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Am I in the forever friend zone?

The problem with your attitude is: You're not even willing to try to accept someone elses opinion on it. You're so entilted to your "feminism is warranted" stance that you're not seeing how far these humans went.

When feminists start being triggered by a name or just a couple kissing in public (see here) or by just saying hello to them (here), you know they're not right in their mind. And these are not just some rare cases as you say. It happens frequently to the point of it being just a cult, think Gamer Gate.

But yeah, let's agree on the point: If you're a white male and educated, you're a misogynist. Which is why I don't even bother replying to this thread anymore. End of story. This is stupid beyond belief.

I'm really happy that after OP went ghost on us, someone else stepped up to the plate.
 
The problem with your attitude is: You're not even willing to try to accept someone elses opinion on it. You're so entilted to your "feminism is warranted" stance that you're not seeing how far these humans went.

When feminists start being triggered by a name or just a couple kissing in public (see here) or by just saying hello to them (here), you know they're not right in their mind. And these are not just some rare cases as you say. It happens frequently to the point of it being just a cult, think Gamer Gate.

But yeah, let's agree on the point: If you're a white male and educated, you're a misogynist. Which is why I don't even bother replying to this thread anymore. End of story. This is stupid beyond belief.

The fuck are you doing? Stop showing your ass with this garbage.

Girlfriends hold hands and say how cute each other are and say they love each other.

Yes, she sees you as a girl.

It's true. When my wife held my hand and told me she loved me, my penis fell off. It's why married couples stop having sex.
 

Lkr

Member
what about my membership? I've been on this forum for two years (and even more before getting my registration approved).


Gratz, you understood my joke.


The problem with your attitude is: You're not even willing to try to accept someone elses opinion on it. You're so entilted to your "feminism is warranted" stance that you're not seeing how far these humans went.

When feminists start being triggered by a name or just a couple kissing in public (see here) or by just saying hello to them (here), you know they're not right in their mind. And these are not just some rare cases as you say. It happens frequently to the point of it being just a cult, think Gamer Gate.

But yeah, let's agree on the point: If you're a white male and educated, you're a misogynist. Which is why I don't even bother replying to this thread anymore. End of story. This is stupid beyond belief.
Rekt feminist videos is the uploader on one of those lmao
The other is just a crazy person freaking the fuck out, I don't know what that has to do with feminism.
If you've been on the forum for so long (lol) you should have realized that the shit you're saying isn't gonna fly around here. You've provided no arguments against feminism, just a big "hurr durr feminists are retards." Two issues with this:
1) what the fuck are you talking about
2) why would you describe someone as retarded if you're so deep into gaf culture already
 

entremet

Member
The reason the "friend zone" is more common with men is because many guys tend to use it as a dating strategy. But it's a poor one.

Given the asymmetrical nature of heterosexual dating practices--men still predominately initiate, while women accept or reject*--a man may consider a women giving him time and attention as acceptance in the romantic realm, when that may not be the case. While from the women's point of view, gauging a man's interest comes from him initiating romantically. If he never asks her out, she may not think he's interested and thus focus on someone that is initiating romantically.

I don't think there are absolutes here. My cousin married his decades long best friend. But she actually initiated after many years, after they've both had other failed relationships. She basically told him she was interested and then went forward. They're now married and and have family.

However, my cousin never had a strategy of being her friend to win her romantically. He was her friend regardless. They dated others and eventually developed a thing and made it happen.

The problem is that the whole let's be friend first thing is a failing strategy with little success. It's also insincere since you're creating a hidden contract of sorts, one which the other party has no idea of.

*Yes, I'm aware there are exceptions, but men are still doing most of the initiating, asking for numbers, dates, and so on.
 
When did friend zone get redefined? Back in my day it was a fairly obvious stage of a relationship. Hanging out with friends and you hook up with one of them, but don't close the deal for one reason or another, you lost the shot and are now in the "friend zone". You've relinquished all possible chances of hooking up again. Your still friends, but not romantically and you ask for her help as a wingman. It wasn't some weird long period, it was more of a benchmark that signaled a point of no return.
 
what about my membership? I've been on this forum for two years (and even more before getting my registration approved).


Gratz, you understood my joke.


