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[Backfoggen]

One of the best things about the Scorpio reveal is going to be that we don't have to see the dumb ♏️ again.

 

[VisualFidelity]

Here is to hoping we aren't given 4k with a compromise of lower graphical settings.

 

[gamz]

One of the best things about the Scorpio reveal is going to be that we don't have to see the dumb ♏️ again.

What if it's called Scorpio.

 

[MosquitoSmasher]

Hype rising!

I mean.......we're going from 720p/60fps'ish to native 4K/60fps, no doubt a very clean looking image with no aliasing and silky smooth. We are in for a treat fo sho!

In earlier tweets Jez said multiple games will be native 4K/60fps. My guess is the sports games, CoD...but what else? Sadly not Destiny 2. Imagine if Crackdown is one of them,...holy shit. Probably not.

Here is to hoping we aren't given 4k with a compromise of lower graphical settings.

DF spoke of native 4K with still room for visual improvements, but that was Forza though. No idea about other games.

 

[rokkerkory]

I hope Spencer comes out with the scorpio tattoo lol

Maybe he'll give everyone in the audience scorpio T shirts and swag

 

[Kibbles]

They really should. I mean it doesn't exactly make sense to call it Scorpio but screw making sense for an change them. Xbox One Scorpio sounds great and even MS guys themselves write things like Scorpion and beast. Go with it!

Here's the tweet from Jez by the way

https://mobile.twitter.com/JezCorden/status/869347167252746241

"I already know Battlefront II will run and look better on Scorpio than the VAST majority of PCs on Steam, native 4K @ 60 FPS."

Ultra settings 4k/60? 😭

 

[flkraven]

Prediction:
-Scorpio released in the first week or 2 of October
-Same day release date for Forza 7, Assassin's Creed Origins, and big Minecraft update (4K, infinite worlds, mod supports, realms - treated like a 'new' console Minecraft). Maybe bundles.
-$399.99 with no bundle (maybe 1 month of game pass)
-(maybe) $499.99 bigger hdd + game + 1 month game pass

Prediction looking good. Shadow of War delayed to October 10th, so I'm pegging that as the Scorpio release date. I'm a little less convinced that AC Origins releases on the same day though now that Mordor is there.

 

[gamz]

Prediction looking good. Shadow of War delayed to October 10th, so I'm pegging that as the Scorpio release date. I'm a little less convinced that AC Origins releases on the same day though now that Mordor is there.

Yep. Rather obvious now that's the release window.

 

[darkinstinct]

Ultra settings 4k/60?

In before crippled PC version because of parity clause. Of course it's going to be on ultra settings, that's why he says "run and look better". Didn't Carmack once say that a console is comparable to a PC that is twice as fast? There aren't many PCs with 12 TF today.

 

[geordiemp]

What gives you the impression that this is where all the power is going? They've said 1080P owners will see benefits and that it is up to publishers/devs to decide how they want to use the extra horsepower.

-PS4 pro is just a more powerful PS4, but Scorpio being a more powerful PS4 Pro isn't good enough?
-Also, who is saying that the power differential all just being pumped into 4K?

Because Scorpio Jaguar CPU is 9,5 % faster than Pro Jaguar, there is little choice for most devs, these are still tablet CPU's.

Nine per cent.

9.

IV.

Pro and Scorpio have huge GPU bumps to get above 1080p, but thats it.

Did you know a 3 GHz Ryzen is 2.6 x faster than a Jaguar....?

Thats the gulf to a proper CPU. TF is not everything you know.

I have 2 Ps4 pro in the house, and was mainly interested in Scorpio if it could run games faster, which it cant and I was disappointed, but until we get a proper CPU in consoles there is no choice.

 

[flkraven]

Yep. Rather obvious now that's the release window.

I doubt they launch at the end of September since they want to load as many sales in a month as possible (numbers wise), and I doubt they wait until November since black Friday + big game releases should bolster it's sales regardless. Early October makes the most sense.

Bacause Scorpio Jaguar CPU is 9,5 % faster than Pro Jaguar.

Nine per cent.

9.

IV.

Pro and Scorpio have huge GPU bumps to get above 1080p, but thats it.

Did you know a 3 GHz Ryzen is 2.6 x faster than a Jaguar....?

Thats the gulf to a proper CPU. TF is not everything you know.

