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Inkling Boy & Girl are the first black non-Mii characters in Mario Kart

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Platy

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A character doesn't need to be specially Dominican or African or Brazilian for kids to feel represented.

It just need to look more like the kid than the rest of the sea of white kids. Which is why girls of all race usually choose Chun li while playing street fighter 2 vanilla for the first time. Yes she is Chinese, but she looks more like me than ken or blanka because she is a woman

Hell, Brazilians LOVE blanka and nobody here is green =P
 
A character doesn't need to be specially Dominican or African or Brazilian for kids to feel represented.

It just need to look more like the kid than the rest of the sea of white kids. Which is why girls of all race usually choose Chun li while playing street fighter 2 vanilla for the first time. Yes she is Chinese, but she looks more like me than ken or blanka because she is a woman

Hell, Brazilians LOVE blanka and nobody here is green =P

Lol, I need proof. :p
 
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I got peoples with straight hair and green eyes in my family. "Ethnic" hair lol..

My twin nephews have blue eyes (well they were blue when they were born but they've been slowly turning gray. Which is the same as blue from a genetic inheritance stand point). My niece has green eyes.

My sister has light hazel eyes, I'm the boring one in the family with brown eyes. My siblings and I all have different hair textures, my brother is a solid 4C, I'm 4A and my sister is 3C.
 

Cyanity

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You've got people having a go at dominicans, cambodians, the japanese, all sorts in here. It's pathetic. The characters are obviously supposed to be broadly representative in order to be inclusive, and instead the Identity Politics brigade are in here policing who can and can't be represented. By Squid Children.

Yea, no. That's not what's happening in this thread. You're living in a fantasy world.
 

Izuna

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My twin nephews have blue eyes (well they were blue when they were born but they've been slowly turning gray. Which is the same as blue from a genetic inheritance stand point). My niece has green eyes.

My sister has light hazel eyes, I'm the boring one in the family with brown eyes. My siblings and I all have different hair textures, my brother is a solid 4C, I'm 4A and my sister is 3C.

I was apparently born with blue eyes. Never though that story was even half-true until your anecdote. Maybe it's possible. Still don't believe it though, haha.

Should show up in my 23andme report
 
I didn't.

The whole first page of the thread is full of similar posts, and I was speaking for those who were arguing against that specific representation. You're the one who decided to adopt an extreme stance FOR me, and run off about it.

I'm not going to speak on any other ethnicity because i don't feel like I have the right to. Unlike some of you other most self-righteous posters in here, apparently.

You did:

If a developer really wanted to make a character "black", they could just include ethnic hair textures and slap literally any skintone options on that they wanted, and nobody would have to debate anything. Everything with brown/dark skin isn't "BLACK", please calm down.

unless you expect peple to think this isn't in direct response to the OP's use of "black." That first post of yours in this thread is plenty ridiculous all on its own; no one exaggerated how bad it was.

You rejected the definition of "black" you told people to look up, ignored the first sentence of the wikipedia page you linked to, and came into this thread with a list of what you think everyone else needed to abide to. You forever danced around giving a definition of what you thought "black" meant and complained that people called the black inklings "black" (which they are).

You've also already spoken for other ethnicities (multiple references to these southeast asians who you think are being excluded):

When it comes to "black" characters, if the only feature they have in common is the skintone...that could be "black", or black with a wig / perm...or it could just be one of the very many southeast Asian ethnicities that naturally have brown skintones?????

all while ignoring a southeast asian poster who's asking you not to speak for southeast asian people

My post wasn't about it being exclusionary, it was about it possibly being inaccurate, which is bound to cause some people to feel like its inclusive and other to feel like it isnt.

"Black people" is bound to be exclusionary when it's used over the internet and the context isn't well defined, because internet context is never well defined. It depends on the community. But that's just how language works.

"Black people" isn't "inaccurate." You could say it's vague, imprecise, general, etc. It being general means that these black squid could represent people southeast Asian. they could represent those of Australian Aboriginal descent. They could be Cambodian, even if your Cambodian friends don't identify as black.

