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[Sad Affleck]

Star Citizen is a niche game at best and you don't need a TitanXp to run Star Citizen....

A niche game with over 1.8 million backers and more than $150 million in funds raised? Are you serious? Do you remember the initial pitch video of Star Citizen?

https://youtu.be/w7FUx6JHuMk

The game's whole pitch was based on it being designed for high-end PC hardware of the time (a 680) and not being limited by consoles. They have raised $150 million and the full game isn't even out yet.

 

[pixelation]

But the lowest common denominator is the XBO?

 

[nycgamer4ever]

It's not overkill at all. PC is the best platform for literally every game that isn't exclusive. Not just for 60+fps which is reason enough to invest in PC gaming imo, but all of the other benefits as well.

Yeah, Horizon is nice, but 30fps sucks and always will.

Consoles will always hold developers back tech wise, especially when they're fitted with garbage processors like the current iterations are.

This is not always true. There are a lot of pc ports that run like ass and needs patches and mods to fix.

 

[Mr.Deadshot]

Just look at those awful God of War graphics! xD

 

[Zok310]

Guy sounds like a jaded prick. No mention of the Pro and I would hope that PS4 buyers know that the shit is under powered when compared to brand new PC built 5 years later.
Fucking clown

 

[jonscrambler]

I have a 4K LG with HDR as well as a PS4 pro and horizon.

The games on my oled with hdr/ps4 Pro looks absolutely bonkers.

the article is not talking about the 6 month old PS4 Pro, why do you guys get the Pro if the base PS4 is powerful enough?

 

[OléGunner]

The dev could opt for that low percent of high end PC's freely unchained from console, but is that viable?

And if consoles were super PC's anyway, way fewer people could afford it again affecting the economics of development.

The only way I can agree is if we have an insanely long drawn out gen for like 10 years with the same consoles. As of right now, personally I feel fine with PS4 technical prowess with games like HZD, UC4, GoW, Red Dead etc.

As of now, his quotes bring nothing new or substantive to the table.

 

[CO_Andy]

PS4 = two PS2s duct taped together

 

[jon bones]

man, people really get defensive about the playstation

 

[Huge Succeeded]

The problem with this gen is the typically to my understanding, and correct me if I'm wrong, but consoles have launched with superior specs to PCs in the past and then PCs eventually become the more powerful units (duh). This gen, consoles launched far behind PCs. So these consoles were dated from launch.

essentially yeah, or more accurately consoles used to be more competitive at the beginning of a generation with top of the line PCs than they are today.

man, people really get defensive about the playstation

Today, Sony-senpai will finally notice them.

 

[cakely]

Thank you for the title edit.

 

[Spinluck]

Every now and then we get those bullshit articles saying gaming is being held back by consoles or whatever.

Meanwhile Nintendo is making some GOAT tier software with a console that's just above Wii U power, and keeping their same franchises fresher than ever.

Then we'll go to next generation, and forget these articles were ever written. We'll also have a crap launch line up and won't see anything that showcases what exactly was being held back for like a year or two. Even then it's like a lot of what's being done could be done on lesser harder to a much lesser extent, but it's not even groundbreaking innovation or anything. At least in most cases. Horizon is an example of something I think owes a shit ton to advancements in console tech.

 

[Lanrutcon]

30fps isn't a slideshow

This hyperbolic bullshit should be a bannable offense honestly

If hyperbolic bullshit was bannable every Uncharted 4 graphics thread would be a graveyard.

 

[LittleBigGamer]

"PS4 is like a 5 years old PC"

And that's why you have the opportunity to make a game that will sell well.

 

[Phrozenflame500]

You know this interview seems to be super off-the-cuff for this dude. Which on some level I appreciate, we rarely seem to have devs that are this passionate and give a shit nowadays.

But on the other hand he could have just rephrased this point as "it's difficult for indie devs to optimize mo-cap level graphics on a PS4" and avoided triggering the console warriors.

 

[Drillary Clinton]

If hyperbolic bullshit was bannable every Uncharted 4 graphics thread would be a graveyard.

If hyperbolic bullshit was bannable there would be no neogaf

 

[AkimboChainz]

How is "we could do more if consoles were more powerful" a controversial statement? Both companies are selling a more powerful version of their console now...

 

[Huge Succeeded]

This is not always true. There are a lot of pc ports that run like ass and needs patches and mods to fix.

It's overwhelmingly true, though, and most of the PC ports that 'run like ass' are being judged that way by PC gaming standards (ie: can't hold 60fps+) - and still ultimately run better than their console counterparts

 

[DeadlyVirus]

man, people really get defensive about the playstation

It's not about being defensive. People are comparing a $250 console to, let's say, a $400 graphics card (and this is just the graphics card).