I don't know how this answers my question. I was stating that the console won't be solely focused on 4K and that there will be benefits for 1080P users. Does the CPU impact that?

Does that fact that it has 50% more memory have any impact?

fifty per cent.

50

Does the fact that it is a 50% improvement on the memory bandwidth over the PS4 Pro matter?

fifty per cent

50

Does the fact that it is a 45% improvement on the teraflop count over the next best console change anything?

forty five per cent

45

Or does that all mean turds because the CPU isn't as great as it could be? Is Phil Spencer lying when he says games are targeting 'Ultra High' PC settings? That Forza 7 is targeting 4K 60? That Scorpio is running this stuff with relative ease?

 

[MosquitoSmasher]

In before crippled PC version because of parity clause. Of course it's going to be on ultra settings, that's why he says "run and look better". Didn't Carmack once say that a console is comparable to a PC that is twice as fast? There aren't many PCs with 12 TF today.

Hmm...i hope you're right man. Because Jez does say vast majority of PCs and i wonder...does the vast majority of PC gamers have those games at Ultra?

 

[EvB]

Ultra settings 4k/60? 😭

Mainly because only about 30%of the PCs on the steam hardware survey can actually run BF1 at all

 

[Backfoggen]

What if it's called Scorpio.

What if it's called Xbox ♏️

 

[hanspampel]

Because Scorpio Jaguar CPU is 9,5 % faster than Pro Jaguar, there is little choice for most devs, these are still tablet CPU's.

Nine per cent.

9.

IV.

Pro and Scorpio have huge GPU bumps to get above 1080p, but thats it.

Did you know a 3 GHz Ryzen is 2.6 x faster than a Jaguar....?

Thats the gulf to a proper CPU. TF is not everything you know.

3GHz 8 core Ryzen is only 2.6 times faster than 2.3GHz 8 core Jaguar?
that's not much


but a 3.6GHz Ryzen is enough, to run Overwatch in 1080p at 300FPS

 

[CharminUltra]

I already sold my Xbox One in anticipation. Bring it!

 

[MosquitoSmasher]

Mainly because only about 30%of the PCs on the steam hardware survey can actually run BF1 at all

Yeah it's probably not at ultra settings. Now DF did say in their articles that Forza was native 4K with room for visual improvements but that's just Forza. Don't think something like BFII.

 

[geordiemp]

I mean.......we're going from 720p/60fps'ish to native 4K/60fps, no doubt a very clean looking image with no aliasing and silky smooth. We are in for a treat fo sho!

In earlier tweets Jez said multiple games will be native 4K/60fps. My guess is the sports games, CoD...but what else? Sadly not Destiny 2.

If a game is 30 on consoles now, it will be most likely 30 on Pro and scorpio.

If its a 60 FPS game now, it will same on Pro and Scorpio.

There maybe be a few games that make the 30 to 60 jump that were close to 60 anyway and capped at 30 because they were just shy.

3GHz 8 core Ryzen is only 2.6 times faster than 2.3GHz 8 core Jaguar?
that's not much

IPC is supposed to be around 1.7, so times that by the clock, and its per core. 30 to 60 is 2 x..... ...Does 160 % sound better ?

Multiplayer games are different (the overwatches, Battle field, BF etc), its games with big maps and lots of AI and stuff in them like Witcher 3 or Destiny or Red dead 2 etc that we will be stuck with 30 and lump it this gen

 

[Liabe Brave]

Everyone will get better graphics AND image quality on ALL games?

This isn't true. 16x AF is the only thing Scorpio applies automatically, and then only to unpatched games. In theory, a dev could have "Scorpio support" that didn't include 16x AF but not much else either, making it not universal. I know that sounds like a purely hypothetical situation, but devs have actually done it on PS4 Pro.

Well obviously get to see games soon, but downscaling to 1080p and AF seems to be a given across the board.

No. Downscaling will always happen for 1080p displays if the game is higher res, yes. But only patched games will actually be higher res, and they'll be in the minority.

Forza 6 which looked upgraded ran at 4k with plenty of headroom to spare.

Only the non-upgraded Forza demo had headroom. When most--but not all--the settings were turned up, there was no headroom left.

This is still being asked? After everything with the Dual Foundry stuff?

See above, for how many people still get things wrong, even though Digital Foundry was explicit.

Doesn't Scorpio's built-in supersampling mean that any games shooting for 4K automatically have benefits for 1080p owners as well?

