People can be rehabilitated it just doesn't mean they necessarily deserve forgiveness or the crimes forgotten, much more of the mind of rehabilitation and giving criminals skills that can benefit society, there are some cases that are probably a lost cause at least for now with our limited knowledge on mental health. Of course those are more the extreme cases Nick can change and one can hope it leads to him getting behavioural therapy and realizing his wrongs.
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Nick Robinson (Polygon) involved in sexual harassment allegations [Suspended]
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People can be rehabilitated it just doesn't mean they necessarily deserve forgiveness or the crimes forgotten, much more of the mind of rehabilitation and giving criminals skills that can benefit society, there are some cases that are probably a lost cause at least for now with our limited knowledge on mental health. Of course those are more the extreme cases Nick can change and one can hope it leads to him getting behavioural therapy and realizing his wrongs.
This GAF thread isn't going to wreck his life. We don't have the power you seem to think we have. Also, we can still judge someone if what they do isn't part of their profession or criminal. If Nick gets off with minimal punishment (which he probably won't), that won't make any of us wrong (except those who predicted he would be punished, I guess).
CaviarMeths
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It will never cease to baffle me why so many people are willing to go to bat and die on a hill for a complete stranger who does shitty things and is probably a shitty person.
always crazy bacon
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I think a lot of those defenders are projecting. TBH
Spiritual_Chaos
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I guess every action has a an equal and opposite reaction. Haha.
I also don't think his life is ruined, because if the Vox Media investigation finds that the claims are bogus, he keeps his job at Polygon, and his life goes on. If Vox Media don't have any evidence on him, but fire him anyway, that would be a problem
Maybe it should be brought up again, we seem to be asking questions again.
Unwanted sexual advances are sexual harassment.
You can approach people without it being a sexual advance.
Just because there exist greater evils doesn't mean we shouldn't make a big deal about harassment.
Unwanted sexual advances are sexual harassment.
You can approach people without it being a sexual advance.
Just because there exist greater evils doesn't mean we shouldn't make a big deal about harassment.
Spiritual_Chaos
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nvm
FlutterPuffs
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He's not getting registered as a sex offender so he will be fine. Just don't expect him to have another 'influencer' kind of job though.
Except, if he is innocent, the cloud of all of this attention follows him literally forever and he's known as a perv asshole.
If this stuff is true, he deserves to roast, but I just don't understand why stuff like this always all comes out at once and in as public of a way as possible. I legitimately don't understand what is stopping all of these people, taking the clear cut evidence they seem to have, going to Vox and saying look your employee is harassing people. Maybe I'm just naive,
A bit, yes.
It all comes out at once because the one person who shares their experiences in a public way is what gets the ball rolling. Up until then there might have been 3, 4, 5, however many people thinking they had been the only ones, feeling like they shouldn't try to fuck up anyone's life / career over what might have possibly been a misunderstanding (as to whether or not they sent out the "wrong" signals?, unintentionally creating a flirty vibe?). - especially when it's someone you like or admire. When the consequences of said person losing their job would mean they wouldn't be able to create the content that you like, anymore.
As soon as you see others having had the same experience, you realize that what happened to you wasn't a one-off thing, but the person is systematically putting women into these kinds of positions. So people start raising their hands.
Jangowuzhere
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This is a bit off topic, but I'm always fascinated that a thread like this manages to reach 'right' leaning circles and how it throws them all into an absolute frenzy.
These are the same kinds of people that find "outrage" culture to be the worst thing ever. And yet here they are constantly looking at this thread trying to find something to get pissed about. All so they can write tons of overly long conspiracy level posts on whatever forum they dwell in just to prove the "SJWs" wrong.
I used to get angry at this stuff, but now I just laugh at it.
These are the same kinds of people that find "outrage" culture to be the worst thing ever. And yet here they are constantly looking at this thread trying to find something to get pissed about. All so they can write tons of overly long conspiracy level posts on whatever forum they dwell in just to prove the "SJWs" wrong.
I used to get angry at this stuff, but now I just laugh at it.
Mikey Jr.
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People care about the economy and their jobs.
SkyTurnsRed
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Imagine if it leaked out that you were the female who got Nick Robinson fired, and think about this thread. You're going to have thousands of his super loyal followers hounding you, calling you a liar, or saying "it's not that bad, maybe it's your fault" AND GamerGate just waiting to dox you and tear you apart in public.
Having people all come out at once carries a sense of camaraderie and support.
SkyTurnsRed
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Both of which are heading towards decline as the middle class evaporates faster. The job growth rate is lower than it was before he got elected.