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

the article is not talking about the 6 month old PS4 Pro, why do you guys get the Pro if the base PS4 is powerful enough?

I was answering his question about horizon compared to PC.

 

[jim2point0]

it's ironic how the PC gamers brag about the power of their PC and their graphics when PS4 has games like Uncharted 4 or horizon that looks better than anything maxed on PC non-modded

What is "ironic" about the fact that there are no first party PC developers? That is why you'll rarely see a non-exclusive game look better than first party games. Uncharted 4 and HZD can look as good as they do because first party devs get more time and budget to perfect their games on the single platform they need to develop for. That's not ironic. Just common sense.

Just imagine if Naughty Dog or Guerrilla Games could make a PC exclusive title. But that's not a reality that we currently live in.

 

[pixelation]

Every now and then we get those bullshit articles saying gaming is being held back by consoles or whatever.

Meanwhile Nintendo is making some GOAT tier software with a console that's just above Wii U power, and keeping their same franchises fresher than ever.

Then we'll go to next generation, and forget these articles were ever written. We'll also have a crap launch line up and won't see anything that showcases what exactly was being held back for like a year or two. Even then it's like a lot of what's being done could be done on lesser harder to a much lesser extent, but it's not even groundbreaking innovation or anything. At least in most cases. Horizon is an example of something I think owes a shit ton to advancements in console tech.

You get a golden star my friend.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

It's pretty jarring though.

I play at 144hz, and moving from 144hz to 30 is damn awful. Hell, moving from 144 to a locked 60 is pretty jarring for quite awhile until I get used to it.

Truth is you can get such high frame rate because they have to keep the lower end in mind .
If devs were targeting high end PC most people won't get over 30fps must less 120 plus fps.

 

[Sad Affleck]

The dev could opt for that low percent of high end PC's freely unchained from console, but is that viable?

Yes, but if you are spending a lot of money on a AAA game it makes sense to target the widest audience possible.

 

[Giftofgab24]

It's amazing what you can do with Good art while only needing to worry about one or two very similar pieces of hardware.

Also I don't agree that they look better than anything on the PC maxed.

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What is there on PC that's released that looks better? Crysis still looks better on a high end rig in certain areas, but I wouldn't say overall. What else is there? Star Citizen is definitely pushing the boundaries, but it's not out for at least a couple more years. By then I'm pretty positive that there will be a new best looking game on consoles.

Basically, without consoles to subsidize development we would all be playing a lot less games. PC only gamers should be thankful there's a healthy console community. You think you would be getting any AAA games at all if there wasn't 100 million consoles out there that could play them?

 

[DavidDesu]

Aren't the vast majority of PCs on Steam way behind the current consoles, you know integrated graphics chips and the like... ?

 

[gofreak]

Well there's nothing stopping him making a game just for high end PC.

Oh wait. Yeah. Just the 90m(?) console users that its taken 5 years to accumulate so he can sell to them. I guess these consoles, and their age, have alternative more important attractions for this developer after all...

 

[nycgamer4ever]

I have a 4K LG with HDR as well as a PS4 pro and horizon. I also have a GTX1080. Battlefront and Battlefield 1 for starters look fucking incredible and definitely better than HZD. HZD is of course pretty amazing.

But regardless. Why we spending all this time on graphics. Its like anytime the discussion of power comes up all creativity is lost for the possibilities outside graphical capabilities. This is why we still need console generations. The PS4 Pro and Xbox one X focused on GPU power since they still wanted all games to remain compatible. We will need something better than Jaguar to see real new possibilities in game design come to life.

I've got the same hardware you have and the same games. Battlefront and Battlefield 1 are of course NOT open world and have less in the way of variety in it's locations and color but let's just agree to disagree here.

60fps and above it ideal but absolutely not necessary to have a great experience.

I don't believe the lack of power hinders the creativity in games. Great fidelity and fps does not equal creativity. Games with the most creativity are usually indies witch do not take advantage of all the power available.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Well, conaidering the console is three years old, this isnt exactly a atrange statement to make.

Maybe because its the leading sales wise?

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

Aren't the vast majority of PCs on Steam way behind the current consoles, you know integrated graphics chips and the like... ?

even then, most of their CPUs are much better than consoles. Even so, those PCs arent used for gaming and arent factored in to statements like this.

I've got the same hardware you have and the same games. Battlefront and Battlefield 1 are of course NOT open world and have less in the way of variety in it's locations and color but let's just agree to disagree here.

60fps and above it ideal but absolutely not necessary to have a great experience.

I don't believe the lack of power hinders the creativity in games. Great fidelity and fps does not equal creativity. Games with the most creativity are usually indies witch do not take advantage of all the power available.

you are thinking of creativity in a different direction. I'm thinking creativity in what is possible with better computational power. AI, level warping, population density. things like Rainbow 6 Siege's destruction werent even conceivable last gen. I want to see where development goes as we let off more and more shackles.

