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Explosion on London tube

Awful news.

My only hope is that it'll be easy to track down the bastard who placed it due to the plethora of cctv.

One advantage to that Lidl shopping bag is that it should make them easier to pick out. Especially packed with the particularly round shape of a bucket inside.
 

DrFurbs

Member
Sorry but that is totally white washing what the IRA did. For example, they killed two children in my hometown (Warrington). They sent a warning to the Samaritans in Liverpool (20 miles away, covered by a different police authority, only 30 minutes notice) saying there was a bomb outside of a Boots shop, when they had also placed a second bomb outside of an Argos. They had timed them so people fleeing there first bomb would be in the perfect place to get hit by the second. They had put them inside metal bins so shrapnel would fly everywhere. If they weren't trying to maximize civilian causalities they wouldn't have done any of that.

Of course you are correct. The point I'm making is. If the IRA had the same mentality as these terrorists, those figures would be tens of times higher. All terrorists are cunts, but what we are dealing with is very be different. I dont see how you can't see the magnitude in difference.
 
That doesn't make it ok. The IRA didn't actively go out of their way to mass murder. They almost always gave warnings before a major incident went off. This is a very different breed of terrorism. You simply can't neogiate with this.

I think you missed the fact that the effects in terms of human fatalities are several orders of magnitude lower.
 

kharma45

Member
Jesus, I had no idea the IRA targeted so many civilians.



Thank God it didn't go off.

It wasn't just the IRA. There was the UDA, UFF, UVF etc as well.

That doesn't make it ok. The IRA didn't actively go out of their way to mass murder. They almost always gave warnings before a major incident went off. This is a very different breed of terrorism. You simply can't neogiate with this.

Great warnings in Omagh and Enniskillen.
 
Oh yeah, warnings. Often unspecific warnings without giving enough time to properly evacuate. My parents were supposed to have gone to The Tavern in the Town the night of the Birmingham pub bombings, and it's pure good luck that they decided against it and weren't killed.

I'm sorry, but the whitewashing of the IRA that some people take part in makes me sick.

They can't be baddies, Brad Pitt played one and he's too handsome to be evil!
 
It wasn't just the IRA. There was the UDA, UFF, UVF etc as well.



Great warnings in Omagh and Enniskillen.

There were warnings apparently

At the same time, Maggie Hall was working in the headquarters of Ulster Televition in Belfast. Around 14:30 she answered the telephone and heard a man give her a bomb warning. (The transcript of this is given below.) She immediately phoned the RUC's emergency switchboard and spoke to Constable George Mullan.

A recording of the phone call shows her saying: "I'm only after getting a call from a man with a country accent, saying there's a bomb in Omagh main street near the courthouse, a 500lb bomb. It's going to go off in 30 minutes". She also told the Constable Mullan that the caller had given the codeword "Malta Pope". Constable Mullan then phoned the warning through to Omagh. He later said that the codeword gave him the "gut feeling" that this was not a hoax. Three minutes later the phone rang again and a second warning was given, this time reducing the time to 15 minutes.

30 minutes is not a long time, then the 15 minutes time was phoned in so I guess they fucked that timer up.

Edit:
I should have read the rest of this :|

The only target specified was the courthouse in Omagh. The street specified does not exist. The map shows that the courthouse is approximately 500 yards from where the car was actually abandoned, at the other end of the town centre. The police cordoned off High Street and moved people away from the courthouse and the top end of the town and moved them towards the supposed safety of Market Street. They began carefully searching the area around the courthouse

These inaccurate warnings effectively doubled the number of people in the vicinity of the car-bomb when it detonated at 3:10pm. Many of those who were killed had been in High Street, but the misleading warnings meant that they were actually moved into danger, rather than away from it.

Fuck
 

Kuros

Member
It wasn't just the IRA. There was the UDA, UFF, UVF etc as well.



Great warnings in Omagh and Enniskillen.

The difference being that for many people on the mainland weren't effected by what the UDF etc did. Hence why they never get brought up. They were just as nasty bastards as the IRA however.
 

DrFurbs

Member
It wasn't just the IRA. There was the UDA, UFF, UVF etc as well.



Great warnings in Omagh and Enniskillen.

We both know those scum fucked up that day and civilians were not their intended target. I'mim from N.I and lived through the worst of what most of you read about. I know family and friends who were killed and maimed. I have seen it things most only read about in the news. Believe me, what we are dealing with now is vastly different. Terrorism is terrorism end of but the idealogy behind these groups are diametrically different.

