Raylan Targaryen
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Yeah, at 30fps lol
Those games look slightly better than something like Witcher 3 and I was getting 100+fps. I'd rather my games not be slideshows
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"PS4 is like a 5 years old PC and its really holding developers back"
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Those games look slightly better than something like Witcher 3 and I was getting 100+fps. I'd rather my games not be slideshows
Pankratous
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Alpha Phoenix
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I detect no lies in that quote.
make a game PC exclusive then, don't see the problem.
Or release game now on PC and port later on next-gen consoles. Or improve your programming skills.
yep
Or release game now on PC and port later on next-gen consoles. Or improve your programming skills.
yep
jonscrambler
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besides, how good a few exclusives look on consoles don't change how other multiplat games look on consoles
lol. Slideshows..
Raylan Targaryen
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Sorry I insulted your preferred gaming platform. Doesn't warrant a ban though, seems a bit extreme
FarmerGiles
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It's pretty jarring though.
I play at 144hz, and moving from 144hz to 30 is damn awful. Hell, moving from 144 to a locked 60 is pretty jarring for quite awhile until I get used to it.
You must have something wrong with your eyesight then pal if 30fps games look like slideshows to you.
AyraSutoraifu
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Well, base Ps4 tech is 4 years old so what do you expect... Weird statement.
Edit: Horizon says hi!
Edit: Horizon says hi!
xviper
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isn't that what PC gamers brag about ?? the graphics ?? well, UC4 and Horzion got the better graphics
PS4 can't handle 60FPS in good looking games ?? what about MGS V(rock solid 60FPS) and BF1 ?
nycgamer4ever
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You can have all the raw power in the world but if you don't have the development tech and put in work your games will still look and run like shit. I think the consoles don't get enough credit for forcing developers to develop tech that can be useful on pc also.
PS4 is almost 4 years old, so....
Also being hold back by hardware is bullshit excuses to make an actually good game. Hardware being limitation is some technological bullshit that have entrapped the western games in a cycle of pretty-but-barebones games for the past years. But I guess it's easier to blame the hardware rather than checking and reconsidering your own game design board.
Also being hold back by hardware is bullshit excuses to make an actually good game. Hardware being limitation is some technological bullshit that have entrapped the western games in a cycle of pretty-but-barebones games for the past years. But I guess it's easier to blame the hardware rather than checking and reconsidering your own game design board.
Clarkus Darkus
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And yet other than Star Citizen, What is actually pushing PC hardware? Their PC conference at E3 wasn't thrilling, They all jizzed at AOE remaster.
Look at HZD and what can be achieved. PC is just overkill to play multi-plats at 60fps.
Look at HZD and what can be achieved. PC is just overkill to play multi-plats at 60fps.
Fbh
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Disagree, and as always I find the argument ignores various factors.
-We tend to see more innovation in graphically undemanding Indie games than AAA games that really push the hardware.
-Games, as most products, are only able to be made because there's lots of people willing to buy them. And the vast majority of those people don't own high end PC's, they own mid-low end PC's and Consoles. You can't just ignore how much larger the number of potential buyers for your game is thanks to the fact that there are consoles you can buy for $200-$400.
-In a world where consoles don't exist it wouldn't mean everyone has a GTX1080, 32 Gb of ram and a i7. If the only way to play games was on PC chances are that most if not all devs would follow the Blizzard strategy of making sure their games also work well on modest hardware.
PC has lots of exclusives but almost none of them target high end PC's only. Why do you think that is?
-We tend to see more innovation in graphically undemanding Indie games than AAA games that really push the hardware.
-Games, as most products, are only able to be made because there's lots of people willing to buy them. And the vast majority of those people don't own high end PC's, they own mid-low end PC's and Consoles. You can't just ignore how much larger the number of potential buyers for your game is thanks to the fact that there are consoles you can buy for $200-$400.
-In a world where consoles don't exist it wouldn't mean everyone has a GTX1080, 32 Gb of ram and a i7. If the only way to play games was on PC chances are that most if not all devs would follow the Blizzard strategy of making sure their games also work well on modest hardware.
PC has lots of exclusives but almost none of them target high end PC's only. Why do you think that is?
ShadowSoldier89
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I'm interested in the advancements in AI and level manipulation that current CPUs arent capable of.
KojiKnight
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They don't and they can't. Games cost a ton to make and they need the audience to make up the cost.
It would be a nightmare if you needed a < 2 year old PC to play the latest games. Consoles have always been out of date PCs by their very nature. The PS3/360 were 10 year old PCs by the time their successors came out and they didn't have mid-gen refreshes to appease enthusiasts.
A developer can't afford to make a cutting edge game that can only be run on the latest hardware because it can only be sold to people with the latest hardware.
A developer can't afford to make a cutting edge game that can only be run on the latest hardware because it can only be sold to people with the latest hardware.
BF 1, for example, looks amazing on PS4 Pro 60fps, 64 players in multiplayer. So, it only depends on developer's skills and experience.
Ban Puncher
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Only a poor craftsman blames his tools.