Isn't that something that devs have to purposefully offer with PS4 Pro rather than being native to the hardware itself?

Yes to both questions. There are fewer than 20 Pro games with no downsampling, but it's definitely at dev discretion. And for some reason, they don't all offer it (some games are better off with no downsampling, but I think it should be a user choice anyway).

 

[LukasTaves]

Here is to hoping we aren't given 4k with a compromise of lower graphical settings.

It won't be. Even for games at 900p on xbone there some headroom for improving settings according Ms, specially if the developer uses common console tricks like rendering effects at a lower resolution than the rest.

 

[Okami Haundo]

I already sold my Xbox One in anticipation. Bring it!

I've been really torn on that idea. I love my One S and think I might keep it so I can have an Xbox upstairs. That being said, I can probably get about $200 for it that could go towards Scorpio. I'd just have to live with either moving it back and forth or only playing Xbox stuff on one TV...

 

[EvB]

Yeah it's probably not at ultra settings. Now DF did say in their articles that Forza was native 4K with room for visual improvements but that's just Forza. Don't think something like BFII.

Xbox One run Battlefield 1better than the vast majority of PCs on steam. That is what I was getting at.

Joking aside, there have been a few mentions of BF1 running really well on Scorpio.

 

[EvB]

Only the non-upgraded Forza demo had headroom. When most--but not all--the settins were turned up, there was no headroom left.

You mean that they haven't developed a way for that box to have infinite power and infinite headroom?

Power of the cloud?

 

[Venom.]

Still think the name will be XBox One X. Just makes too much sense now with the One S being entrenched already. X stands for extra or excess or whatever.

The Xbox One name is tainted because of the negativity associated with the launch (Xbone). Sony call the PS4 Pro a PS4 because they regard it as the same generation. The Scorpio is effectively a new-gen console and I think Microsoft would do we to give it a completely new name.

Also, to call it Xbox One would confuse casual gift buyers who may not see sufficient difference from the XBO. A new name and everybody knows it is the most powerful Xbox you can buy.

 

[gamz]

The Xbox One name is tainted because of the negativity associated with the launch (Xbone). Sony call the PS4 Pro a PS4 because they regard it as the same generation. The Scorpio is effectively a new-gen console and I think Microsoft would do we to give it a completely new name.

Also, to call it Xbox One would confuse casual gift buyers who may not see sufficient difference from the XBO. A new name and everybody knows it is the most powerful Xbox you can buy.

If they were worried about the One in the name Xbox One S wouldn't be called that.

 

[rokkerkory]

The Xbox One name is tainted because of the negativity associated with the launch (Xbone). Sony call the PS4 Pro a PS4 because they regard it as the same generation. The Scorpio is effectively a new-gen console and I think Microsoft would do we to give it a completely new name.

Also, to call it Xbox One would confuse casual gift buyers who may not see sufficient difference from the XBO. A new name and everybody knows it is the most powerful Xbox you can buy.

Where did MS said this was a new gen again?

 

[geordiemp]

The Xbox One name is tainted because of the negativity associated with the launch (Xbone). Sony call the PS4 Pro a PS4 because they regard it as the same generation. The Scorpio is effectively a new-gen console and I think Microsoft would do we to give it a completely new name. .

No its not a new generation, Scorpio would still be stuck running Witcher 3 at 30 FPS no matter what dev could do if they even wanted to.

This is the jaguar generation of consoles, 30 FPS games. Even most Pc's that only do 1080p can do 60 FPS where a Jaguar is stuck at 30. Your being over hyped, be realistic.

Anybody who is willing to shell out maybe almost double for a console with games over the cheapest option will most likely be an informed buyer (or a footballer lol)

 

[justsomeguy]

.
Also, to call it Xbox One would confuse casual gift buyers who may not see sufficient difference from the XBO.

Ps4 Pro

 

[Okami Haundo]

Also, to call it Xbox One would confuse casual gift buyers who may not see sufficient difference from the XBO. A new name and everybody knows it is the most powerful Xbox you can buy.

What strange world do you live in where "casual" gift buyers are looking at $300-$500 gaming hardware? I'd like to befriend some of these people and get a free Scorpio this holiday.

 

[flkraven]

No its not a new generation, Scorpio would still be stuck running Witcher 3 at 30 FPS no matter what dev could do if they even wanted to.

