I always interpreted the off-world colonies allure push was to trick people to leave an overpopulated Earth to go into space and become indentured to corporations and live an even more miserable existence without the possibility to return.
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Blade Runner 2049 Official Trailer
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I always interpreted the off-world colonies allure push was to trick people to leave an overpopulated Earth to go into space and become indentured to corporations and live an even more miserable existence without the possibility to return.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
If so many people are noticing that the world looks different (cleaner seems to be the agreed-upon adjective here) and it's that obvious from a watch (and re-watch) of the trailer, it probably stands to reason it's a purposeful decision.
A lot of people are commenting on it like it was a slip-up or a mistake or something that got past someone somewhere, which I don't think is all that likely considering it's Villenueve & Deakins.
So, if we assume the look is intentional, it stands to reason they intended it to look that way for a reason. And if there was a storytelling reason for why everything looked like it did in Blade Runner, I've gotta imagine Villenueve & Deakins have a reason for making the things look like they do.
I guess there's a possibility the reason is nothing more than "We like it better this way," But I gotta imagine—especially considering how thoughtful both artists are about their visuals and what they say and how they communicate to the viewers—that there's more to it than that.
I like the look. I think it's striking. I think the fact it isn't exactly Syd Mead's almost 40 year old pre-production art is a good thing. I'm curious to see what their reasoning is for why this world looks this way now.
But I figure if everyone can make the A-B comparison this quickly from a 2 minute commercial, that there's something to it beyond the superficial recognition of a difference.
A lot of people are commenting on it like it was a slip-up or a mistake or something that got past someone somewhere, which I don't think is all that likely considering it's Villenueve & Deakins.
So, if we assume the look is intentional, it stands to reason they intended it to look that way for a reason. And if there was a storytelling reason for why everything looked like it did in Blade Runner, I've gotta imagine Villenueve & Deakins have a reason for making the things look like they do.
I guess there's a possibility the reason is nothing more than "We like it better this way," But I gotta imagine—especially considering how thoughtful both artists are about their visuals and what they say and how they communicate to the viewers—that there's more to it than that.
I like the look. I think it's striking. I think the fact it isn't exactly Syd Mead's almost 40 year old pre-production art is a good thing. I'm curious to see what their reasoning is for why this world looks this way now.
But I figure if everyone can make the A-B comparison this quickly from a 2 minute commercial, that there's something to it beyond the superficial recognition of a difference.
depths20XX
Member
The problem with it looking too clean isn't that it lacks film grain. It's about texture, set decoration, shot composition and mainly just design.
Here's a piece of concept art for Blade Runner 2049
Compare it with Syd Mead's work from the original.
I know neither actually represents what the movies look like, but it shows the amount of thought that went into the little details. And [that to me is representative of the difference in visuals between the two films.
Villeneuve's Blade Runner trailer shows little ambition visually. There's no spectacle to any of it. It's 2017, we can do anything with computers. I wanted to see Syd Mead's cityscapes fully realized in a way that made me feel like it was a real place, and I didn't get any of that from the trailer.
Yup. Feels like the sterile sets of the 90s Star Wars films.
Let's not go that far.
That's exactly why I didn't really feel much when watching the trailer despite the great staff on this film plus I don't really like old Harrison, Leto, or Gosling. I'll still watch but I'm keeping my expectations very low.
Ugh so disappointing.
The protagonists are so obviously one-dimensional "evil". Nobody was truly bad or good in Blade Runner. In many respects, Deckard could be seen as the bad guy.
And why WHHHYY did the producers of this allow Deckard, one of the coolest characters ever to be in SciFi, be on screen in a sequel looking like he just stumbled out his trailer with the clothes he came to work in?
The protagonists are so obviously one-dimensional "evil". Nobody was truly bad or good in Blade Runner. In many respects, Deckard could be seen as the bad guy.
And why WHHHYY did the producers of this allow Deckard, one of the coolest characters ever to be in SciFi, be on screen in a sequel looking like he just stumbled out his trailer with the clothes he came to work in?
If only. That is a great scene. If people think this is bad, I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Deckard isn't cool, he's a sweaty, inept, drunk piece of shit.
Inferno313
Banned
What are you even talking about? There's not enough narrative or character detail in this trailer to fairly claim any of these things.
Thank you! So many posters here concerned about getting "old grumpy" Ford when Deckard is the original "grumpy" Ford performance.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
"You ever tell anyone that? Your mother, Tyrell? They're implants. Those aren't your memories, they're somebody else's. They're Tyrell's niece's.
...okay, bad joke, I'm sorry. No, really, I made a bad joke. Go home, you're not a Replicant.
You wanna drink? I'll get you a drink."
—very cool dude and totally not a drunk fuckup, Rick Deckard.
...okay, bad joke, I'm sorry. No, really, I made a bad joke. Go home, you're not a Replicant.
You wanna drink? I'll get you a drink."
—very cool dude and totally not a drunk fuckup, Rick Deckard.
Deckard was not supposed to be cool. He is a incompetent drunk. Deckard is the opposite of Han Solo or Indiana Jones. He is a self-doubting introvert.