Of course we are always going to have the shackles of budget, even without consoles not everyone would have a top end PC, but even so I want to see what developers are capable of in a future past Jaguar. My biggest worry with incremental upgrades is that we are in for a VERY long gen.

 

[EvB]

Aren't the vast majority of PCs on Steam way behind the current consoles, you know integrated graphics chips and the like... ?

^ yep

 

[Huge Succeeded]

Aren't the vast majority of PCs on Steam way behind the current consoles, you know integrated graphics chips and the like... ?

yes. The majority of PCs used to play video games aren't very powerful.

which shatters so many narratives, from every direction, like they were sugar glass.

 

[-Amon-]

Every five minutes someone opens a neogaf thread with the sole purpose to convince people to buy gaming pc's.

And all these threads see the same arguments pro and against that advice.

I'm the only one that find this particular argument old and already discussed to death ?

 

[DeadlyVirus]

Every five minutes someone opens a neogaf thread with the sole purpose to convince people to buy gaming pc's.

And all these threads see the same arguments pro and against that advice.

I'm the only one that find this particular argument old and already discussed to death ?

Still less threads than people praising the Switch

 

[Huge Succeeded]

Every five minutes someone opens a neogaf thread with the sole purpose to convince people to buy gaming pc's.

And all these threads see the same arguments pro and against that advice.

I'm the only one that find this particular argument old and already discussed to death ?

Where are you getting that from? Who's trying to convince you to buy a gaming PC?

oh yeah, this is the part of 'Thread That Mentions PC' where people just make shit up to justify their past present and future elitism bitching, almost forgot how it goes

 

[jim2point0]

Every five minutes someone opens a neogaf thread with the sole purpose to convince people to buy gaming pc's.

I don't think that was the point of this thread.

 

[NeonBlack]

it's ironic how the PC gamers brag about the power of their PC and their graphics when PS4 has games like Uncharted 4 or horizon that looks better than anything maxed on PC non-modded

And yet any third party game runs and looks better on PC. Those two don't have the option.

 

[-Amon-]

Still less threads than people praising the Switch

Can't be, switch came out when ? 3 months ago ? This shit is at least five years old.

 

[Breakage]

Consoles will inevitably fall behind PCs;I mean they are fixed spec platforms. We can say the same for every console at some point in its lifetime.

 

[itshutton]

Can I play amazing games on it? Yes.

Do the games over the next 1-2 years look outdated? No.

Happy with my PS4 and my less powerful Switch.

 

[Van Bur3n]

Console are not as powerful as PCs. In other news, water is wet and bears can outrun humans.

 

[NXGamer]

Or a 4 year old console maybe?

 

[Inuhanyou]

Platform wars bring out the worst in people

Even a pointless article like this is enough to attract stupid arguments

 

[-Amon-]

Where are you getting that from? Who's trying to convince you to buy a gaming PC?

oh yeah, this is the part of 'Thread That Mentions PC' where people just make shit up to justify their past present and future elitism bitching, almost forgot how it goes

A more controlled reaction could have made me think that I was wrong in my assumptions you know.

 

[Huge Succeeded]

A more controlled reaction could have made me think that I was wrong in my assumptions you know.

if there's nothin but broken records in the room I'm not even gonna turn on the record player

 

[OléGunner]

Yes, but if you are spending a lot of money on a AAA game it makes sense to target the widest audience possible.

I guess in the case of Star Citizen it is yeah.
But that's really more an anamoly, few publishers would sink potential tens of millions to only really target that audience.

 

[perfectsil]

It's true, aren't PS4 pro owners happy they can have a more powerful console?

 

[Giftofgab24]

Every five minutes someone opens a neogaf thread with the sole purpose to convince people to buy gaming pc's.

And all these threads see the same arguments pro and against that advice.

I'm the only one that find this particular argument old and already discussed to death ?

It's definitely a pointless conversation, but it's one that's always gonna be brought up. There's always gonna be people that just bought or built a gaming rig that are trying to justify their purchase to themselves.

 

[J-Skee]

Every five minutes someone opens a neogaf thread with the sole purpose to convince people to buy gaming pc's.

And all these threads see the same arguments pro and against that advice.

I'm the only one that find this particular argument old and already discussed to death ?

I'm over it. You wanna game on PC? Game on PC. You wanna game on console? Game on console. It's always some pissing contest to justify your own purchase.

 

[muteki]

What are some examples of PC exclusives today that really take advantage of the latest hardware, and would otherwise not be possible on consoles? (I'm genuinely curious, I don't follow the PC side of things too often).

The impression I get from the outside looking in is that the extra horsepower is used for higher framerates and resolutions.