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16 y/o teen shot dead by police in Arkansas while carrying a BB gun

Worst thing you can do nowadays is call the police when dealing with just about anything.
Although you're doubly fucked if it has to do with the mentally ill.

Seriously, don't call the cops unless you want someone dead.

Cops are hammers and all they see are nails. When they hear of a situation where they may have to use their guns, they've already decided they are going to use their guns, regardless of what happens
 

Media

Member
It was night and a bb gun is easily mistaken for a real gun.

He was shot in the back and the back of the head.

Oh yeah they totally thought he was a danger. It was dark and so was he.

When will this shit fucking end? Why can't we agree that police killing kids is not fucking okay?
 
THEY SHOT HIM IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD.

That's not center mass.

So just to paint a picture, suspect is walking towards a community center holding what looks like a gun and is not complying with your request to put the gun down. What do you do? Let him walk into the building and shoot the place up?
 

Mortemis

Banned
Fucking hell. RIP Aries.

I wonder if the ones who called the police knew they were basically calling in a hit.

Shot in the back of the head eh? Can't wait for the bullshit "I feared for my life so I shot him in the back of the head" story. It'll probably work too.

They'll just spew their bullshit and say he was somehow aiming at them while not even facing them.
 

Enzom21

Member
Yeah fuck that one guy that says let's wait for more information to pop up before we make a rash judgement and call the police officers murderers.

What additional information are you looking for exactly?
Just be honest here, you're looking for information that exonerates the piece of shit who shot a kid in the back of the head.
 
So just to paint a picture, suspect is walking towards a community center holding what looks like a gun and is not complying with your request to put the gun down. What do you do? Let him walk into the building and shoot the place up?

You do your due diligence to maybe make sure that this person isn't a patient there first? This isn't a community center, this is a juvenile emergency center, a place for at risk youth.

And yes, lethal force should be the last resort, always, "he didn't comply immediately" is not then "okay then execute him".
 
This is sad, the same thing all the time and no difference. It will be pushed under the rug and everyone will move on. And there is no one attempting to make a change, those who have power or can influence should be on top of this.
 
I mean if it's dark and your vision is impaired to the point where you can't get a clear shot, maybe you shouldn't discharge your firearm in the direction of a juvenile emergency shelter to begin with, because you might, you know.

Kill a fucking child.
 

Media

Member
So just to paint a picture, suspect is walking towards a community center holding what looks like a gun and is not complying with your request to put the gun down. What do you do? Let him walk into the building and shoot the place up?

Given that the last kid police killed who had a bb gun they literally just rolled up and shot him in less than a second, why are you pushing this "he didn't comply with orders" narritive?

There's a pattern with police and black folk. They kill so many innocent black people for bullshit reasons, they don't get the benefit of the doubt.
 

Syder

Member
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is this legit?!
 

Fat4all

Banned
according to wikipedia you are allowed to open carry without a license in Arkansas, unless sommit changed recently

and that's with a real gun
 
You do your due diligence to maybe make sure that this person isn't a patient there first? This isn't a community center, this is a juvenile emergency center, a place for at risk youth.

And yes, lethal force should be the last resort, always, "he didn't comply immediately" is not then "okay then execute him".

Lethal force shouldn't be met with lethal force? Kid has a bb gun which can look exactly like a real gun. What should they try tasing someone with a gun first before moving up to lethal force? Give me a break. And even if you're a patient, if you have a gun you have a gun.
 
Lethal force shouldn't be met with lethal force? Kid has a bb gun which can look exactly like a real gun. What should they try tasing someone with a gun first before moving up to lethal force? Give me a break. And even if you're a patient, if you have a gun you have a gun.

You DON'T KNOW they have lethal force or not, if a police officers first response is to fucking shoot first and sort it out with some bad PR for 10 minutes, if that, if they end up murdering a CHILD.

THEY MURDERED A CHILD.