Yep. But even when he was, he looked interesting. Not wearing a Gap heather T-shirt and bad hair. They had so many opportunities to do something cool with him but they chose...nothing. It literally looks like HARRISON FORD just walked out of his trailer.
FriendlyGoat
Member
Have you seen any of Villeneuve's previous films? Clearly delineated good/bad guys is, like, the exact opposite of what he does.
Inferno313
Banned
Story should always come before "coolness"
it makes perfect sense for the story direction they're taking deckard in, a washed-up old hermit, for him to be lazing about in casual wear.
It's not like t-shirts are going away in 30 years.
The bottom line he was always an interesting character not only in his actions but in his presentation as well. Here there seems to be zero effort put forth and it looks pathetic.
Also, the rape.
Inferno313
Banned
Again, costume design's purpose is always to support the narrative of all else. Maybe 'pathetic' is the point, going by Deckard's role here.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Inferno313
Banned
he's just so cool.
My take on it is that this look is more of a contemporary view of a dystopian future, in the same way as the original's look was a product of that time. Aping the old look would in my opinion be disingenuous, you would have to take a retro futuristic approach "How would the future look in the 80s?". It would feel more like fan service than anything else. The movie has to stand on it's own, it's look and it's themes have to be relevant today. 30 years have past in both worlds, I think the movie should reflect that.
No I'm not talking about wardrobe and I'm not talking being "cool" just for the sake of being cool. I'm talking about all the aspects of presentation - which would include setting, lighting, etc. When I say what the producers/director did here is pathetic, I mean it's lazy, low-effort and missed opportunities with an interesting character. And yes, it is in fact possible to be "cool" or badass and still be complex, drunk and morally flawed.
NealMcCauley
Member
IMO the grit and grime of the first seems like something no one wants to clean up, while 2049's looks like there's no one to clean it up. There's a stillness to everything that's kinda haunting to me.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I'm pretty sure you have zero clue what the fuck it is you're attempting to talk about right now, man.
Did you seriously just mean "I don't like that he's wearing a T-shirt?"
Because if that's all there is to it, that's fine. You can just say that. You don't need to artificially gussy the shit up to make it sound more thought out than that. That way you don't end up trying to argue that Deckard was a cool badass in the first movie despite his being very much not that, or trying to argue that Villenueve, Deakins, and his production team are somehow "lazy and low-effort"
It's definitely not as bad as those films. It can start to feel like it though when you compare it to the original like a previous post did.
The most interesting parts of the trailer for me were the places outside the city both visually and from a world building standpoint. We never got to see what happened to the rest of the world in the first film. But even those shots suffer a bit from some obvious CG work.
depths20XX
Member
Yes, because I said identical.
TheWrathOfSean
Member
The rooftop shot you posted is very stiff. Wouldn't say sterile, but everything lines up too perfectly. It's a cg green screened set. Because that's just how things are done now.
LegendofDragoonLives
Member
This looks like the best and most unique movie of 2017. I have no idea what the other people complaining are looking at, but then again I never saw the original. I will soon enough. The visuals and style of this movie already put this as my 2nd must see movie of 2017.
Into the Light
Banned
Every movie thread:
Elation
Trepidation
Abhorrence.
Every single movie thread, every time.
Do you guys just not like anything? Did any of you forget how to love? I dont understand some of you.
I swear man every thread.
Elation
Trepidation
Abhorrence.
Every single movie thread, every time.
Do you guys just not like anything? Did any of you forget how to love? I dont understand some of you.
I swear man every thread.
what did you like about the trailer?
Inferno313
Banned
Everything? Looks fantastic. Everyone making this film is incredible at what they do.
Into the Light
Banned
The music.
The style.
The colors.
The cinematography.
The nostalgia feels it gave me.
Ryan Gosling looking like hes acting his ass off. I mean my god man.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
What does that even mean? It's a still picture.
How are you looking at that image and coming to that conclusion?
Graphics Horse
Member
Everyone knows physical set designers can't make things with parallel lines in them
Chained Prometheus
Member
Yup. This film looks incredible.
I love the original film too, but it's not the End All, Be All of filmmaking.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
No human could top roofs like this rooftop is topped.
This is the work of dastardly computers.
Inferno313
Banned
the fuck does it even matter if it is a green screened CG set? A good filmmaker uses all the tools available to them. I'm sure a number of your favorite movies used green screen out the ass, and you didn't even realize.
Zodiac being one of those.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Blade Runner being another.
TheWrathOfSean
Member
It's just one of those things that sticks out to me.
If it was any movie, I think pretty much everybody would be ok with it, but it is Blade Runner. And Blade Runner has a very iconic style and look and this trailers looks nothing like it. Actually it is visually closer to A.I. than to the original Blade Runner.
And you could keep the spirit of the movie alive. Even Westwood was able to do that with a game during a time, where technology was nowhere near as advanced as today. Blade Runner is filthy and terrible and nobody in the original movie was a great person. People and androids tried to survive and that is what made the movie special.
The trailers looks beautiful, but that is somehow the problem, it should not look like this.
Holy shit those ground textures LOL. I've literally seen better texture quality in PS3 games. Lucas was really insane to try this back in 2003.