Not going to continue this argument though, because it is off topic.
Trump didn't win because of the economy. He won primarily due to his embrace of racist pro-White policy. We have even have studies that have shown this since the election.
Pretending like Trumps hardcore base or supporters aren't racists is just ignoring the truth here.
Spiritual_Chaos
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Coal > Women
None of which are in good hands even in the hands of moderate right-wing politicians, let alone in the hands of people like Trump & his posse of ultra rich monsters.
RichiRamjag
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I know a few people that voted for trump and I've never heard anyone seriously say they voted him in to fix the economy. Shit, I'm a gun carrying, mildly conservative fella and even I couldn't justify a vote for that doofus.
hardcastlemccormick
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Yeah, going to a company with these allegations might be the right thing to do, but this guy was making threatening statements to telling folks about these advancements. And you just don't know how many others are out there that will help you make your case. I mean, how many people think that talking to some PR or HR person at a company you might not even work for will help? Think how far this rabbit hole goes, how much effort and sacrifice you'd have to invest before anything might get done. PR and HR are there to save company face. They might not care. They might tell you to start costly legal action. Or you might get into a situation where this piece of shit knows you told on him to his bosses. And he's told them not to do that. And he's already proven he's a piece of shit that has harassed you once. Do you get it now?
For the harassed women, anything but this sort of class-action Twitter public revelation just really isn't feasible unless you have the willpower and the emotion to see it through. And those you talk to still might not care. Or attack you in return.
Shitter don't give a fuuuuk
Bobo Dakes
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Given how ACTUAL lynchings have gone in the past, I'm baffled that some of you insist on using it as a metaphor to describe this situation.
RumbleHumble
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That'd be great, but they're too busy programming push notifications on your app every time two people you follow like something.
RumbleHumble
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hardcastlemccormick
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Honestly this sort of public allegations are a good thing in that they give a lot of marginalized people a voice. People just dont see the scale of bad behavior. It affects a lot of people.
Do people honestly think that women would rather tattle on Twitter (with the likelihood of something actually happening as a result being decently low unless a LOT of women speak up) rather than privately and safely address the issue? Someone made them feel unsafe and harassed, if they could privately kick his ass in some way they would. It's the rational thing to want. The women who are publicly speaking out are brave for taking the steps they have, putting their names on the line.
People just don't think about the options. Like really, put yourself in the shoes of someone who is harassed. Even if it wouldn't upset you, imagine it did. Think for five seconds about how to get justice. And then you'll understand just how much effort, time, and sacrifices you'd be making, and how you could just be living your life instead. But then imagine that you just had to keep going despite being in an industry surrounded by sexist shitbags and gamergator fuckwits.
Do people honestly think that women would rather tattle on Twitter (with the likelihood of something actually happening as a result being decently low unless a LOT of women speak up) rather than privately and safely address the issue? Someone made them feel unsafe and harassed, if they could privately kick his ass in some way they would. It's the rational thing to want. The women who are publicly speaking out are brave for taking the steps they have, putting their names on the line.
People just don't think about the options. Like really, put yourself in the shoes of someone who is harassed. Even if it wouldn't upset you, imagine it did. Think for five seconds about how to get justice. And then you'll understand just how much effort, time, and sacrifices you'd be making, and how you could just be living your life instead. But then imagine that you just had to keep going despite being in an industry surrounded by sexist shitbags and gamergator fuckwits.
Spiritual_Chaos
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Do you think there exist a flip-side to the positives?
The fact that this type of behavior is common should not be a defense of it.
Guy thinks hes being flirty and fun, when really hes making her uncomfortable.
To deflect the awkwardness the girls laugh it off to him. Some even do eventuallly send a picture. So hes reinforced to say that worked, girls like my soft boy flirting style so he does it again and again.
Every send nudes is sent with a joke. So he can always fall back on I wasnt being serious! If it backfires. And if she sends a pic he also wins.
It also leaves the women in a situation where it can seem that nothing really happened. Was he kidding?.this was gross but isnt worth saying anything about
The problem is then hes doing this to more and more women. Young women, fans, people who WANT him to like them. People who dont want to ruin their careers. Everyone feels gross but no one says anything because it wasnt that bad.
If you see yourself in Nicks situation, I hope this is a wake up call. If you say hes just joking around because you also joke around about a girl sending nudes. Then maybe this will help you realize how gross your behavior actually is
Guy thinks hes being flirty and fun, when really hes making her uncomfortable.
To deflect the awkwardness the girls laugh it off to him. Some even do eventuallly send a picture. So hes reinforced to say that worked, girls like my soft boy flirting style so he does it again and again.
