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[NoKisum]

Guys.

It's clearly viral marketing.

Rockstar is jumping through hoops to demonstrate that Chinatown Wars' drug trafficking system (or an evolution of it) is coming back to GTA Online and/or GTA VI.

 

[Z..]

Just leaving this here:

I'm sorry, but using the ignore feature in a forum as strictly moderated as gaf just comes off as excessive... Do you really need to edit your reality to be comfortable?

 

[wildfire]

Now that's what you call DLC.

For once they are offering good value for On the Disc DLC.

Capcom should take notes.

 

[Z..]

I mean, there's shit in GTA5 that made me uncomfortable as a goddamn adult. I'm not sure I'd let my kids play out scenes of literal torture. but you do you

If my childhood is anything to go by there's bound to be some kids at school spreading around copies of A Serbian Film or the Guinea Pig movies (or something else to similar effect). Hell, a kid in my (at the time) 12 YO cousin's class got suspended a few years back for spreading that 3 guys 1 hammer video of the Dnepropetrovsk maniacs slowly murdering a senior citizen by repeatedly stabbing him with a screwdriver around school so I wouldn't worry about it, they'll be exposed to much harsher scenes of torture and gore than anything Rockstar could ever throw at them. There's ALWAYS going to be a kid like that around.

 

[Weltall Zero]

You know, it's possible to both believe that:

1). Video games don't automatically make kids violet criminals

and

2). 11 year olds should not be playing GTAV

and not be a hypocrite or Jack Thompson.

GTAV was particularly graphic. It's one of the first game where I truly felt like "I don't think I'd let my kid play this game..." The terrorism torture mission, the very first introduction of Trevor, it's just things that kids should not be playing. A meth-addicted woman getting used by an abusive drug dealer while her meth-head boyfriend gets kicked in the head by you, the player is like ... too much. There's even more in there that I don't think an 11 year old should handle. Not things like running down cartoon-depictions of people in a car or even shooting guns out the windows at virtual targets or blowing up FBI helicopters with rocket launchers. Adult concepts like rape, realistic depictions of drug addictions, fairly explicit depictions of hard drug use, an obviously innocent person being tortured by the player with no way to skip the mission in order to do something that you know is wrong. As an adult I get it, and I get that GTAV is almost a parody of itself. But it's something that I don't think a young child (someone under 13 or 14) should really be experiencing in "game" form.

I always had the perspective of... My parents let me play Doom, Mortal Kombat, Duke Nukem, etc., which were the offensive games du jour, things that Hillary Clinton, Joe Lieberman, and Parents Entertainment Council were harping day in and day out were horrible and turning kids into monsters, and I became an upstanding member of society. So, I've always thought, "eh, kids are always more mature than we think they are..." But... playing GTAV as a 30 year old, I thought to myself "this is too graphic." The things about running over cops or going to a strip club, I'm like, whatever, they're cartoonish depictions that are way over the top and they're the first things I tried to do in games like "Driver," as a 13 or 14 year old. But the mission content in the game is really, really mature.

That said, 11-year-old here is probably going to be playing GTA Online. I think the allure of GTA Online is much greater than the allure of the main story mode for most 11-year-olds. GTA Online, surprisingly, is a lot more tame than the main game. Sure, you're involved in drug hits and Lester is a creep, but there's nothing abhorrently anti-social about the game like the single player, which I think cross the line into "eh... this is pretty bad..." territory. I don't think I'd let me 11 year old play it. Maybe 14.

Requoting for truth. For some reason this is a topic where rationality and shades of gray get thrown out of the window here on GAF, and if you're not OK with kids playing any one game, then apparently you're a Jack Thompson fan that thinks playing GTA for five minutes will brainwash you into Charles Manson.

I mean, it's not like videogames are special; there are movies I don't think kids should watch, comics they shouldn't read, and so on and so forth. I very much doubt parents here would take their kids to watch Hostel, or buy them Crossed, so why are videogames any different?

