be sent. Also having 4GB of more ram changes a lot. From objects rendered in a scene, physics, level of detail, ultra high res textures, post processing effects it does a lot. Games on pro are basically PS4 games in high res. Scorpio will actually be capable of ultra high assets seen in pc games that makes a difference. Battlefield 1 on pc is a leap over pro with way more tesselation, higher res textures, etc
Chinbo37
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My friend is a total casual gamer who loves open world and RPG type games like Witcher series, Skyrim, Mass Effect etc.
He wanted to upgrade his 360 I told him to get a PS4 or a Pro. He ended up choosing the XBone due to the cheaper price. I messaged him last week like, "bro you made the wrong decision, Horizon looks right up your alley!"
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
I mean, they do have a much, much bigger IP than anything Nintendo or Sony have in Minecraft.
But they went with a different strategy.
But they went with a different strategy.
Original Halo and Gears made them a ton of money on smaller user bases than they have now with Xbox One. If they made something that had the "it" factor then sure, they could make a lot of money.
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