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Do you want crossplay on PS4? Make your voices be heard.

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binarymelon

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Muscle Wizard said:
I don't see this instance as "anti-consumer" because the only people it really affects are the owners of the other consoles with smaller player bases, who aren't customers of Sony and so aren't entitled to their business decisions benefiting them.
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PlayStation will become the smallest player base and it will only get worse as the incentive to choose one of the other unified platforms will be greater.

Edit: Everything has been moving towards being more PC-like the last few years so it's very clear where we're going and Sony is very clearly going to be on the wrong side of history here.
 
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ron_bato

Member
If all parties are down for cross-play, I don't see why it shouldn't be done other than another platform holding out for their own self-interests.

I'm all in on cross-platform play.
 
VlaudTheImpaler

VlaudTheImpaler

tl;dr
BADMAN said:
What the heck is all this anti crossplay stuff? If a developer wants to support crossplay then Sony should allow it. Where is the downside? Is this a stealth console war thing?
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Muscle Wizard

Banned
binarymelon said:
PlayStation will become the smallest player base and it will only get worse as the incentive to choose one of the other unified platforms will be greater.

Edit: Everything has been moving towards being more PC-like the last few years so it's very clear where we're going and Sony is very clearly going to be on the wrong side of history here.
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Only Microsoft is moving to be more PC-like because they completely failed to make it as a successful console. Sony is going stronger than even the PS2 era right now and have no reason to introduce crossplay. If they somehow start slipping in marketshare they might want to future-proof by allowing corssplay, but for right now they can only lose. For current projections, Microsoft is more likely to fold as a competing console than Sony.
 
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The Pet of the Month

Member
VlaudTheImpaler said:
Great job!. Letters are still powerful and mean a lot because they take more effort to actually make. Hopefully Sony see it this way as well.

I hope you don't mind, my wife ,who is a professional writer, was nearby and had a minute so I had her look it over in exchange for a neck-rub. She did some... light editing lol.
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Thanks man! And tell your wife I said thanks, too! Writing isn't easy, I remember when I used to write short stories, I would bring them to other writers and editors. They would then proceed to tear me a new one. It's frustrating, and it led me to actually cry once, but it made me a better writer. So I'll take all the help I can get!

Anyway, I'll post the letter early tomorrow morning. I'll throw in this picture I took, which reminded me that I really need to clean my work desk, and basically everything in the house lol.

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Hoping we can get some change here!
 
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CookTrain

Member
The Pet of the Month said:
Thanks man! And tell your wife I said thanks, too! Writing isn't easy, I remember when I used to write short stories, I would bring them to other writers and editors. They would then proceed to tear me a new one. It's frustrating, and it led me to actually cry once, so I'll take all the help I can get!

Anyway, I'll post the letter early tomorrow morning. I'll throw in this picture I took, which reminded me that I really need to clean my work desk, and basically everything in the house lol.



Hoping we can get some change here!
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Pet of the Month indeed. Legendary. Also, what games do you play on the watch in your picture? :D
 
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Muscle Wizard

Banned
quickwhips said:
Game communities shrink on PS4 when games get older. This is for everyone.
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The communities will shrink on the other consoles when they get older and even faster with little playerbases they started out at launch. Not even PC games are immune to the death knell of declining player numbers. If a community becomes so small that it essentially dies on PS4 then that's it. The other console communities will have died a lot faster already on the other consoles, meaning they are the ones that need the PS4 playerbase, not the PS4 users.
 
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CookTrain

Member
Muscle Wizard said:
The communities will shrink on the other consoles when they get older and even faster with little playerbases they started out at launch. Not even PC games are immune to the death knell of declining player numbers. If a community becomes so small that it essentially dies on PS4 then that's it. The other console communities will have died a lot faster already on the other consoles, meaning they are the ones that need the PS4 playerbase, not the PS4 users.
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But if they're all in the melting pot, they last longer. They might even survive long enough to hold out and establish themselves. Look at the fighting game community having to draw lines on which platform they go for. This is no different than the movement away from paid map packs. You divide your player base, you stifle it.
 
mrqs

mrqs

Member
Awesome. Everyone wants it. There's no reason to not want Crossplay between all platforms.

That's a must have. If Sony doesn't enable it and Microsoft keep doing this to other titles... Only gamers AND Sony will lose.
 
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The Pet of the Month

Member
CookTrain said:
Pet of the Month indeed. Legendary. Also, what games do you play on the watch in your picture? :D
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Oh I didn't even notice the watch. 'Fraid it's not a smart watch, so it doesn't play games, it's only good at being right twice a day.