What the hell are you trying to defend? This was in the country, people in the country walk around with guns out, if every kid who walked around town with a BB gun was shot and killed without a thought there would be tens of thousands of deaths a year.
 

Enzom21

Member
is this legit?!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2017/
Lethal force shouldn't be met with lethal force? Kid has a bb gun which can look exactly like a real gun. What should they try tasing someone with a gun first before moving up to lethal force? Give me a break. And even if you're a patient, if you have a gun you have a gun.
So you think everyone carrying a gun in public should be shot by police?
 
It's always some ignorant fool throwing crazy ass theories and shit for stuff like this....always. Just to try and paint the cops as doing their job....bullshit they are.
 
I legit just had a damn anecdote on the last page where a GROUP of kids with guns that looked so real I couldn't tell the difference were just chatted with like nothing.

Figure the difference between them and Aries yourself.
 

LycanXIII

Member
So just to paint a picture, suspect is walking towards a community center holding what looks like a gun and is not complying with your request to put the gun down. What do you do? Let him walk into the building and shoot the place up?

Tackle him? Taze him?

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Fox News article
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/26/police-in-east-arkansas-shoot-teen-outside-youth-shelter.html

The shooting happened Tuesday night at East Arkansas Youth Services in Marion, about 10 miles (16 kilometers) northwest of Memphis, Tennessee. Arkansas State Police said in a release that Marion police officers responded to the shelter at 7:08 p.m. Tuesday and "moments later" reported that a teenager had been shot and wounded by police.

I don't know about Arkansas, but in KY, it's still daylight at 7pm, so it "being night" shouldn't be an excuse.
 

olag

Member
Lethal force shouldn't be met with lethal force? Kid has a bb gun which can look exactly like a real gun. What should they try tasing someone with a gun first before moving up to lethal force? Give me a break. And even if you're a patient, if you have a gun you have a gun.

Because they havent confirmed whether its a real gun? Because its a child walking to a ditention centre? Because if it was a weapon then situational de-scalation should have been a priority over shooting a suspect in the back like some hillbilly?

Am I forgetting anything?..............Oh yeah. BECAUSE ITS A FUCKING CHILD?!!!!!

Sigh. Yea but lets go with those damn darkies are making a big deal out of a perfectly justifyable murder again.okay.........
 

Merc_

Member
Lethal force shouldn't be met with lethal force? Kid has a bb gun which can look exactly like a real gun. What should they try tasing someone with a gun first before moving up to lethal force? Give me a break. And even if you're a patient, if you have a gun you have a gun.

The police continue to murder with impunity because they know there are a ton of people out there like you that will justify any one of their kills as long as the victim is black. Thank you for doing your part to ensure that white supremacy and police violence are able to continue unchallenged.
 
So just to paint a picture, suspect is walking towards a community center holding what looks like a gun and is not complying with your request to put the gun down. What do you do? Let him walk into the building and shoot the place up?

so you think police should shoot people dead because they might do something?


are you trying to be a piece of shit?
 
Tackle him? Taze him?

Tackle him? If you were required to tackle gun welding suspects before shooting them who the fuck would sign up to be a police officer in America? It's a paying job just like any other. They shouldn't have to needlessly put their lives on the line just because some joe schmoe who knows nothing about police training and procedure is upset a kid got killed.
 

Merc_

Member
Tackle him? If you were required to tackle gun welding suspects before shooting them who the fuck would sign up to be a police officer in America? It's a paying job just like any other. They shouldn't have to needlessly put their lives on the line just because some joe schmoe who knows nothing about police training and procedure is upset a kid got killed.

Yeah, you sound real broken up about the outcome here.
 
so you think police should shoot people dead because they might do something?


are you trying to be a piece of shit?

They succeeded, me thinks. True ignorance and brain dead hypothesis at its finest. Never seen someone go to such lengths to look stupid and get embarrassed by people who actually know what's going on at the same time.
 