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Pack-ins getting extreme

I'm sorry, but using the ignore feature in a forum as strictly moderated as gaf just comes off as excessive... Do you really need to edit your reality to be comfortable?

If you know that someone frequently has little of value to say but likes to post a lot in the types of threads you read, it can cut down on the noise

 

[Big Nikus]

I mean, it's not like videogames are special; there are movies I don't think kids should watch, comics they shouldn't read, and so on and so forth. I very much doubt parents here would take their kids to watch Hostel, or buy them Crossed, so why are videogames any different?

Because they are projecting into their kids. "I did it and I turned out fine!"
Well, good for you. Doesn't mean it's good parenting.

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

I'm sorry, but using the ignore feature in a forum as strictly moderated as gaf just comes off as excessive... Do you really need to edit your reality to be comfortable?

lol edit your reality... okay guy

 

[Thorrgal]

These preorder bundles are getting ridiculous.

Win

 

[GodfatherX]

You know who knows rather if this 11 year old is ready for GTA 5 maturity on content?
The mother

You know who knows that not checking a game case and then selling a copy containing meth is a bad thing?
Every fucking body

And not that it being weed would be ok, but it being meth makes it worse

Edit: apparently this is a thread were we joke about bad game practices

At least she didn't pay for the glass pipe season pass

 

[Spukc]

If your eleven years old kid is old enough for gta
Your eleven years old kid is old enough for meth.

 

[Cipherr]

I'm sorry, but using the ignore feature in a forum as strictly moderated as gaf just comes off as excessive... Do you really need to edit your reality to be comfortable?

Its not excessive at all.

Fact of the matter is, some people are annoying and add nothing to discussion. And there's a minority that are SO bad that they actually take AWAY from discussion. Ignore is very useful for these people. A better question would be why do YOU care? Is your desire for an audience/attention so strong that it bothers you to think that people may be ignoring you in large numbers and you don't even know it?

No? Then maybe we should just let people browse the internet how they want to instead of trying to make calls on their character/person from afar.

lol edit your reality... okay guy

It's such a ridiculous sentiment man. I can just see people like that screaming at pedestrians on sunny days for wearing sunglasses to avoid annoyingly bright sun rays.

"Whats wrong! Are you REALLY editing your reality on such a beautiful day!?"

 

[Toparaman]

GTAV was particularly graphic. It's one of the first game where I truly felt like "I don't think I'd let my kid play this game..." The terrorism torture mission, the very first introduction of Trevor, it's just things that kids should not be playing. A meth-addicted woman getting used by an abusive drug dealer while her meth-head boyfriend gets kicked in the head by you, the player is like ... too much. There's even more in there that I don't think an 11 year old should handle. Not things like running down cartoon-depictions of people in a car or even shooting guns out the windows at virtual targets or blowing up FBI helicopters with rocket launchers. Adult concepts like rape, realistic depictions of drug addictions, fairly explicit depictions of hard drug use, an obviously innocent person being tortured by the player with no way to skip the mission in order to do something that you know is wrong. As an adult I get it, and I get that GTAV is almost a parody of itself. But it's something that I don't think a young child (someone under 13 or 14) should really be experiencing in "game" form.

I kinda get where you're coming from. The writing in GTAV has a mean-spirited and misanthropic tone even by GTA standards. I find that tone more objectionable than the depictions of sex and violence.

It's a shame, because I think Vice City and San Andreas nailed the tone. I played Vice City at 12 and understood the satire and black-humor immediately. GTA V on the other hand is just plain shitty at times, partially because the Housers try way too hard to do serious social commentary, and suck at it.

 

[Kthulhu]

Of course it's Florida.

 

[PtM]

You know who knows rather if this 11 year old is ready for GTA 5 maturity on content?
The mother

She knows jack shit

Spoiler

about GTA V, at least

.

 

[Z..]

Its not excessive at all.

Fact of the matter is, some people are annoying and add nothing to discussion. And there's a minority that are SO bad that they actually take AWAY from discussion. Ignore is very useful for these people. A better question would be why do YOU care? Is your desire for an audience/attention so strong that it bothers you to think that people may be ignoring you in large numbers and you don't even know it?

