BrownWalrus
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What do you guys do about your white balance for the 2/10 point stuff? Everything for me is set to 0. Is that terrible?
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KS8000 settings for gaming at 4k/HDR
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bryanee
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I asked this in another thread but this one is more active so I'll ask here as well.
So I have a Panasonic 4K HDR TV on the way and I have a quick question. Do i have to turn the HDR setting off in the TV settings every time I'm not viewing HDR content? I noticed on my Dads Samsung KS8000 that all the settings get jacked up with UHD colour on regardless of what content you are watching.
So I have a Panasonic 4K HDR TV on the way and I have a quick question. Do i have to turn the HDR setting off in the TV settings every time I'm not viewing HDR content? I noticed on my Dads Samsung KS8000 that all the settings get jacked up with UHD colour on regardless of what content you are watching.
Clockwork
Member
I don't know about your first concern but regarding the KS8000 something is definitely not set correctly. I (and I doubt anyone else) has that issue.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
Its just the default. Unless you know what you are doing, those settings are best left to professional calibrators. You could also try entering rtings.com settings for the KS8000, they actually give settings for the white balance. I used them and felt it was a big improvement on my set. If you don't like them you can always revert back.
BrownWalrus
Member
Ah nice. There seems to be many variations of the same settings..are you just supposed to pick any one of 2 & 10 point ones they have and see if it looks good?
Zantetsuken
Member
They're all actually different settings inputted. There are 10 white point settings along with I think 6 color space settings and the two-point settings.
MyNameIsRye
Member
Does anyone know what causes an image to look like this? Using a PS4 Pro.
http://imgur.com/5fXR8DQ
It's like the colors don't blend properly together. Happens in a lot a games. Most noticiable on black screens...but it doesn't do it on every black screen. I don't really understand.
http://imgur.com/5fXR8DQ
It's like the colors don't blend properly together. Happens in a lot a games. Most noticiable on black screens...but it doesn't do it on every black screen. I don't really understand.
Wishmaster92
Member
Finally after digging around forever i have found what i consider the best accurate settings. On my set they look noticeably better than the rtings settings which introduced a bit of blue hue to the blacks.These settings are from the user b_rad4 over at avs which he got his set professionally calibrated by an isf calibrator. Case in point these are the best settings you are going to get on this set besides of course getting a calibration done specifically on your set. I have to say the colors are much much better than my Panasonic GT50 plasma which has been calibrated, the ks8000 has a 10 point w/b control with cms for each color so it's understandable. The user also mentioned he has the AA02 panel (labeled on the back of the tv) so the settings might look even better if you have a matching panel. Also an interesting note from him:
Anyways here are the settings. This is for SDR content obviously.
For HDR gaming you have to give up the 10 point W/B settings which really sucks but the benefit to game mode over movie mode from what i have seen are: slightly better motion resolution, much faster response time, and higher peak brightness which i believe is the most important. Game mode is noticeably brighter than movie mode in HDR is this because of disabled effects/processing so they can increase the brightness? I would like to explore more of the Service Menu to see if you can calibrate the 10 point w/b for gaming and then this tv would be more than perfect! I have already managed to activate 2 other settings CAL-DAY and CAL-NIGHT from the service mode.
Here are my settings for HDR Game mode:
Looks almost the same as movie mode, maybe a tad more saturated because of higher brightness. I wouldn't use movie mode for gaming, it is too dim for me even at max lol.
I also made this little comparison with horizon just taking a picture from my iphone comparing sdr vs hdr, of course pictures can't fully capture the immense brightness HDR brings but you can see the added depth easily. Before when i was using rtings settings i would always play in SDR because the image looked washed out in HDR. With these settings it's the opposite, SDR looks bad now.
A 10% windows pattern but it is still amazing it peaked at 1602 nits!
Anyways here are the settings. This is for SDR content obviously.
For HDR gaming you have to give up the 10 point W/B settings which really sucks but the benefit to game mode over movie mode from what i have seen are: slightly better motion resolution, much faster response time, and higher peak brightness which i believe is the most important. Game mode is noticeably brighter than movie mode in HDR is this because of disabled effects/processing so they can increase the brightness? I would like to explore more of the Service Menu to see if you can calibrate the 10 point w/b for gaming and then this tv would be more than perfect! I have already managed to activate 2 other settings CAL-DAY and CAL-NIGHT from the service mode.