Morrigan Stark
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lol @ calling Uncharted 4 and Horizon "slideshows"... SMH
Exactly.
Consoles aren't holding devs back. Devs are free to make the biggest, meanest, most demanding games for PC only... but then they won't have the sales to justify their budget.
Exactly.
Consoles aren't holding devs back. Devs are free to make the biggest, meanest, most demanding games for PC only... but then they won't have the sales to justify their budget.
It's amazing what you can do with Good art while only needing to worry about one or two very similar pieces of hardware.
Also I don't agree that they look better than anything on the PC maxed.
nycgamer4ever
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I play at 100hz to 120hz on pc and have absolutely no issues playing Horizizon ZD at 30fps. Is it better to play at a higher fps sure but 30fps is not "damn awful" as longs as it's locked.
nycgamer4ever
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What games do you think look better than Horizon ZD or Uncharted 4 on pc right now? The games on my oled with hdr/ps4 Pro looks absolutely bonkers.
jonscrambler
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but we are not talking about PS4 Pro here, BF1 runs at 900P on base PS4
Interficium
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Its ironic, because if anything has caused games to become more conservative and safe, particularly in the AAA space, its been the exponential increases in the cost of creating visual assets that take full advantage of the latest hardware.
FarmerGiles
Member
Exactly
It's all about budget at the end of the day.
Consoles offer players an affordable way to access games.
Of course we all know that the latest PC's are more powerful/faster than the latest Consoles, that's obvious, just like saying a sports car is faster than a family saloon. They get to the same destination eventually, just the cost to get there is significantly cheaper. To argue anything different is meaningless and naive.
I have a PC, I enjoy the games I play on it.
I have a PS4 pro, I enjoy the games I play on that.
that's all that matter.
This is a little like saying, "I'd never be late anywhere if there were no speed limits."
The only reason developers have the money and support to make big games is because of the abundance of consoles in people's homes. And the only reason there are so many consoles out in the wild is because they are relatively inexpensive to buy and easy to use. And the only reason they are inexpensive and easy to use is that they are relatively underpowered.
So, no. Devs wouldn't be able to make tech-forward games without the support of the "underpowered" console industry.
The only reason developers have the money and support to make big games is because of the abundance of consoles in people's homes. And the only reason there are so many consoles out in the wild is because they are relatively inexpensive to buy and easy to use. And the only reason they are inexpensive and easy to use is that they are relatively underpowered.
So, no. Devs wouldn't be able to make tech-forward games without the support of the "underpowered" console industry.
This does nothing to advance the conversation. Calling it a slideshows is beyond an exaggeration.
He's not whining, instead he's responding to this notion:
At least that's the way I took it.
It's not overkill at all. PC is the best platform for literally every game that isn't exclusive. Not just for 60+fps which is reason enough to invest in PC gaming imo, but all of the other benefits as well.
Yeah, Horizon is nice, but 30fps sucks and always will.
Consoles will always hold developers back tech wise, especially when they're fitted with garbage processors like the current iterations are.
FarmerGiles
Member
This is a good point.
Isn't it ironic that we've only really seen true innovation in recent years on the weakest (power wise) of the console lineups
It isn't an insult, it is just that the vast majority of gamers likely do not perceive 30 fps as a "slideshow" and such remarks come of as silly to others.
Toni
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Exactly. Took the words out of my mouth 😂
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
The problem for developers that aren't Naughty Dog, Santa Monica, Guerilla, CD Projekt Red, DICE et al is put up or shut up.
Who knew a game with two windows of real time AAA graphics would be straining systems? Moan all you want, but consumers are happy with long gens.
Who knew a game with two windows of real time AAA graphics would be straining systems? Moan all you want, but consumers are happy with long gens.
ShadowSoldier89
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I have a 4K LG with HDR as well as a PS4 pro and horizon. I also have a GTX1080. Battlefront and Battlefield 1 for starters look fucking incredible and definitely better than HZD. HZD is of course pretty amazing.
But regardless. Why we spending all this time on graphics. Its like anytime the discussion of power comes up all creativity is lost for the possibilities outside graphical capabilities. This is why we still need console generations. The PS4 Pro and Xbox one X focused on GPU power since they still wanted all games to remain compatible. We will need something better than Jaguar to see real new possibilities in game design come to life.
jonscrambler
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is ps4 pro overkill?
Vital Tundra
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This is the truth about every console ever. A few years after the PS5 comes out you can say the same about that.
Waldo Lydecker
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Okay so this developer wants back 599 US DOLLARS? Good luck selling your game then to a much smaller audience...
Drillary Clinton
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The problem with this gen is the typically to my understanding, and correct me if I'm wrong, but consoles have launched with superior specs to PCs in the past and then PCs eventually become the more powerful units (duh). This gen, consoles launched far behind PCs. So these consoles were dated from launch.
thelastword
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Slightly better looking than Witcher 3 "out of all games", and they're nothing but slideshows too? You're certainly on a roll...
Funny enough, I think "A way out" might be 30fps on consoles too, even with it's basic visuals..
SolidSnakex
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