This is the jaguar generation of consoles, 30 FPS games. Even most Pc's that only do 1080p can do 60 FPS where a Jaguar is stuck at 30. Your being over hyped, be realistic.

Anybody who is willing to shell out maybe almost double for a console with games over the cheapest option will most likely be an informed buyer (or a footballer lol)

I'm so silly. I could have sworn I played some 60FPS games on consoles. My bad!

 

[geordiemp]

I'm so silly. I could have sworn I played some 60FPS games on consoles. My bad!

If a game is 30 on consoles now, it will be most likely 30 on Pro and scorpio.

If its a 60 FPS game now, it will same on Pro and Scorpio.

Is it that hard to follow ? I played 60 FPS games on my Amiga in 1992, what is your point exactly ?

Do you think Pro and Scorpio running Red dead 2 at 30 FPS is worthy of a new gen, because they will struggling to run it any faster thats for sure ?

Why do you think its a new gen, its the same CPU and GPU's just clocked faster ?

 

[LukasTaves]

Also, to call it Xbox One would confuse casual gift buyers who may not see sufficient difference from the XBO. A new name and everybody knows it is the most powerful Xbox you can buy.

I think that's the point. They want you to think that Xbox one no matter which is the best place to play.

 

[flkraven]

If a game is 30 on consoles now, it will be most likely 30 on Pro and scorpio.

If its a 60 FPS game now, it will same on Pro and Scorpio.

Is it that hard to follow ? I played 60 FPS games on my Amiga in 1992, what is your point exactly ?

Do you think Pro and Scorpio running Red dead 2 at 30 FPS is worthy of a new gen, because they will struggling to run it any faster thats for sure ?

Why do you think its a new gen, its the same CPU and GPU's just clocked faster ?

Are you going to have an identity crisis if 30FPS Xbox One games run at 60FPS on Scorpio?

 

[hanspampel]

IPC is supposed to be around 1.7, so times that by the clock, and its per core. 30 to 60 is 2 x..... ...Does 160 % sound better ?

i have no problem with either term
it was just news to me, that the IPC of Ryzen is only 1.7 of Jaguar.
i thought the Jaguar cores were way weaker

Ryzen is 52% IPC improvement over Bulldozer
i just imagined the difference between Bulldozer and Jaguar was much larger

 

[geordiemp]

Are you going to have an identity crisis if 30FPS Xbox One games run at 60FPS on Scorpio?

No, I would buy 2, but its jaguar and its shit, so I gave up on that dream when specs were announced.

I was also disappointed with Pro, I desperately wanted games like Witcher 3 and GTA 5 being CAPABLE of 60 n a console, I dont want to build a PC.

Devs do not have a choice even if they want to. I look at the facts, but you can believe whatever you want.

i have no problem with either term
it was just news to me, that the IPC of Ryzen is only 1.7 of Jaguar.
i thought the Jaguar cores were way weaker

Well it was the best AMD could do, its not a total potato, but games running more than 2.6 x faster is a big gulf between Jaguar and I5 class CPU's. Remember 2.1 / 2.3 is slow for a PC class CPU as well as the 1.7 x.

 

[LukasTaves]

Only the non-upgraded Forza demo had headroom. When most--but not all--the settings were turned up, there was no headroom left.

You mean when they used all ultra settings but AA, that as DF showed can bring even a 1070 out of the 60fps flocked target there was no room left? And with the LOD setting even being past of ultra on PC?

I can live with that

 

[MosquitoSmasher]

What are valid reasons for MS to ask 499 and not 399? We know they are using some special new cooling tech in it but that's not it I assume? I mean there's also no Zen so what could it be?

 

[LukasTaves]

What are valid reasons for MS to ask 499 and not 399? We know they are using some special new cooling tech in it but that's not it I assume? I mean there's also no Zen so what could it be?

No reason that's why it's going to be $400

 

[geordiemp]

What are valid reasons for MS to ask 499 and not 399? We know they are using some special new cooling tech in it but that's not it I assume? I mean there's also no Zen so what could it be?

The ps4 pro is $ 399. Add

1. extra 4 GB of GDDR5 at higher clock
2. Extra vortex cooler / heat sink arrangement
3. Bigger chip at the more expensive 16 nm fab process will cost more
4. More complex board and pin layouts / assembly and production for that big bandwidth. 320 gb/s does cost more for the board and layout...