Seriously though, I should get around to fixing it. Haha.

And thanks for the compliment!
 
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CookTrain

Member
Hell, at this point we should just turn the taps on. Any game you care about, give em a tweet.

#DestinyCrossplay
#BattlefrontCrossplay
#CookingMamaCrossplay

Looking at Psyonix, the developers have a great deal more sway than we do so anything we can do to encourage them and show we have their back, let's just go all out.
 
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Muscle Wizard

Banned
CookTrain said:
But if they're all in the melting pot, they last longer. They might even survive long enough to hold out and establish themselves. Look at the fighting game community having to draw lines on which platform they go for. This is no different than the movement away from paid map packs. You divide your player base, you stifle it.
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The console divisions have been established for decades. Map packs hurt communities that are already at max and are divided further. Crossplay for a dying game is like when a dying MMO consolidates its servers so NA, EU, and other region servers are all on a single server, which only ever staunches the hemorrhaging player numbers and has never successfully made a "hold out" until they could get back on their feet.

Even then, "melting pot" never works out. Final Fantasy XI cross play was fine and cool, but slowly the servers for the individual consoles were cut (first 360, then PS2) till only the PC remains. We see this again with FFXIV with PS3 support now cut.
 
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BADMAN

Member
Muscle Wizard said:
I really don't care. My consumer needs are currently being met by Sony so I have nothing to complain about in this situation. PS4 is currently the largest market for most multiplayer games and for the ones that aren't it has crossplay with enough PC versions to pick up what little slack there is.

I don't see this instance as "anti-consumer" because the only people it really affects are the owners of the other consoles with smaller player bases, who aren't customers of Sony and so aren't entitled to their business decisions benefiting them.
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It's not Sony's responsibility to cater to Xbox/Switch customers, however if devs are saying that they would support it but Sony won't allow them, then Sony is responsible for that action. Say a couple of friends with different consoles who want to play Rocket League together? They don't give a shit about what is best for Sony, they want what's best for them. Sony's decision would be prohibiting one of their customers from playing with their friend. That is anti-consumer. Another example, you pick up a hidden gem or an older game with a great online mode, but it takes forever to get into a match. If Xbox made up even 30% of that game's sales then your chances of finding games jumps up 30%. It's a win win for every consumer, just not for Sony.

In the past there was no hope for crossplay, but now we have devs that are willing to support it. If Sony caves in on this it would arguably be one of the biggest milestones in the evolution of console gaming. If it doesn't affect you then that's fine, just know that it affects others and this would be amazing if it happens.
 
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Vincent Grayson

Member
I'm one of those people who never plays with anyone he knows and couldn't care less about this...except that the policy is just dumb.

So good on anyone willing to put effort into changing their minds.
 
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MohitParty

Member
This doesn't benefit me at all since I don't have many friends to play online with or even that I don't play many online games. But I still think it should be available to those who want it. Like I don't know how having options is better than none?
 
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perfectsil

Member
Muscle Wizard said:
The communities will shrink on the other consoles when they get older and even faster with little playerbases they started out at launch. Not even PC games are immune to the death knell of declining player numbers. If a community becomes so small that it essentially dies on PS4 then that's it. The other console communities will have died a lot faster already on the other consoles, meaning they are the ones that need the PS4 playerbase, not the PS4 users.
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Is having a bigger player base and able to play with their friends on other platforms somehow hurt PS4 players? What's the negative side to this?
 
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The Pet of the Month

Member
BADMAN said:
It's not Sony's responsibility to cater to Xbox/Switch customers, however if devs are saying that they would support it but Sony won't allow them, then Sony is responsible for that action. Say a couple of friends with different consoles who want to play Rocket League together? They don't give a shit about what is best for Sony, they want what's best for them. Sony's decision would be prohibiting one of their customers from playing with their friend. That is anti-consumer. Another example, you pick up a hidden gem or an older game with a great online mode, but it takes forever to get into a match. If Xbox made up even 30% of that game's sales then your chances of finding games jumps up 30%. It's a win win for every consumer, just not for Sony.

In the past there was no hope for crossplay, but now we have devs that are willing to support it. If Sony caves in on this it would arguably be one of the biggest milestones in the evolution of console gaming. If it doesn't affect you then that's fine, just know that it affects others and this would be amazing if it happens.
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Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
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v3numb

Member
CaptainClaw said:
F*ck that answer... why would Sony be against bolstering the online community of a game...I bet the devs that made Evolve or Battleborn would have loved if their games could have had cross play to expand their playerbase...I could think of so many more.
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It's not their responsibility to make sure every individual game community thrives, that's on the devs. All Sony cares about is that their overall online community grows and allowing people to play together regardless of system doesn't help do that, they don't want Xbox live players benefiting from their playerbase because then they lose out on people paying them for a PS+ subscription.