The problem with your attitude is: You're not even willing to try to accept someone elses opinion on it. You're so entilted to your "feminism is warranted" stance that you're not seeing how far these humans went.

When feminists start being triggered by a name or just a couple kissing in public (see here) or by just saying hello to them (here), you know they're not right in their mind. And these are not just some rare cases as you say. It happens frequently to the point of it being just a cult, think Gamer Gate.

But yeah, let's agree on the point: If you're a white male and educated, you're a misogynist. Which is why I don't even bother replying to this thread anymore. End of story. This is stupid beyond belief.

Let me guess, you're antisocial and not very successful with women so instead of doing some introspection as to why people, women in particular, might ignore you or find you repellent, you decide to take out your frustrations out on "feminists" for all your personal failings because it's easier for you to believe in a conspiracy against "straight white men" like yourself than it is to realize that you might just be thoroughly unlikable.

Take a break from the computer and go socialize with people different from yourself in an empathetic and friendly manner and have a long hard think about where your life's problems really stem from.
 

WaterAstro

Member
LOL What the hell is this still doing on first page.

Alright, here's the update. I listened to the GOOD advice about asking her again. I had the chance to as we went out for dinner after working with her most of the afternoon. I brought up the time I asked her out and asked if her feelings changed.

She said yes. She never thought about relationships seriously until she felt my dedication towards helping her with her life. She got to know me a lot better since she turned me down, and she wants me to be in a relationship, however, she doesn't feel confident in herself when it comes to a relationship where we would live with each other if she isn't making good income.

I told her that her money doesn't matter me, and that I'm going to help her no matter what kind of relationship we're in. She's still not comfortable being unable to share in the expenses, but she really likes our time together because it's giving her a lot of confidence and morale to work hard, so I told her that we can stay the course and keep doing what we're doing.

I guess I shouldn't say I'm not interested in a relationship with her, rather I should just say I stopped thinking about it in order to focus on helping her. Seems like our relationship built anyway, and I'm pretty happy with how things are right now. I don't think asking really made any difference, but it was nice to know.

Anyway, you funny gaffers with some good advice and mostly bad advice, you all made an interesting thread out of this situation. Keep it up.
 

Jasup

Member
When feminists start being triggered by a name or just a couple kissing in public (see here) or by just saying hello to them (here), you know they're not right in their mind. And these are not just some rare cases as you say. It happens frequently to the point of it being just a cult, think Gamer Gate.

Ok, I too would like to know how those two videos represent feminists or feminism? I watched them both and I saw two unhinged persons and viewing them made me more sad than anything. It's not pretty seeing someone in that state. These are clearly videos that are viewed for laughs too, so it adds another layer there.

I would also like to know what about Gamer Gate? From the context I suppose you're not referring to the cult like community of the gamer gate advocates?
 

Crossing Eden

Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
The problem with your attitude is: You're not even willing to try to accept someone elses opinion on it.
Probably because your opinion on feminism is some MRA bullshit?

You're so entilted to your "feminism is warranted" stance that you're not seeing how far these humans went.

When feminists start being triggered by a name or just a couple kissing in public (see here) or by just saying hello to them (here), you know they're not right in their mind.
Literally neither of these videos have anything to do with feminism. Do you just equate a women being angry with feminism?

And these are not just some rare cases as you say. It happens frequently to the point of it being just a cult, think Gamer Gate.
Holy shit at equating Gamergate to feminism......gamergate is literally a movement dedicated to keep women out of the gaming industry.

But yeah, let's agree on the point: If you're a white male and educated, you're a misogynist. Which is why I don't even bother replying to this thread anymore. End of story. This is stupid beyond belief.
That certainly is an accurate description of your post ITT...

EDIT:BOI.......what the fuck is that channel?!

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EDIT:Literally both channels
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You managed to out yourself by linking to an incredibly sexist channel and an incredibly racist channel in one post while mansplaining about how feminism is "retarded." Holy fuck. o_O
 
LOL What the hell is this still doing on first page.

Alright, here's the update. I listened to the GOOD advice about asking her again. I had the chance to as we went out for dinner after working with her most of the afternoon. I brought up the time I asked her out and asked if her feelings changed.