Here are my settings for HDR Game mode:
Looks almost the same as movie mode, maybe a tad more saturated because of higher brightness. I wouldn't use movie mode for gaming, it is too dim for me even at max lol.
I also made this little comparison with horizon just taking a picture from my iphone comparing sdr vs hdr, of course pictures can't fully capture the immense brightness HDR brings but you can see the added depth easily. Before when i was using rtings settings i would always play in SDR because the image looked washed out in HDR. With these settings it's the opposite, SDR looks bad now.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
For one thing, the brightness looks way too high. Should be 42-43 or close to it. Also, HDMI black level may be set incorrectly. Color gradations and noise in near black can be messy so if brightness is too high you'll see a lot of ugly artifacts.
That being said, I've seen color banding in other colors but nothing that bad.
I also made this little comparison with horizon just taking a picture from my iphone comparing sdr vs hdr, of course pictures can't fully capture the immense brightness HDR brings but you can see the added depth easily. Before when i was using rtings settings i would always play in SDR because the image looked washed out in HDR. With these settings it's the opposite, SDR looks bad now.
Have you got a recommendation for a good calibration tool to set the colour spacing and white balance up correctly?
I was looking at this before, but as I'm not entirely sure what I'm looking at I could do with some advice. Will this do the job?:
http://www.wexphotographic.com/datacolor-spyder-5-express-1571252?mkwid=skcjtbvFN_dc&pcrid=89741316419&kword=&match=&plid=&product=1571252&gclid=CLm2jbSJsNMCFRKNGwodJVkBHg
Regarding your personal gaming HDR settings, how did you arrive at them? Did you start from the movie mode SDR settings from that AVS source and adjust to your own liking?
Thanks.
Majima Everywhere System
Member
Video game engines. This was imperceptible in one recent game, but I forget which.
MyNameIsRye
Member
This was Call of Duty. But it also happens in Odin Sphere, and it was really bad in RE7.
Wishmaster92
Member
Yes, sadly the user did not post HDR settings so i had to use his SDR settings as a baseline. I used this HDR calibration test video from youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEtUF7RT3pw
It helped take away some of the contrast clipping amost passing the 1000 nit mark. Lower contrast would be better to help with clipping but then the picture starts to look noticeably dull at around 95, at least on my set. Make sure to view that video using the youtube tv app as the ps4/pro does not support youtube hdr yet. Also you can't force game mode when in youtube and since game mode is more brighter in hdr than movie mode the contrast level might be different. The only way i tested HDR in game mode is by using the FFXV calibration image.
Like i said anything higher than 98 and the cactuar becomes invisible on my set.
AKingNamedPaul
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Wishmaster92
Member
Sorry, i don't have that much knowledge regarding calibration software tools. I did a quick search and the spyder5 express doesn't seem to support calibration for B.T 2020 but the Elite does.
But i'm not really sure what would be your best choice. Ideally if you want the best picture for pc graphics/games i would go with an rgb calibration toolset like the calman rgb But definitely do more research.
michaelius
Banned
Sorry, i don't have that much knowledge regarding calibration software tools. I did a quick search and the spyder5 express doesn't seem to support calibration for B.T 2020 but the Elite does.
But i'm not really sure what would be your best choice.
I haven't seen any Pro reviewer using Spyder, minimum suggested is usually X-Rite i1Display Pro
Nope, no need to enable. It should just be triggered by the content in this case.
Sorry, i don't have that much knowledge regarding calibration software tools. I did a quick search and the spyder5 express doesn't seem to support calibration for B.T 2020 but the Elite does.
But i'm not really sure what would be your best choice. Ideally if you want the best picture for pc graphics/games i would go with an rgb calibration toolset like the calman rgb But definitely do more research.
Thanks. Might leave it for the time being and at least do some more research. Seems like it gets pretty pricey if I want a decent meter and software.
A meter is all you really need if you don't mind doing a lot of stuff manually.
The workflow with ColorHCFR is a lot longer and not as easy as Calman or Chromapure but hey it's free.
For patterns you can just use AVS 709 or TED pattern generator.
Shai-Tan
Banned
You won't see the pop-up either but it's possible to see in info or just looking that the backlight jumped to 20
YPbPr Component RGB to HDMI converter
Does anyone have one of these for use with ps2 or Wii u, etc? I just want to make sure when it upscales that it fills the entire screen.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003VJ9RP6/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Does anyone have one of these for use with ps2 or Wii u, etc? I just want to make sure when it upscales that it fills the entire screen.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003VJ9RP6/?tag=neogaf0e-20
I'd also like to hear everyone's suggestions as far as 4K UHD Blu-ray players (eyeing this Sony UBP-X800) & soundbars (</= $200).
