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[RichiRamjag]

Is this the same with the first game?

Yes.

 

[Ullus]

This will be the first battle.net (blizzard app) game to not use dedicated servers right?

 

[Rudimental]

The division also had no dedicated servers on PC. Cheaters were very happy about that.

The Division has always had dedicated servers on PC.

 

[Ducktail]

Well, I won't be buying it then. Hasta

 

[Morinaga]

Well not a surprise considering its an activision game. Complicated topology my ass.

 

[jelly]

I'm guessing it's either Destiny didn't do enough in Activision's eyes to get dedicated servers profit wise or Bungie didn't bother to design the game for dedicated servers.

 

[cripterion]

Is not open world either.

Destiny 2 is open world?

 

[Goldenhen]

Will suck a lot for Australian gamers because most of the residential plan from ISP have only 1Mbps upload speed unless they are on NBN.

 

[Mechanized]

Sucks for multiplayer, doesn't really matter in PVE though.

 

[CryptiK]

The main concern is player connection issues and ddosing will be fairly easy to do in PVP.

 

[Grief.exe]

😬😬😬😬😬

The division also had no dedicated servers on PC. Cheaters were very happy about that.

You're conflating two separate issues.

 

[HowZatOZ]

Will suck a lot for Australian gamers because most of the residential plan from ISP have only 1Mbps upload speed unless they are on NBN.

And it isn't even real NBN either. Oh the joy.

 

[hypernima]

Is not open world either.

PvP is not open world. I am assuming most of the posters in this thread are speaking about Crucible/Trials stuff.

 

[Deleted member 325805]

Great, I love lag and disconnections.

 

[Raylan Targaryen]

This won't be a popular opinion but I don't mind given that it's 4v4. I've found that peer2peer really starts to show when it's 6v6-8v8.

Go play Gears 1 and say P2P doesn't matter in 4v4

or go back in time and play Gears 2 around launch.

 

[Uiki]

What a joke.

 

[Nabbis]

This is almost certainly about cost, not know-how.

That makes it worse. They determined it's better to fuck over the community that likes those features because they can get away with it. The game sells enough to easily make up for the cost.

 

[Sora the Cat]

Yup. I'm out. Sorry Bungie.

 

[DrROBschiz]

Is this the same with the first game?

Same as the first game seems to be a running theme with Destiny 2


Not that Im complaining super hard about it. I eat Destiny content up. Its not like we are swimming in great co op games this fall

 

[Raxus]

Considering it was on BNET I figured this was a given.

 

[feel]

Yuck.

"It’s important to us to maintain our quality standards for any experience or service we’re putting in front of our players, which represents a big investment of time and effort on our part, so this is not something we’re jumping into lightly."

Well ok then, sure.

 

[yuraya]

Why won't they just ask Blizzard to help out with everything? Its pretty clear at this point that both Bungie and Vicarious visions are too incompetent to handle a PC release. Blizzard could help them release it on time and do all this other stuff that shouldn't be missing.

 

[Carn82]

PvP is not open world

PvE isnt either. Bungie calls it a 'shared world shooter'. The game exists of bubbles (instances) players can drop in and out of. If you go to a different part in the 'world' you're basically matchmaking into a new bubble, but it's hidden throughout some Z-structured leveldesign.

 

[LiK]

Is this the same with the first game?

Sadly yes.

 

[Yohane]

Can you prevent cheating with P2P(PC)? Honest question

 

[Onemic]

PvE isnt either. Bungie calls it a 'shared world shooter'. The game exists of bubbles (instances) players can drop in and out of. If you go to a different part in the 'world' you're basically matchmaking into a new bubble, but it's hidden throughout some Z-structured leveldesign.

But what does that have to do with it being P2P? Bungie is not the first dev to make faux MMO games based on shared worlds and instances.

Can you prevent cheating with P2P? Honest question

no

 

[Lanrutcon]

Online only game without dedicated servers?

Lemme fix my PC's clock quick. It mistakenly says 2017.

 

[Kysen]

Overwatch had day one dedicated servers for all platforms. Bungie is just being lazy.

 

[Stranya]

Given the amount of money that Activision has, and that Destiny makes, isn't this a bit bloody cheap?

 

[Sheytan]

Does this mean no closed servers?, if it so then people will be able to cheat easily.

 

[Ocarina_117]

Initial gameplay hyped me.

Subsequent news has dampened my hype.

From day one PC to wait and see.

 

[Falchion]

Guess they don't want to make the PC version too OP.

 

[Grazzt]

It's Activision, not surprised

 

[pitchfork]

How many years did it take 'em to bring dedicated servers to CoD despite repeatedly insisting it was the 'premier' MP experience

No fucking surprise from Activision

 

[Iscariot]

This won't be a popular opinion but I don't mind given that it's 4v4. I've found that peer2peer really starts to show when it's 6v6-8v8.

I mean... It shows even in 1v1 in Destiny. Never before have I gotten so many simultaneous kills in a FPS as Destiny 1.

 

[jeffc919]

strike 1 - 30FPS on all consoles (again)
strike 2 - no dedicated servers (again)
strike 3 - looks like DLC for a 3 year old game

My interest level went from about a 7.5/10 down to 2. Destiny was about the only game I played for about a year but there are better games to play now.

 

[Yukinari]

The worst part is this game is still gonna make a disgusting amount of money and everyone in the review thread will gladly glance over this issue to defend Bungie.

 

[FLAguy954]

This won't be a popular opinion but I don't mind given that it's 4v4. I've found that peer2peer really starts to show when it's 6v6-8v8.

https://youtu.be/38sPNZ8QHO4

Watch this then tell me dedicated servers don't matter.

 

[Mub!]

ya blew it

 

[Complicated]

Given the amount of money that Activision has, and that Destiny makes, isn't this a bit bloody cheap?

This statement sums up Destiny since day 1. How much money can we squeeze out of people for the least amount of work?

 

[tuxfool]

Haha.

Garbage.

 

[Kthulhu]

How many years did it take 'em to bring dedicated servers to CoD despite repeatedly insisting it was the 'premier' MP experience

No fucking surprise from Activision

They still haven't.

 

[FLAguy954]

Initial gameplay hyped me.

Subsequent news has dampened my hype.

From day one PC to wait and see.

My thoughts exactly. Bungie/Activision is fucking crazy if they think PC gamers are going to be receptive to a late erase and p2p servers.

They're being cheap as fuck, plain and simple.

 

[Gator86]

Given the amount of money that Activision has, and that Destiny makes, isn't this a bit bloody cheap?

When the original makes bank and you announce a 30fps P2P 4 on 4 multiplayer sequel in 2017 to responses of "don't care, day 1!!!" why would you try?

 

[Stranya]

When the original makes bank and you announce a 30fps P2P 4 on 4 multiplayer sequel in 2017 to responses of "don't care, day 1!!!" why would you try?

Sad. It's not like the big review sites will call them out on it, either, even though they blatantly should.

 

[Kthulhu]

Sad. It's not like the big review sites will call them out on it, either, even though they blatantly should.

It's possible that recent low consumer confidence and the disappointing state of Destiny at launch will affect sales, but I doubt it.

 

[Orayn]

I think everyone is better off pretending Destiny PvP doesn't exist. Every possible version of it is hell.

Just don't hope for it to be good, in networking, balance, or any other area. It can't be.

 

[DalikSkywing]

WHAT?
Am I a time traveller?

 

[Kthulhu]

Online only game without dedicated servers?

Lemme fix my PC's clock quick. It mistakenly says 2017.

For Honor is P2P too.

 

[Carn82]

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