She said yes. She never thought about relationships seriously until she felt my dedication towards helping her with her life. She got to know me a lot better since she turned me down, and she wants me to be in a relationship, however, she doesn't feel confident in herself when it comes to a relationship where we would live with each other if she isn't making good income.

I told her that her money doesn't matter me, and that I'm going to help her no matter what kind of relationship we're in. She's still not comfortable being unable to share in the expenses, but she really likes our time together because it's giving her a lot of confidence and morale to work hard, so I told her that we can stay the course and keep doing what we're doing.

I guess I shouldn't say I'm not interested in a relationship with her, rather I should just say I stopped thinking about it in order to focus on helping her. Seems like our relationship built anyway, and I'm pretty happy with how things are right now. I don't think asking really made any difference, but it was nice to know.

Anyway, you funny gaffers with some good advice and mostly bad advice, you all made an interesting thread out of this situation. Keep it up.

Huh?

Maybe try actually dating before talking about living arrangements and associated costs.
 
LOL What the hell is this still doing on first page.

Alright, here's the update. I listened to the GOOD advice about asking her again. I had the chance to as we went out for dinner after working with her most of the afternoon. I brought up the time I asked her out and asked if her feelings changed.

She said yes. She never thought about relationships seriously until she felt my dedication towards helping her with her life. She got to know me a lot better since she turned me down, and she wants me to be in a relationship, however, she doesn't feel confident in herself when it comes to a relationship where we would live with each other if she isn't making good income.

I told her that her money doesn't matter me, and that I'm going to help her no matter what kind of relationship we're in. She's still not comfortable being unable to share in the expenses, but she really likes our time together because it's giving her a lot of confidence and morale to work hard, so I told her that we can stay the course and keep doing what we're doing.

I guess I shouldn't say I'm not interested in a relationship with her, rather I should just say I stopped thinking about it in order to focus on helping her. Seems like our relationship built anyway, and I'm pretty happy with how things are right now. I don't think asking really made any difference, but it was nice to know.

Anyway, you funny gaffers with some good advice and mostly bad advice, you all made an interesting thread out of this situation. Keep it up.
What the hell is going on here. Why are you acting like you need to move in together suddenly? Go out on a real date first, make a move, have fun.
 

Foffy

Banned
What is happening here?

As for the OP's question: nothing is forever. Everything is transitory. This includes any "zone" we ascribe ourselves into.
 

MazeHaze

Banned
LOL What the hell is this still doing on first page.

Alright, here's the update. I listened to the GOOD advice about asking her again. I had the chance to as we went out for dinner after working with her most of the afternoon. I brought up the time I asked her out and asked if her feelings changed.

She said yes. She never thought about relationships seriously until she felt my dedication towards helping her with her life. She got to know me a lot better since she turned me down, and she wants me to be in a relationship, however, she doesn't feel confident in herself when it comes to a relationship where we would live with each other if she isn't making good income.

I told her that her money doesn't matter me, and that I'm going to help her no matter what kind of relationship we're in. She's still not comfortable being unable to share in the expenses, but she really likes our time together because it's giving her a lot of confidence and morale to work hard, so I told her that we can stay the course and keep doing what we're doing.

I guess I shouldn't say I'm not interested in a relationship with her, rather I should just say I stopped thinking about it in order to focus on helping her. Seems like our relationship built anyway, and I'm pretty happy with how things are right now. I don't think asking really made any difference, but it was nice to know.

Anyway, you funny gaffers with some good advice and mostly bad advice, you all made an interesting thread out of this situation. Keep it up.
Sounds to me like she's still rejecting you but being nice about it. The way you talk about it is super creepy.
 
LOL What the hell is this still doing on first page.

Alright, here's the update. I listened to the GOOD advice about asking her again. I had the chance to as we went out for dinner after working with her most of the afternoon. I brought up the time I asked her out and asked if her feelings changed.

She said yes. She never thought about relationships seriously until she felt my dedication towards helping her with her life. She got to know me a lot better since she turned me down, and she wants me to be in a relationship, however, she doesn't feel confident in herself when it comes to a relationship where we would live with each other if she isn't making good income.

I told her that her money doesn't matter me, and that I'm going to help her no matter what kind of relationship we're in. She's still not comfortable being unable to share in the expenses, but she really likes our time together because it's giving her a lot of confidence and morale to work hard, so I told her that we can stay the course and keep doing what we're doing.