LycanXIII

Member
Tackle him? If you were required to tackle gun welding suspects before shooting them who the fuck would sign up to be a police officer in America? It's a paying job just like any other. They shouldn't have to needlessly put their lives on the line just because some joe schmoe who knows nothing about police training and procedure is upset a kid got killed.

What do you know about police training and procedures? Shoot first for a paid vacation?
 

Media

Member
Tackle him? If you were required to tackle gun welding suspects before shooting them who the fuck would sign up to be a police officer in America? It's a paying job just like any other. They shouldn't have to needlessly put their lives on the line just because some joe schmoe who knows nothing about police training and procedure is upset a kid got killed.

You know that the state he was killed in is an open carry state right? So like groups of white dudes with AKs walk around Walmart to express their right to bare arms but this kid with a bb gun needed to be shot on sight because he might be a danger?


Maybe, just maybe, you should think about the fact that this isn't the first time police have killed an innocent black child, and they never get punished for killing unarmed innocent black men or legally armed black men for no fucking reason. Maybe you should have some fucking empathy for the fact that someone lost their child tonight to state sponsered murder.

And being a police officer isn't "just another job" when they kill so many fucking people for no reason. They need to be held to a higher standard than the stoned kid working the till at Taco Bell.
 
You know that the state he was killed in is an open carry state right? So like groups of white dudes with AKs walk around Walmart to express their right to bare arms but this kid with a bb gun needed to be shot on sight because he might be a danger?

Like I said open carry as in gun on your holster. Not in your hand with your finger on the trigger. I'll admit I'm wrong that the police may have been justified if this kid had his bb gun holstered.
 
Tackle him? If you were required to tackle gun welding suspects before shooting them who the fuck would sign up to be a police officer in America? It's a paying job just like any other. They shouldn't have to needlessly put their lives on the line just because some joe schmoe who knows nothing about police training and procedure is upset a kid got killed.

Seeing as that is exactly what they signed up for... Just like those that join the fire department, military, etc.

It's only the police that usually get free pass when they fuck up. It's people like you that gives them that free pass.
 

olag

Member
Tackle him? If you were required to tackle gun welding suspects before shooting them who the fuck would sign up to be a police officer in America? It's a paying job just like any other. They shouldn't have to needlessly put their lives on the line just because some joe schmoe who knows nothing about police training and procedure is upset a kid got killed.

This America is why you have police issues. Because of individuals who dont understand that police like soldiers are/should be trained to approach violence as a last resort or at the very least only use it when all threats have been identified.

This is why that war veteran who successfully talked down a suicide victim was fired, becauae individuals like the poster above dont even have the common sense to expect basic professional competence from trained individuals and instead blithely accept the status quote.
 
Tackle him? If you were required to tackle gun welding suspects before shooting them who the fuck would sign up to be a police officer in America? It's a paying job just like any other. They shouldn't have to needlessly put their lives on the line just because some joe schmoe who knows nothing about police training and procedure is upset a kid got killed.

So just out of curiosity, would you have done the same if you were in those cops' shoes?

Would you have put a bullet into the back of the kid's brain and justify yourself that it was absolutely the right thing to do?

Because if your answer is no, I don't see why you can't hold cops to higher standards
 

Fat4all

Banned
You know that the state he was killed in is an open carry state right? So like groups of white dudes with AKs walk around Walmart to express their right to bare arms but this kid with a bb gun needed to be shot on sight because he might be a danger?

Don't you see? It's the child fault for not having a BB Gun strap!

You'd never see people in an open carry state handling their guns with their hands in pub-

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Media

Member
Like I said open carry as in gun on your holster. Not in your hand with your finger on the trigger. I'll admit I'm wrong that the police may have been justified if this kid had his bb gun holstered.

Your last sentence...do you even hear yourself? Please see my edit to my last post to you and get some fucking perspective.
 

Wag

Member
I remember seeing an article where a police officer in Iceland APOLOGIZED to the family of a crazed violent man that was shot dead by police. It was so rare even justified shootings warranted an apology.

In the US they won't apologize because that just opens themselves up to a lawsuit.
 
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