No? Then maybe we should just let people browse the internet how they want to instead of trying to make calls on their character/person from afar.

I care because it is increasingly pervasive and if normalized could detract from the potential a forum inherently holds. Also because people who engage in ignoring tend to wear the badge proudly, for some reason, which is weird.
What makes it bizarre for me is that it's happening here. I'd understand it anywhere else, but here on gaf it seems unnecessary and excessive. Filtering out differing opinions kind of defeats the point of a forum if you ask me, it's literally willful ignorance. If all it amounts to is, as you claim, merely removing clutter then ignoring it is completely neutral. It's funny that I'm being accused of essentially being obnoxious and invasive for merely questioning someone who's endorsing the act of ignoring. Am I imagining the irony?

It's such a ridiculous sentiment man. I can just see people like that screaming at pedestrians on sunny days for wearing sunglasses to avoid annoyingly bright sun rays.

"Whats wrong! Are you REALLY editing your reality on such a beautiful day!?"

Neogaf is very strictly moderated, hence my questioning of the practice here. Your analogy is completely moot since I have nothing against using such features whenever it's justifiable to do so, which is often the case on many loosely moderated web environments around, but using such a feature on Gaf specifically seems indicative of excessive sensitivity. In other words, to fit your analogy, you are wearing 2 pairs of sunglasses.

There's always going to be posts that make you wish you could electronically punch people, but if anything in such a highly controlled environment as gaf is bothering you to the extent that you have to actively ignore it then I'd argue there is a higher likelihood of the ignorer being of a fractious nature than it necessarily being justifiable.

 

[PtM]

Leave my fractious nature be, kthx.

 

[snowsabre93]

Alright, who's been letting Trevor Phillips package his "ultra-deluxe" copies of GTA V?

 

[canedaddy]

Meth aside.

What kind of a mother buys a game like GTA V for an 11 year old ?

A crappy, irresponsible one.

 

[uncleslappy]

As reported by Kotaku, a Florida mom...

Didn't even need to open the thread to know where this happened.

 

[MarveI]

Do you supervise him playing? That's one step further than most parents go when it come to T-M rated content and underaged children.

There are a ton of absentee parents who buy GTA or other violent games just to shut their kid up and play ignorant to the content known in the series. That is bad parenting. That is irresponsible parenting.

Anyway I'm not a parent but I'd like to think I wouldn't fall into the trap of trying to be my kid's buddy.

Well he doesn't understand English and doesn't play story mode. I do supervise him yes.
The only thing that I worry about is the impact ''shooters'' have. I don't see the side effects with him but then again it doesn't mean they aren't there. He mainly either plays parkour, stunt race or just free mode.

I've tried getting him to play Zelda, Mario etc. what I did at his age. But GTA5 is the only game he really loves and plays. It's weird.

 

[erawsd]

GTAV still very much features "cartoon violence", so I don't think there is any clear harm in an 11 year old playing it. I have young cousins who do nothing but play GTAV and they don't seem to be experiencing any mental trauma or added aggression.

The really shocking thing here is that the game actually has a manual.

 

[wenaldy]

Wtf is a mother buying GTAV for a 11 year old anyways?
I thought the meth was a pre-order bonus?

I was 11 years old when my mom bought me GTA3. No problem she said.

 

[Weltall Zero]

Because they are projecting into their kids. "I did it and I turned out fine!"
Well, good for you. Doesn't mean it's good parenting.

Not just projecting, it's a pileup of so many fallacies: anecdotal evidence, confusing correlation with causation, appeal to extremes, selection bias ("I played violent videogames and I'm a convicted murderer now")... Forget heightened agression, someone should study if playing violent videogames as a kid leads to failing utterly at logic.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

I care because it is increasingly pervasive and if normalized could detract from the potential a forum inherently holds. Also because people who engage in ignoring tend to wear the badge proudly, for some reason, which is weird.
What makes it bizarre for me is that it's happening here. I'd understand it anywhere else, but here on gaf it seems unnecessary and excessive. Filtering out differing opinions kind of defeats the point of a forum if you ask me, it's literally willful ignorance. If all it amounts to is, as you claim, merely removing clutter then ignoring it is completely neutral. It's funny that I'm being accused of essentially being obnoxious and invasive for merely questioning someone who's endorsing the act of ignoring. Am I imagining the irony?