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-ub...-blu-ray-player-black/5748620.p?skuId=5748620
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-ub...-blu-ray-player-black/5748620.p?skuId=5748620
MyNameIsRye
Member
Brightness didn't fix it. Brightness on the TV was 45. It seems that lowering the contrast is what fixes it the best. I'm not sure if there's another way though.
How did you arrive at the colour space settings? Or were these someone else's? I understand that white balance target is to get the whitest white, but what am I looking to achieve on the RBG blocks as far as colour space settings go?
My RGB blocks on the youtube calibration vid all seem very similar levels with these settings, and definitely don't seem over-saturated. I need my colour on 52 as anything below this and the blue dims dramatically, anything more slowly over-saturates the colours.
Guys, just bought a KS8000 and realised that the brightness seems to fluctuate up and down (especially noticeable when watching football) as if I have some sort of Auto-Brightness on. However, all Eco modes are turned off. could this be Smart LED (which is set to high) doing this?
Double check the eco settings. I can't remember if it's saved per input/picture mode. Also, try a different picture mode and see if it's still happening with the settings turned off.
Thanks for the reply. Do you guys notice any brightness jumps/drops with SMART LED set to High?
It can happen with HDR movie/series content with white subs, in darker scenes. The bright whites can brighten darker scenes since they're locally so bright. It can happen with low too. Does not happen when it's off.
Football is generally bright all around though. And not in HDR. I'm lost as to why it would happen.
Milly Osworth
Member
Will this TV be widely available for the coming months or will it get phased out soon thanks to the 2017 QLED models?
YMMV, but i've generally seen it going out of stock at online retailers around here.
Wishmaster92
Member
The HDR settings are my modification, i just copied the color space settings from the SDR calibration the user had. Not sure if this is the correct way to go about it or to change it to auto which saturates the colors a lot. I'm not sure which is more accurate.
Ok cheers. Think I'll use them as a base setting then fiddle round with them from there. Seemed pretty good though from the brief time I used them yesterday. Auto leaves colours washed out for me, and native oversaturates colours sometimes.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
Yes, There are going to be brightness fluctuations even if you turn Smart LED off, but the whole panel will dim instead of the affected sections. I have Smart LED on Low because High is more aggressive and therefore noticeable.
Have they ever commented the backlight bug with gane mode (not switching between HDR and SDR?
VincentMatts
Member
Was this posted?
http://www.theverge.com/circuitbrea...hdr-standard-hdr10-plus-dolby-vision-metadata
HDR10+ coming via FW eventually
http://www.theverge.com/circuitbrea...hdr-standard-hdr10-plus-dolby-vision-metadata
HDR10+ coming via FW eventually
Goose_Se7en
Banned
Yea I saw Vincent Teoh tweet this a couple hours back.
The most we've heard is that the community moderators have told the engineering team the issues, not that they're being worked on.
At least we know they're still working on the firmware for 2016 TVs with this HD10+ stuff, so I guess there's a chance.
BetterCallSauls
Neo Member
There are a bunch of 65" ks800 models at my local Costco. So if you're a member you should check them out. Or buy a membership for the additional year warranty you get when you buy a new TV.
https://www.costco.com/Samsung-65"-...-LCD-TV-UN65KS800DFXZA.product.100289903.html
Good stuff.
I really like my Samsung KS8000. I just bought it four months ago, and financially I won't be in position to buy a new television for at least another 2-3 years, so the firmware will help it not seem so outdated when those wonderful HDMI v2.1 sets start rolling out in Fall 2018.
With this nice gesture - and as much as I like the KS8000 - I'm probably more inclined to buy Samsung for my next television as a result.
Wishmaster92
Member
I may be wrong, but isn't this tv future proof with the one connect cable? Can't you purchase the next evolution box that supports hdmi 2.1 and just plug it in the tv? Not like the tv itself has hdmi ports.
Pretty sure you will be able to just buy the new one connect box like you said.
VincentMatts
Member
They havent officially said anything. From what ive been reading is that this TV has the "requirements" to support it but thats about it.
vpance
Member
I think they unofficially stopped supporting OneConnect. So there will be no upgrades available for 2016 TVs.
Its in their 2017 TVs...