Every send nudes is sent with a joke. So he can always fall back on I wasnt being serious! If it backfires. And if she sends a pic he also wins.
It also leaves the women in a situation where it can seem that nothing really happened. Was he kidding?.this was gross but isnt worth saying anything about
The problem is then hes doing this to more and more women. Young women, fans, people who WANT him to like them. People who dont want to ruin their careers. Everyone feels gross but no one says anything because it wasnt that bad.
If you see yourself in Nicks situation, I hope this is a wake up call. If you say hes just joking around because you also joke around about a girl sending nudes. Then maybe this will help you realize how gross your behavior actually is
SkyTurnsRed
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I agree with this, but I also wanted to say that I really love your username.
Twitter taking serious steps to do anything is a joke, they don't give a shit, and until people start putting the screws to them, or start leaving their platform they'll keep up SOP.
Yearsoflurking
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You can.. block people
Hydranockz
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Blocking them does nothing once the harassment has occurred.
How else do you rile up other people who were harassed to come out other than to go public?
The most professional way would be to contact HR of the company he works for, but chances are they will treat this as an isolated (minor) case. Furthermore, in the case of many influencers like those on youtube, complaints to their employers will unfortunately fall on deaf ears. Not saying that would be the case here with Vox, but the way other influencer driven companies treat complaints, factors in to how internet culture is shaped.
As is now, I assume Vox will conduct proper research and make a decision based on that.
Yearsoflurking
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Twitter also has a report feature. Realistically you can report and block unwanted people in your dm. That's what I do
Hydranockz
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Doesn't do shit man.
Seth Enosh
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How could twitter stop someone from sending creepy private messages?
I assume there'd be a massive outcry if twitter had human censors review each message sent and received, even if that solution was scalable. And AI would probably lead to a lot of false positives.
Man, I'm blocked I wish I could just make infinite accounts and keep harrassing..
Yearsoflurking
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Blocking takes seconds to get unwanted people out of your mentions.
On a lawful level? Yeah you're right but It got people out my dms who were creeps
That's kind of by the by though... like all toxic internet encounters, sure you can have options to mute/block/report and so on, but you have to experience it first. If that's happening on a daily basis, even if you are using the tools each time, it wears.
Hydranockz
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That ultimately has nothing to do with any of this though, does it? Your disingenuous remarks aren't fooling me.
AntraxSuicide
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Betting on the block feature is like saying "there's a person out on the street groping women, just get inside and lock up." It does nothing to discourage that behavior. Twitter can very easily ban people, but they're a shit company that doesn't like to take a stand on harassment.
And I think the people saying "asking for nudes is just a question" should consider that question in real life, not online. If a guy walked up to a person on the street and said "show me those tits" that's clearly harassment. Even if there are women who might do it!
And I think the people saying "asking for nudes is just a question" should consider that question in real life, not online. If a guy walked up to a person on the street and said "show me those tits" that's clearly harassment. Even if there are women who might do it!
so what do you want them to do?
The whole point is that the onus should not be on the victims of harassment. There needs to be discussion and awareness of the problem to hopefully make it more clear to other men that this type or predatory online behavior is not ok.
CannonFodder52
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The "why not just block" argument is awful. I swear it comes up in every thread like this.
Yea, I probably shouldn't give their sites views, but I love checking up on that shit.
Yea, I probably shouldn't give their sites views, but I love checking up on that shit.
Jaguar Victory
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Damn, dude is getting his comeuppance quick. Hopefully he learns from it. RIP career.
That's what he gets for fucking with Landon. LMAO.
That's what he gets for fucking with Landon. LMAO.
Yearsoflurking
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Um what? I'm on twitter myself with thousands of followers in fact. How in the hell am I being disingenuous for stating that twitter does have features to stop people from harassing you like all other social media platforms. Report as spam is infact my most used feature after tweet
Unfortunately with social media I've grown accustomed to how nasty and disgusting people can be. Social media Anonymity has ruined a lot.
Hydranockz
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Answer the question: What does your use of twitter have to do with any of this? Stop deflecting with your "oh I use twitter and block annoying people all the time" nonsense.
Twitter should be suspending and banning far more accounts than they do. Their moderation system is a joke to the point where it basically doesn't exist.
You are missing the poing on purpose and I won't continue to ellaborate more
Yearsoflurking
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The conversation was about Twitter needing to do something about people harassing others on the platform. They have a feature it's the block and report feature. How am I deflecting for telling you twitter does in fact have a feature that works. Accounts are suspended after investigations as well. Let me ask you this what would you like for twitter to do differently?
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