Neogaf is very strictly moderated, hence my questioning of the practice here. Your analogy is completely moot since I have nothing against using such features whenever it's justifiable to do so, which is often the case on many loosely moderated web environments around, but using such a feature on Gaf specifically seems indicative of excessive sensitivity. In other words, to fit your analogy, you are wearing 2 pairs of sunglasses.

There's always going to be posts that make you wish you could electronically punch people, but if anything in such a highly controlled environment as gaf is bothering you to the extent that you have to actively ignore it then I'd argue there is a higher likelihood of the ignorer being of a fractious nature than it necessarily being justifiable.

I don't have anyone on ignore, but large blocks of pseudo-intellectual nonsense in a thread not even tangentially related are one example of the kinds of posters people put on ignore. They're unnecessary speed bumps. It's not about sensitivity, it's about not wasting time

 

[lupinko]

IIRC besides the totally not for kids stuff, the other appeal is that kids just like driving everywhere. I've read that in many articles and anecdotal posts on various boards.

 

[MBS]

Kid must've got his hands into the Trevor Collector's edition.

 

[theangrypirate]

People need to calm the fuck down on the mother buying this game for her kid. Just because you don't think your kid should play it doesn't mean nobody's child should. If you don't want your kid playing it thats ok, if you think your kid can handle it thats ok too. People are way to quick to impose their view of the world on others.

 

[KyleCross]

So does that mean druggies are going to start coming into GameStop's and opening every single case on the shelf on a daily basis? Working at GameStop about to get even worse...

 

[tsundoku]

waiting for the followup article where it was one of the parents' meth

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

People need to calm the fuck down on the mother buying this game for her kid. Just because you don't think your kid should play it doesn't mean nobody's child should. If you don't want your kid playing it thats ok, if you think your kid can handle it thats ok too. People are way to quick to impose their view of the world on others.

I'd bet folding money that kid's mom has no idea what's in that game

 

[Japanmanx3]

GameStop passing the L to the mom...

 

[Militant17]

Some of these posts. I'm a father who started playing GTA at around age 10, that does not mean my parents were right in letting me do so and it does not make it acceptable to let my child do the same. Jesus some parts of GTAV were too much for me let alone an 11 year old.

 

[theangrypirate]

I'd bet folding money that kid's mom has no idea what's in that game

Possibly. There are a lot worse things for your kids than GTAV though.

Spoiler

like meth

 

[KyleCross]

I wonder if this means if a game actually includes a manual (yes, they exist still, tho rare) GameStop employees are going to be ordered to throw them out when they check the disc.

 

[Thewonandonly]

Damn GAF a person find six grams of meth in a game case, but this topic consist of people bitching. Like come the fuck on an think a fucking little. My step dad bought me GoW 3 when I was 12 an I'm still fucking fine not more aggressive or a fucking sex addicict. Like fuck

Spoiler

Thats sarcastim dawgs I'm preety mellow but can we talk about the drugs and make more jokes that's why I came to this thread not to see a high horse race

 

[Iorv3th]

Working at gamestop in the past I have found polaroid pictures of girlfriends and weed behind instruction booklets. Had my at the time assistant manager take in and sale a ps2 in the same day, the guy that bought it walked right back in and wanted to swap it out because it had a gay porn dvd in the disc drive (the slim ps2).

You know who knows rather if this 11 year old is ready for GTA 5 maturity on content?
The mother

No she doesn't. Have you ever worked at gamestop or a retailer and dealt with kids this age or younger where their moms have to buy them these games after you explain the M rating to them? I have. Most moms just want their kids to shut up and leave them alone and think "it's only a video game".