$ 499 would be perfectly reasonable IMO, but MS may subsidise the price, who knows ?

 

[Liabe Brave]

You mean when they used all ultra settings but AA, that as DF showed can bring even a 1070 out of the 60fps flocked target there was no room left? And with the LOD setting even being past of ultra on PC?

I can live with that

It's a great result, and Forza is going to look amazing on the console.

But yes, they turned down AA precisely because Scorpio couldn't handle it. Despite this, they claimed everything was turned all the way up. I had to figure out that AA wasn't based on other details. So it's actually unclear what else they may have been mistaken about.

The LOD setting is likely not meaningful, due to the primitive discard accelerator hardware added in Polaris. Culling happens anyway, keeping down the number of polys rendered.

 

[MosquitoSmasher]

The ps4 pro is $ 399. Add

1. extra 4 GB of GDDR5 at higher clock
2. Extra vortex cooler / heat sink arrangement
3. Bigger chip at the more expensive 16 nm fab process will cost more
4. More complex board and pin layouts / assembly and production for that big bandwidth. 320 gb/s does cost more for the board and layout...

$ 499 would be perfectly reasonable IMO, but MS may subsidise the price, who knows ?

Hmmm ok, yeah you got a point. I am willing to shell out 499 but 399 would be lovely. We should keep in mind that this is a year after Pro and Sony for sure will come with a price cut for Pro too.

 

[geordiemp]

Hmmm ok, yeah you got a point. I am willing to shell out 499 but 399 would be lovely. We should keep in mind that this is a year after Pro and Sony for sure will come with a price cut for Pro too.

And MS have more money than god lol. They can price it however they want, but under 499 and MS are being real nice IMO.

I can imagine the production volumes and buying components being lower as well compared to the stock consoles....

Not even counting the R&D and all the design and software work.

 

[peppers]

Xbox One Series 2 this is my official answer

 

[MosquitoSmasher]

And MS have more money than god lol. They can price it however they want, but under 499 and MS are being real nice IMO.

I can imagine the production volumes and buying components being lower as well compared to the stock consoles....

Not even counting the R&D and all the design and software work.

The one thing however is, I remember Spencer saying that they expect the majority to buy a One S if they want an Xbox and the Scorpio is for the die hard gamer that wants that extra bit of power. So it's aimed at a certain group of gamers. But I guess it's possible that they price it 399 and give the One S a nice price cut at the same time, so that the majority indeed goes for the S.

 

[Kibbles]

Yeah it's probably not at ultra settings. Now DF did say in their articles that Forza was native 4K with room for visual improvements but that's just Forza. Don't think something like BFII.

I'd rather have Ultra and 1440p or something than 4k. Even on my PC I do that with BF1 and can hardly tell any difference. But when you start dropping graphics presets it starts looking worse

 

[Okami Haundo]

The one thing however is, I remember Spencer saying that they expect the majority to buy a One S if they want an Xbox and the Scorpio is for the die hard gamer that wants that extra bit of power. So it's aimed at a certain group of gamers. But I guess it's possible that they price it 399 and give the One S a nice price cut at the same time, so that the majority indeed goes for the S.

You can currently get the Xbox One S "on sale" for $250 - $300 depending on the memory size. Interestingly, the latter pricing is on the 1TB and it "ends" the day before their conference.

I'm thinking that'll be the official pricing they stick with this fall which would give a 1TB "base model" Scorpio a $100 price gap at $400. If the One S comes with a game at $299 while Scorpio gives just the console for that price I think they'll be able to drive the perception that Scorpio is better.

 

[MosquitoSmasher]

I'd rather have Ultra and 1440p or something than 4k. Even on my PC I do that with BF1 and can hardly tell any difference. But when you start dropping graphics presets it starts looking worse

Hmm i see. In that case 1440p would be better. But we'll see. Sadly we probably won't know until the system actually has released because no way are we getting Scorpio footage before that.

 

[Strootman]

Xbox One X, $449

https://rectifygaming.com/exclusive...perience-for-scorpio-starting-with-4k-recore/

 

[gamz]

Xbox One X, $449

https://rectifygaming.com/exclusive...perience-for-scorpio-starting-with-4k-recore/

Site is down. What is it?

 

[MosquitoSmasher]

Xbox One X, $449

https://rectifygaming.com/exclusive...perience-for-scorpio-starting-with-4k-recore/

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