If it you purport to be aware of how this changes based on context, then why would you barge into the thread to tell everyone using black in this instance that they're wrong? again, this bs part of your first post here:
If a developer really wanted to make a character "black", they could just include ethnic hair textures and slap literally any skintone options on that they wanted, and nobody would have to debate anything. Everything with brown/dark skin isn't "BLACK", please calm down.

If you're so enlightened about the intricacies of language around the world, why take offense at people saying these squid are black, particular in response to people saying they somehow can't be black, and are instead tan, or ganguro japanese people/squid mutants? Again, if you're so intellectually transcendent, how is that you can't wrap your head around the OP using black to describe their skin tone rather than assign a particular nationality to them (which did not happen in this thread)?

Nah...that's just you my dude.


Too little reading, too much assuming. I'm done with this thread

If someone enters the thread and feels like it was talking about them, that's what the post was for.

If it applies to multiple ethnicities by default....then i really don't know what the back and forth is for.

From your first post in the thread, third time's the charm, once more with feeling:

If a developer really wanted to make a character "black", they could just include ethnic hair textures and slap literally any skintone options on that they wanted, and nobody would have to debate anything. Everything with brown/dark skin isn't "BLACK", please calm down.

That post about "tentacle cornrows" is making fun of your "ethnic hair textures" comment. There's no way to interpret your post other than "unless they have ethnic hair, they can't be black" as if there's one type of hair texture for black people, in one place or all over the world.

Just ... hypocrisy for days out of you in just a few pages. You complain about people dictating what these squid kids are for others, while you yourself are trying to control what "black" means. You say you won't speak for other ethnicities after doing just that. You tell people to go outside and interact with other people when you have clearly shown you are incapable of doing that yourself. You desperately need some self-reflection, my man.


However, I do want to thank you for recusing yourself from all future discussion about race/nationality/etc. You are doing a massive favor for everyone, and the world outside this thread.
 
My twin nephews have blue eyes (well they were blue when they were born but they've been slowly turning gray. Which is the same as blue from a genetic inheritance stand point). My niece has green eyes.

My sister has light hazel eyes, I'm the boring one in the family with brown eyes. My siblings and I all have different hair textures, my brother is a solid 4C, I'm 4A and my sister is 3C.

Same with me. Oldest brother is charcoal black. The rest are lighter than a brown paper bag..I'm the bag 😁

Son had light blue eyes until he was two..weird shit.
 
Ah the ol "ethnic hair" argument. Never fails to be invoked by people who have the most tenuous grasp on genetics.

Same with me. Oldest brother is charcoal black. The rest are lighter than a brown paper bag..I'm the bag ��

Both my brother and sister are lighter than me, I'm lighter than my mother. My dad is like middle traffic light yellow lmao.

My mom is Dominican but apparently going by this thread she isn't black because reasons (spoiler alert...she's black)
 
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I wasn't asking for what people actually understand "black" to mean. I was curious what strange, limited definition you're going by. Going by google—which I have access to just like you do—it does not preclude dark skinned people of African or Aboriginal Australian ancestry.

Then... I guess I'm black now?

If black is brown and brown are black, then I guess I have to take back all my accusations and impotent... Offendness? Slightedness? Whatever the word would be.

I was raised under the impression that all black people fell under brown, but not visa versa. So saying 'ambitiously brown' was being inclusive of all of them and the other was being exclusive.

Some people in this thread won't accept anything other than tentacle cornrows (which I'd also be oaky with tbh)

Cornrows have always been my my default video game hairstyle unless maybe there's a nice undercut or slickback available, ever since I made my latino saints row 2 character, most games just not being able to do other hair well didn't help. So I'd take any character with cornrows if I can, long/ponytail cornrows preferably.
 

Platy

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Lol, I need proof. :p

That we love blanka or that we are not green ? xD

When a magazine opened a poll on the web to decide who was the "biggest brazilian of all time" ... and guess who was amongst the most voted ?