"Oh my son just blocks out the bad stuff and knows to turn the cursing off".....

 

[Thewonandonly]

Working at gamestop in the past I have found polaroid pictures of girlfriends and weed behind instruction booklets. Had my at the time assistant manager take in and sale a ps2 in the same day, the guy that bought it walked right back in and wanted to swap it out because it had a gay porn dvd in the disc drive (the slim ps2).





No she doesn't. Have you ever worked at gamestop or a retailer and dealt with kids this age or younger where their moms have to buy them these games after you explain the M rating to them? I have. Most moms just want their kids to shut up and leave them alone and think "it's only a video game".

"Oh my son just blocks out the bad stuff and knows to turn the cursing off".....

Damn free weed an u get a discount on games :O I'm working at gamestop

 

[LambdaTeos]

Sure, but how many of us played GTA games at that age? I did. Or at least before 17.

I didn't, because I was poor

 

[Spman2099]

To all you defending the 11 year old kid playing GTA, wtf?

Better to play it while supervised, as the game is being explained by a parent, in the home than played at a friends house with another ignorant child. That is just good parenting (as opposed to closing your eyes, covering your ears, humming, and pretending your children aren't going to encounter this kind of content on their own).

 

[quesalupa]

Of course it's Florida.

 

[Ban Puncher]

 

[Thewonandonly]

Damn to afford all that coacain u must make bank at GameStop :O

 

[bigdaddygamebot]

Sure, but how many of us played GTA games at that age? I did. Or at least before 17.

Doesn't even remotely make it right. A parent allowing their 11 year old to play any GTA game is on the road to being; if not already a shit parent.

 

[akira28]

Trevor edition, eh?

Collector's item.

 

[ref]

GTAV still very much features "cartoon violence", so I don't think there is any clear harm in an 11 year old playing it. I have young cousins who do nothing but play GTAV and they don't seem to be experiencing any mental trauma or added aggression.

The really shocking thing here is that the game actually has a manual.

I was playing much worse around 11, and I am afraid to even hurt a bug... let alone be influenced by anything in that game.

I guess not everybody is the same though.

People need to calm the fuck down on the mother buying this game for her kid. Just because you don't think your kid should play it doesn't mean nobody's child should. If you don't want your kid playing it thats ok, if you think your kid can handle it thats ok too. People are way to quick to impose their view of the world on others.

Well said.

 

[GamerJM]

My parents wouldn't let me play GTA at that age.

That being said....they would like a year or two later, and they were more uptight than all of my friends' parents. And they let my youngest sister play M-rated games when she was like 8.

Also lmao at these Breaking Bad pics.

 

[Spman2099]

Doesn't even remotely make it right. A parent allowing their 11 year old to play any GTA game is on the road to being; if not already a shit parent.

Seems like an ignorant, overly presumptuous remark. Unfortunately, topics like these seem to draw remarks like yours.

 

[TheFatMan]

Haha. Man, all you people using the "I did such and such at 11 and I turned out fine" are building your straw man argument up real good.

GTAV contains some shit no 11 year old is ready to process. Drug use, extreme violence, nudity, sex, torture, lots of swearing.....most of these things in sets of two or three at a time haha.

Sure not every kid is gonna turn out bad seeing this shit. But I also work around kids this age every day that I see using racial slurs, calling girls bitches and thinking it's cool to do drugs and drink.

I promise you they aren't picking up those habits playing Super Mario.

 

[ref]

Haha. Man, all you people using the "I did such and such at 11 and I turned out fine" are building your straw man argument up real good.

GTAV contains some shit no 11 year old is ready to process. Drug use, extreme violence, nudity, sex, torture, lots of swearing.....most of these things in sets of two or three at a time haha.

Sure not every kid is gonna turn out bad seeing this shit. But I also work around kids this age every day that I see using racial slurs, calling girls bitches and thinking it's cool to do drugs and drink.

I promise you they aren't picking up those habits playing Super Mario.

So it must be from the video games they play, not the environment they are raised in, who they hang out with, and any other outside factors....

Not a really strong argument either.