And as for the games you listed...not making steaming piles of shit would've helped them out more than crossplay.
 
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Muscle Wizard

Banned
BADMAN said:
It's not Sony's responsibility to cater to Xbox/Switch customers, however if devs are saying that they would support it but Sony won't allow them, then Sony is responsible for that action. Say a couple of friends with different consoles who want to play Rocket League together? They don't give a shit about what is best for Sony, they want what's best for them. Sony's decision would be prohibiting one of their customers from playing with their friend. That is anti-consumer. Another example, you pick up a hidden gem or an older game with a great online mode, but it takes forever to get into a match. If Xbox made up even 30% of that game's sales then your chances of finding games jumps up 30%. It's a win win for every consumer, just not for Sony.

In the past there was no hope for crossplay, but now we have devs that are willing to support it. If Sony caves in on this it would arguably be one of the biggest milestones in the evolution of console gaming. If it doesn't affect you then that's fine, just know that it affects others and this would be amazing if it happens.
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Sony isn't prohibiting a PS4 owner from playing with their friend because their friend does not own a PS4. The result would still be Sony supporting another company for no benefit to them. Sony isn't responsible for your ability to play with another player who has a different console. You have your consumer entitlement just up until it no longer falls under their territory.
 
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CONAN

Member
Good initiative for a better future of gaming. Signed petition.

At least PS players can change names using Xbox Live if allowed.
 
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Muscle Wizard

Banned
perfectsil said:
Is having a bigger player base and able to play with their friends on other platforms somehow hurt PS4 players? What's the negative side to this?
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There is no negative to the PS4 players because they already have the largest playerbase or access to the PC playerbase. However, it hurts Sony because if crossplay is allowed that's X number of people not buying PS4s to play with their friends. So Sony has no reason to stifle its sales for no benefit to existing players by supporting companies that can only erode their market share.
 
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BADMAN

Member
Muscle Wizard said:
Sony isn't prohibiting a PS4 owner from playing with their friend because their friend does not own a PS4. The result would still be Sony supporting another company for no benefit to them. Sony isn't responsible for your ability to play with another player who has a different console. You have your consumer entitlement just up until it no longer falls under their territory.
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Why are you defending Sony's rights over the interests of the consumer? Why shouldn't we feel entitled to the ability to play with whoever we want? Sticking up for a company over the gaming community makes no sense whatsoever.
 
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Uno Venova

Banned
I can't really see this gaining any sort of traction. Ps4noDRM, one of the very few successful gaming related hashtags, only worked because that was trying to prevent something that would have made gaming unspeakably worse.

Cross play is just something that that will make an already great situation (healthy online communities) just marginally better.

Hope the people get what they want in the end though.
 
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perfectsil

Member
Muscle Wizard said:
There is no negative to the PS4 players because they already have the largest playerbase or access to the PC playerbase. However, it hurts Sony because if crossplay is allowed that's X number of people not buying PS4s to play with their friends. So Sony has no reason to stifle its sales for no benefit to existing players by supporting companies that can only erode their market share.
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Not having crossplay hurt PS4 players that want to play with their friends on other platforms. And in case of minecraft the majority of playerbase are not on PS4.
 
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Rmagnus

Banned
BADMAN said:
Why are you defending Sony's rights over the interests of the consumer? Why shouldn't we feel entitled to the ability to play with whoever we want? Sticking up for a company over the gaming community makes no sense whatsoever.
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I been trying to make sense of it since this news broke and I still don't understand.
All the Sony pov posts, why? No really why? Is it not a good thing that every gamer can play together regardless of platform? Unless you have shares in Sony I really don't understand why you are looking from Sony pov.
 
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Muscle Wizard

Banned
BADMAN said:
Why are you defending Sony's rights over the interests of the consumer? Why shouldn't we feel entitled to the ability to play with whoever we want? Sticking up for a company over the gaming community makes no sense whatsoever.
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Because for it to work there must be a proper balance. If Sony gave me free consoles and games that would certainly be in my interest, but they would go out of business pretty fucking fast. If Sony restricted PS4 players from playing with other PS4 players or raised PS+ subscription by $200 I would be pissed and drop them like a hot potato along with the majority of the subscribers. I'm not sticking up for Sony, I'm saying I don't care because my consumer interests are being met already. And my first point was that consumer interest only extends to those who are actual consumers of a service of product that a company gives. Other consoles players don't fall under that.
 