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Here is a paper protesting the elections with Blanka as the presidential candidate

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Although Blanka was well received by Brazilian gamers, Capcom was criticized for its depiction of Brazil. Capcom producer Yoshinori Ono, surprised when told that Blanka is popular among Brazilians, apologized for the poor impression of the country given by the character.[49] When the Brazilian program Custe o Que Custar asked people in Spain who the best-known Brazilians were, Blanka ranked third (after Gisele Bündchen and Pelé).[50] In 2009, after Rio de Janeiro was chosen to host the 2016 Summer Olympics, an internet meme spread making Blanka the games' unofficial mascot.[51] A 2012 meme said that O Maior Brasileiro de Todos os Tempos, the Brazilian version of 100 Greatest Britons, had chosen Blanka the "Greatest Brazilian of All Time".[52]

So yeah .. blanka sux, but blanka is in our hearts
 

Principate

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Then... I guess I'm black now?

If black is brown and brown are black, then I guess I have to take back all my accusations and impotent... Offendness? Slightedness? Whatever the word would be.

I was raised under the impression that all black people fall under brown, but not visa versa. So saying 'ambitiously brown' was being inclusive of all of them and the other was being exclusive.



Cornrows have always been my my default video game hairstyle unless there's a nice undercut or slickback ever since I made my latino saints row 2 character, most games just not being able to do other hair well didn't help. So I'd take any character with cornrows if I can, long/ponytail cornrows preferably.
Black has never been a specific shade, even if your just about talking just about african's and aboriginals the difference is vast. You either claim to be it or people treat you like it but it's never been an exclusive term. Quite the opposite really. It's why in some cultures you have shit like the one drop rule.
 
It always amazes me how the most phenotype diverse group in the world ALWAYS gets pigeonholed into this narrow/small box of what they can/are expected to look like by one of the least phenotype diverse groups by way of linking fucking dictionary terms and reducing them to having a specifc trait of "ethnic hair".

I don't really drink much but I suddenly understand the allure of it.
 
Kind of in disbelief on this thread.

I just want to commit myself to the dinosaurs with shells, and toadstools team. Down with humans in Mario kart [and their baby forms, and their metal variants].
 
Then... I guess I'm black now?

If black is brown and brown are black, then I guess I have to take back all my accusations and impotent... Offendness? Slightedness? Whatever the word would be.

I was raised under the impression that all black people fell under brown, but not visa versa. So saying 'ambitiously brown' was being inclusive of all of them and the other was being exclusive.



Cornrows have always been my my default video game hairstyle unless maybe there's a nice undercut or slickback available, ever since I made my latino saints row 2 character, most games just not being able to do other hair well didn't help. So I'd take any character with cornrows if I can, long/ponytail cornrows preferably.

I'll go out on a limb and say no one using black to describe people with dark skin around the world is directly or indirectly being exclusive, and there are plenty of places around the world where having dark/darker skin compared to the general population means you're black.

And having cornrows as an option is fine—having more options for players is what this thread was celebrating. The more tentacle-hairstyles in this Splatoon 2/MK8D, the better.
 

Nepenthe

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Kind of in disbelief on this thread.

I just want to commit myself to the dinosaurs with shells, and toadstools team. Down with humans in Mario kart [and their baby forms, and their metal variants].

Please. It's all about the Koopas. If you see an Iggy in a Gold Kart online, know you're about to get rekt by me.
 
They're not dinos. They're turtles. D8< Yoshi is a dino.

OK, reptilianoids with shells. I will agree to call them cats with shells if you will agree to it. The shelled people. Mutant rats. Whatever we can agree on as long as they have shells.

Yoshi's shell is so small. =( Poor Yoshi. [Down with humans in Mario Kart]
 

Nepenthe

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OK, reptilianoids with shells. I will agree to call them cats with shells if you will agree to it. The shelled people. Mutant rats. Whatever we can agree on as long as they have shells.

Yoshi's shell is so small. =( Poor Yoshi. [Down with humans in Mario Kart]

I will agree they have shells.

And poor Yoshi nothing. Have you thought about his abilities for a second? Dude's a beast. Walks along fuckin' chomping plants like they're nothing. Can flutter-run in the air. HE CAN EAT FIRE.

A Yoshi with a star is automatic Armageddon.

The I G G Y?

.....

Welp, guess I'm going back to maining Yoshi.
 

TheOGB

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Why can't these threads ever just be easygoing fun, like the classic "Knuckles isn't black" thread

And yes, this is a pretty neat tidbit, I'm very glad it finally happened. But after that first thread on this I think it would be cool to have Mr. Game & Watch in MK as well.
 