I guess I shouldn't say I'm not interested in a relationship with her, rather I should just say I stopped thinking about it in order to focus on helping her. Seems like our relationship built anyway, and I'm pretty happy with how things are right now. I don't think asking really made any difference, but it was nice to know.

Anyway, you funny gaffers with some good advice and mostly bad advice, you all made an interesting thread out of this situation. Keep it up.

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LOL What the hell is this still doing on first page.

Alright, here's the update. I listened to the GOOD advice about asking her again. I had the chance to as we went out for dinner after working with her most of the afternoon. I brought up the time I asked her out and asked if her feelings changed.

She said yes. She never thought about relationships seriously until she felt my dedication towards helping her with her life. She got to know me a lot better since she turned me down, and she wants me to be in a relationship, however, she doesn't feel confident in herself when it comes to a relationship where we would live with each other if she isn't making good income.

I told her that her money doesn't matter me, and that I'm going to help her no matter what kind of relationship we're in. She's still not comfortable being unable to share in the expenses, but she really likes our time together because it's giving her a lot of confidence and morale to work hard, so I told her that we can stay the course and keep doing what we're doing.

I guess I shouldn't say I'm not interested in a relationship with her, rather I should just say I stopped thinking about it in order to focus on helping her. Seems like our relationship built anyway, and I'm pretty happy with how things are right now. I don't think asking really made any difference, but it was nice to know.

Anyway, you funny gaffers with some good advice and mostly bad advice, you all made an interesting thread out of this situation. Keep it up.

This reads like a lonely persons fanfiction. How old are you both?
 

Dynamite Shikoku

Congratulations, you really deserve it!
LOL What the hell is this still doing on first page.

Alright, here's the update. I listened to the GOOD advice about asking her again. I had the chance to as we went out for dinner after working with her most of the afternoon. I brought up the time I asked her out and asked if her feelings changed.

She said yes. She never thought about relationships seriously until she felt my dedication towards helping her with her life. She got to know me a lot better since she turned me down, and she wants me to be in a relationship, however, she doesn't feel confident in herself when it comes to a relationship where we would live with each other if she isn't making good income.

I told her that her money doesn't matter me, and that I'm going to help her no matter what kind of relationship we're in. She's still not comfortable being unable to share in the expenses, but she really likes our time together because it's giving her a lot of confidence and morale to work hard, so I told her that we can stay the course and keep doing what we're doing.

I guess I shouldn't say I'm not interested in a relationship with her, rather I should just say I stopped thinking about it in order to focus on helping her. Seems like our relationship built anyway, and I'm pretty happy with how things are right now. I don't think asking really made any difference, but it was nice to know.

Anyway, you funny gaffers with some good advice and mostly bad advice, you all made an interesting thread out of this situation. Keep it up.

So did you get laid? I don't understand
 

Ekai

Member
Probably because your opinion on feminism is some MRA bullshit?


Literally neither of these videos have anything to do with feminism. Do you just equate a women being angry with feminism?


Holy shit at equating Gamergate to feminism......gamergate is literally a movement dedicated to keep women out of the gaming industry.


That certainly is an accurate description of your post ITT...

EDIT:BOI.......what the fuck is that channel?!

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EDIT:Literally both channels
Xi7ufIA.png


You managed to out yourself by linking to an incredibly sexist channel and an incredibly racist channel in one post while mansplaining about how feminism is "retarded." Holy fuck. o_O

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Another image related to that channel.

The website also doesn't even work.
 

Tall4Life

Member
Assuming OP isn't fluffing it, oh gee some women actually have legitimate reasons to not want to be in a relationship 24/7. Then those factors sometimes change and something might happen.

It's not like you have a very small specific time frame to start a relationship with someone or else it will never happen.
 
Assuming OP isn't fluffing it, oh gee some women actually have legitimate reasons to not want to be in a relationship 24/7. Then those factors sometimes change and something might happen.

It's not like you have a very small specific time frame to start a relationship with someone or else it will never happen.
Sure, but going out with a girl multiple times a week, while waiting for that moment to happen is not exactly healthy behavior. Just live your own live, stay in touch as friends, go out with other people, and if something happens later on, great. If not, at least you lived your own life instead of waiting around.
 