VlaudTheImpaler

VlaudTheImpaler

tl;dr
The Pet of the Month said:
Thanks man! And tell your wife I said thanks, too! Writing isn't easy, I remember when I used to write short stories, I would bring them to other writers and editors. They would then proceed to tear me a new one. It's frustrating, and it led me to actually cry once, but it made me a better writer. So I'll take all the help I can get!

Anyway, I'll post the letter early tomorrow morning. I'll throw in this picture I took, which reminded me that I really need to clean my work desk, and basically everything in the house lol.



Hoping we can get some change here!
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Never give up on your passions. We are at our best when we are helping each other improve. Especially when it comes from the heart. :)
 
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rgoulart

Member
It's not something I miss or really care about. To be honest I never even thought about it until all this talk started. So if they do it, great, if they don't, it's the same for me.
 
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The Artisan

Member
Quonny said:
SE is making FF7R because it will make them money.
Sony got rid of the controller due to feedback and potential lost sales.
And so on.

Of course this could get loud enough to make them think they'll lost money because of this decision, but that's what I mean. They aren't for the players. It's foolish to think they are. They're a business.

Btw I'm not defending them. This is simply anti-consumer. I want cross play. But lets not fool ourselves. The only way they'll reverse their decision is if their analysts think this backlash will hurt their wallet in potential lost sales.
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Obviously they are making ffs7remake because it'll make them money. That's why video games get made. But square Enix chose to remake that game because they were aware of its status of being considered one of if not the greatest game of all time.

As for the boomerang controller yes, it was fan input that got Sony to change them thinking it would sell less. But that fan input came from places like this
 
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BADMAN

Member
Muscle Wizard said:
Because for it to work there must be a proper balance. If Sony gave me free consoles and games that would certainly be in my interest, but they would go out of business pretty fucking fast. If Sony restricted PS4 players from playing with other PS4 players or raised PS+ subscription by $200 I would be pissed and drop them like a hot potato along with the majority of the subscribers. I'm not sticking up for Sony, I'm saying I don't care because my consumer interests are being met already. And my first point was that consumer interest only extends to those who are actual consumers of a service of product that a company gives. Other consoles players don't fall under that.
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I don't think I'm following your train of logic here. In the first part of your post are you implying that if Sony allowed crossplay they'd go out of business? People would keep buying games for their console so I don't really see that happening. In fact it could be a problem for Microsoft as well seeing that people who have enough money to buy both consoles might not do so in the event that they own a PS4 and all their friends play Xbox.

As for your second point we'll have to agree to disagree as I don't see consumers as being pigeonholed to whatever console they own. At the end of the day we are all players of video games and we are being told by Sony that those other people are dirty and that's why we can't have nice things. Not only is it disingenuous but it prohibits a better experience for gamers.
 
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Scofield94941

Member
Connection is alwAys shit when PC vs Ps4 players in rocket league. Who wants that? This shit has been on the front page of neogaf for 4 days now in some kind of thread. Bottom line, Sony doesnt want to give xbox one players from their bigger installed base to play with. Get over it
 
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chicken_pasta

Banned
Hey don't waste your time by calling. Those calls are most likely taken by underpaid employees in developing countries, who couldn't care less about your requests, and even if they did, they most likely have no way to rely the message to the people who matter.

Twitter seems like a way better strategy.
 
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Radical Edward

Member
Scofield94941 said:
Connection is alwAys shit when PC vs Ps4 players in rocket league. This shit has been on the front page of neogaf for 4 days now in some kind of thread. Bottom line, Sony doesnt want to give xbox one players their bigger installed base to play with. Get over it
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It's shit in SFV , too. I always filter PC players out
 
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Vincent Alexander

Member
Sucks that we had a thread for crossplay discussion, and now this thread about trying to campaign to Sony for those who DO care about having crossplay has been shit up by people who don't care.
 
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The Artisan

Member
Scofield94941 said:
Connection is alwAys shit when PC vs Ps4 players in rocket league. Who wants that? This shit has been on the front page of neogaf for 4 days now in some kind of thread. Bottom line, Sony doesnt want to give xbox one players from their bigger installed base to play with.
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? My connection is fine no matter who I play with. If I'm lagging it's usually my own fault whether I see psynets in the lobby or not
Scofield94941 said:
Get over it
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I'm not gonna get over it because some guy on the GAF who I never met is telling me to
 
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