I think the OP started at A and jumped straight to Z by assuming the characters represent 'black' ethnicity.

Sometimes I sit and wonder why people drag colour in. This is one of those times and there really is no need. Imaginary Cephalopods being used to represent an ethnicity doesn't fit right and I don't understand those saying they will play them due to this representation. Before this thread I never associated the inklings with any race, why would I?

Forced representation is just as bad as none. Life isn't a Benetton advert. Games shouldn't be treated as one.
I missed this gem lol
 
I'll go out on a limb and say no one using black to describe people with dark skin around the world is directly or indirectly being exclusive, and there are plenty of places around the world where having dark/darker skin compared to the general population means you're black.

And having cornrows as an option is fine—having more options for players is what this thread was celebrating. The more tentacle-hairstyles in this Splatoon 2/MK8D, the better.

Yeah that's a new concept to me, it's something I simply never really heard of before this thread. And yeah more variety is always good if they at least try, I don't think even the remember the last non sports game I've played that had a decent fade, most games can't even get a simple buzzcut right.
 

Kwame120

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What's particularly heinous in 2017's edition is that the black inklings are optional inklings, not the only ones. So it's not only people being unable to relate to characters of a different skin-tone, but outright rejecting them even when their presence isn't at all aimed at them.

Hopefully this thread can steer itself back to being a celebration of Nintendo becoming more inclusive, without people popping up to deny it for no reason at all, using stawmen to disguise their points as embracing diversity.
 

Tagyhag

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This thread should stay open forever, it's weeding out all the dumbasses.


The REAL problem is that black people ain't as cool as white/Italians perception wise. When you think white/Italian criminals; there is an aura of yeah.. the cool factor. Black people; you'd associate with slums and ghettos, pimps, druggies and all the really negative associations (WHICH they've been dealt an unfair hand with). Mention Harlem and nothing really good comes out in relationship to the area. Racial stereotypes are deeply ingrained IMO. White america will find it hard to deal with the theme. I personally can't watch black porn.

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Of course! The character customisation tool in splatoon should lock out blue eyes when selecting black skin. Having squid hair is fine, tho!

I can't believe people are actually so dense. It's legitimately amazing.
But they do lock out blue eyes if you choose black skin
Since you can't select black skin only tanned, they let you pick blue eyes

GotYa! Lol man this thread
 

Kebiinu

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Yeah that's a new concept to me, it's something I simply never really heard of before this thread. And yeah more variety is always good if they at least try, I don't think even the remember the last non sports game I've played that had a decent fade, most games can't even get a simple buzzcut right.

That's what I was trying to tell you before with the whole 'Black is basically an umbrella term for PoC' debate. But everyone was arguing left and right, I thought you were just a troll with your initial responses. But I'm glad you're seeing things in a new perspective. Up until a few years ago, I kept claiming Brazilian when asked about my race; but now I claim black. I had to learn and educate myself on what blackness means, and what it means to me.

That's why topics like these are important. Through all the trash, there really is gold.


Lmao I've been going through that topic as I post in this one. People in that Clementine topic were jumping through all sorts of hoops to feign ignorance. Asian, white, tanned, not black though. Despite her parents looking black af, people assumed she was adopted. Then you had people who said they never even noticed LEE was black, throughout the story.

It's a bizarre, Twilight Zone of a topic.
 

Slayven

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The hoops and gymnastics people do to deny POC, women, and LGBTQ the tinest thing. Don't worry 99.3% all games will still star Roidson "I like women" McWhiteguy.
 

shiyrley

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Updating, probably missed something so fill me in

Official Alternative Facts List For This Thread
  • Black inklings aren't black, they're white tan inklings.
  • They look more like dark skinned asians than "afro people"
  • Another reason they can't be black is that they don't have ethnic hair
  • Despite Monolith being Nintendo, Elma doesn't count as a Nintendo character
  • Elma can't be black because (XCX spoilers)
    she's an alien
    but she can be Japanese
  • White people don't have privileges over black people
  • Games shouldn't try to have representation because they aren't a Benetton advert.
 
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