Tall4Life

Member
Sure, but going out with a girl multiple times a week, while waiting for that moment to happen is not exactly healthy behavior. Just live your own live, stay in touch as friends, go out with other people, and if something happens later on, great. If not, at least you lived your own life instead of waiting around.

Agreed, making her a complete focus like that is wrong. But unlike some other posters have implied, yeah they can just stay in touch as friends and if something happens later then good. I completely agree with you.
 

Two Words

Member
LOL What the hell is this still doing on first page.

Alright, here's the update. I listened to the GOOD advice about asking her again. I had the chance to as we went out for dinner after working with her most of the afternoon. I brought up the time I asked her out and asked if her feelings changed.

She said yes. She never thought about relationships seriously until she felt my dedication towards helping her with her life. She got to know me a lot better since she turned me down, and she wants me to be in a relationship, however, she doesn't feel confident in herself when it comes to a relationship where we would live with each other if she isn't making good income.

I told her that her money doesn't matter me, and that I'm going to help her no matter what kind of relationship we're in. She's still not comfortable being unable to share in the expenses, but she really likes our time together because it's giving her a lot of confidence and morale to work hard, so I told her that we can stay the course and keep doing what we're doing.

I guess I shouldn't say I'm not interested in a relationship with her, rather I should just say I stopped thinking about it in order to focus on helping her. Seems like our relationship built anyway, and I'm pretty happy with how things are right now. I don't think asking really made any difference, but it was nice to know.

Anyway, you funny gaffers with some good advice and mostly bad advice, you all made an interesting thread out of this situation. Keep it up.

Yeah this sounds like bullshit. None of that explanation makes any sort of sense.
 

Quixzlizx

Member
LOL What the hell is this still doing on first page.

Alright, here's the update. I listened to the GOOD advice about asking her again. I had the chance to as we went out for dinner after working with her most of the afternoon. I brought up the time I asked her out and asked if her feelings changed.

She said yes. She never thought about relationships seriously until she felt my dedication towards helping her with her life. She got to know me a lot better since she turned me down, and she wants me to be in a relationship, however, she doesn't feel confident in herself when it comes to a relationship where we would live with each other if she isn't making good income.

I told her that her money doesn't matter me, and that I'm going to help her no matter what kind of relationship we're in. She's still not comfortable being unable to share in the expenses, but she really likes our time together because it's giving her a lot of confidence and morale to work hard, so I told her that we can stay the course and keep doing what we're doing.

I guess I shouldn't say I'm not interested in a relationship with her, rather I should just say I stopped thinking about it in order to focus on helping her. Seems like our relationship built anyway, and I'm pretty happy with how things are right now. I don't think asking really made any difference, but it was nice to know.

Anyway, you funny gaffers with some good advice and mostly bad advice, you all made an interesting thread out of this situation. Keep it up.

Is this what real-time gaslighting looks like?
 

NinjaBoiX

Member
"We've been together for 3 months", that's a really weird thing to say bro.

Also, what are you helping her with?
 

Clockwork5

Member
LOL What the hell is this still doing on first page.

Alright, here's the update. I listened to the GOOD advice about asking her again. I had the chance to as we went out for dinner after working with her most of the afternoon. I brought up the time I asked her out and asked if her feelings changed.

She said yes. She never thought about relationships seriously until she felt my dedication towards helping her with her life. She got to know me a lot better since she turned me down, and she wants me to be in a relationship, however, she doesn't feel confident in herself when it comes to a relationship where we would live with each other if she isn't making good income.

I told her that her money doesn't matter me, and that I'm going to help her no matter what kind of relationship we're in. She's still not comfortable being unable to share in the expenses, but she really likes our time together because it's giving her a lot of confidence and morale to work hard, so I told her that we can stay the course and keep doing what we're doing.

I guess I shouldn't say I'm not interested in a relationship with her, rather I should just say I stopped thinking about it in order to focus on helping her. Seems like our relationship built anyway, and I'm pretty happy with how things are right now. I don't think asking really made any difference, but it was nice to know.

Anyway, you funny gaffers with some good advice and mostly bad advice, you all made an interesting thread out of this situation. Keep it up.

See OP, you can wear someone down over time and turtle your way into a relationship! ;)

But seriously, congrats on the sex.
 

Aizo

Banned
"And all you guys were wrong because she respects my dedication and sees me as a huge help. She wants to be with me, but she still needs my help. I'm a good guy, so I will keep helping. Did I mention that I'm helpful? This is all completely real stuff that happened. Anyway, we lived happily ever after, and you guys were wrong."
 

WaterAstro

Member
lol holy shit, you guys are way into this feminism thing and trolling that there's really nothing to be gained here anymore. I've got some good advice from like two gaffers and followed through, but the rest of you are just trolling. Enjoy this thread cuz I'm out.

Huh?

Maybe try actually dating before talking about living arrangements and associated costs.

We've been dating, or getting to know each other, for quite some time. I see in relationship gaf talking about 3-5 dates while we're over 50 dates already.
 

Aizo

Banned
You're so confusing with whether or not you were into her and acting like you weren't trying to date her. I don't get it.
 
Thanks, H.Protag,for saying what needed to be said.
I knew you were cool beans when I tagged along with Ravidrath to that one GAF Meetup. :)

It seemed the most succinct way to boil down everything.

E333333333333333333333333333333333333333. Still gutted I had to miss out this year. Would have been nice to see you both again.


LOL What the hell is this still doing on first page.

Alright, here's the update. I listened to the GOOD advice about asking her again. I had the chance to as we went out for dinner after working with her most of the afternoon. I brought up the time I asked her out and asked if her feelings changed.

She said yes. She never thought about relationships seriously until she felt my dedication towards helping her with her life. She got to know me a lot better since she turned me down, and she wants me to be in a relationship, however, she doesn't feel confident in herself when it comes to a relationship where we would live with each other if she isn't making good income.

I told her that her money doesn't matter me, and that I'm going to help her no matter what kind of relationship we're in. She's still not comfortable being unable to share in the expenses, but she really likes our time together because it's giving her a lot of confidence and morale to work hard, so I told her that we can stay the course and keep doing what we're doing.

I guess I shouldn't say I'm not interested in a relationship with her, rather I should just say I stopped thinking about it in order to focus on helping her. Seems like our relationship built anyway, and I'm pretty happy with how things are right now. I don't think asking really made any difference, but it was nice to know.

Anyway, you funny gaffers with some good advice and mostly bad advice, you all made an interesting thread out of this situation. Keep it up.

I...find this really hard to believe, and I was the first person to say I believed Ashodin would succeed in his love quest. You went from no relationship and her turning you down to talking about how she's not confident she could be an equal contributor when you live together? Who goes from zero to married like that? Besides Ashodin, I mean. It just reads like some weird internal fantasy where you're some kind of pedestal-ed, paternal figure that she says she's not worthy of. Sorry if I'm doing you wrong, OP, but it just all reads false.
 

Chmpocalypse

Blizzard
LOL What the hell is this still doing on first page.

Alright, here's the update. I listened to the GOOD advice about asking her again. I had the chance to as we went out for dinner after working with her most of the afternoon. I brought up the time I asked her out and asked if her feelings changed.

She said yes. She never thought about relationships seriously until she felt my dedication towards helping her with her life. She got to know me a lot better since she turned me down, and she wants me to be in a relationship, however, she doesn't feel confident in herself when it comes to a relationship where we would live with each other if she isn't making good income.

I told her that her money doesn't matter me, and that I'm going to help her no matter what kind of relationship we're in. She's still not comfortable being unable to share in the expenses, but she really likes our time together because it's giving her a lot of confidence and morale to work hard, so I told her that we can stay the course and keep doing what we're doing.

I guess I shouldn't say I'm not interested in a relationship with her, rather I should just say I stopped thinking about it in order to focus on helping her. Seems like our relationship built anyway, and I'm pretty happy with how things are right now. I don't think asking really made any difference, but it was nice to know.

Anyway, you funny gaffers with some good advice and mostly bad advice, you all made an interesting thread out of this situation. Keep it up.

I don't see any evidence that she wants to date you. Keep fooling yourself right into a restraining order, I guess. Or better yet, leave her the fuck alone and stop being an expectant creep.
 
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