Let us hope they never get their hands on nuclear or biological material.
 

Kuros

Member
There were warnings apparently



30 minutes is not a long time, then the 15 minutes time was phoned in so I guess they fucked that timer up.

Edit:
I should have read the rest of this :|



Fuck

The RIRA fucked the warning up at Omagh. Hence the huge loss of live. They were a ragtag bunch at that point anyway.

There was no warning at Eniskillen and it pretty much lost them all the support they had in the south and lead to the famous Bono rant on stage. It was the beginning of the end for them.
 

jufonuk

not tag worthy
either trump is speculating or he is leaking information.

I errr.. all I know is Obama would have been more measured and calmer

Thank God it was nothing

I am glad the aftermath turned out to be nothing in the grand scheme of innocent lives lost.
it's a lucky break, had it gone wrong it would have been a different atmosphere in town today.
 

sammex

Member
BBC confirming on the 1pm news that only the top section of the bucket has exploded, possibly only the detonator. It's also confirmed to have had a timer so the culprit should have been caught on cctv leaving it on the train.

Thankfully it went wrong as it could have been devastating.
 
BBC confirming on the 1pm news that only the top section of the bucket has exploded, possibly only the detonator. It's also confirmed to have had a timer so the culprit should have been caught on cctv leaving it on the train.

Thankfully it went wrong as it could have been devastating.

So will we find out how big the blast could have been if it was only the detonator that went off?

I'm a bit worried that a second attempt will be made relatively soon to account for this failure.
 

sammex

Member
So will we find out how big the blast could have been if it was only the detonator that went off?

I'm a bit worried that a second attempt will be made relatively soon to account for this failure.

I doubt we'll know for sure or that they'll make it public, but the BBC security expert said it would've been likely that at least everyone on that carriage would've been killed from the explosion.

He also said the chemicals might not have been mixed properly and that could be why there was a fireball rather than a full explosion, and that's why passengers could also smell fumes afterwards. Also that it was a pressure cooker style IED.
 
Believe me, what we are dealing with now is vastly different. Terrorism is terrorism end of but the idealogy behind these groups are diametrically different.

I don't doubt there were differences in ideology as well as method. The most recent terrorism has been a succession of global campaigns and (while Irish terrorists did occasionally go for civilian kills) has been unusual in going almost exclusively for soft targets. In killing, though, it's indisputably the case that the Irish wave of terrorism had a very high kill rate early on.

It looks to me as if this was reduced greatly as intelligence and security improved (and perhaps as those running the campaigns recognised that killing civilians ran counter to their aims and reduced their grassroots support).

We're more tolerant of anti-terrorist security activities in the UK than we have ever been, and London in particular is somewhat infamous for the high degree of camera surveillance. The fact that camera surveillance isn't very effective ought to be quite evident. But awareness of terrorism as a problem tends to lead to increased awareness and vigilance, and penetration of terrorist cells further reduces the ability of cells to plan attacks.

Recently IS has been reduced to attempting to inspire freelance attacks, employing ad hoc methods such as vehicles and knives. Such attacks are effective at first because of surprise, and because the disruption of communication networks is ineffective when there is no network. We should expect them to reduce in incidence over time because they rely on the existence of highly radicalised individuals not yet being watched closely. The security services can just pay more attention and close the gap. Likewise, event organisers can make their plans in coordination with the police in order to reduce the concentration of easy targets where this is possible, and commit more resources to on-site surveillance.
 
either trump is speculating or he is leaking information.

Now now we all know that ole Donny boy always waits for the "facts" before commenting on things. You know the "real" facts.

As for some in here trying to paint the IRA as "nice" terrorists, yeah erm that is a shitty thing to do. The IRA were terrorists that targeted and killed innocent men, women and children.

Glad no one was harmed in this attack. Unfortunately there is very little that can be done to stop this kind of random terrorist attack. It simply is not feasible to do daily pat downs and bag searches of up to 5 million people.
 

DrFurbs

Member
Bit off topic, but was the explosive compound used in the Manchester attack ever revealed?

(Home made, nitrogen based?)

What do you think today's was made of?
 

Greddleok

Member
Oh yeah, warnings. Often unspecific warnings without giving enough time to properly evacuate. My parents were supposed to have gone to The Tavern in the Town the night of the Birmingham pub bombings, and it's pure good luck that they decided against it and weren't killed.

I'm sorry, but the whitewashing of the IRA that some people take part in makes me sick.

Yup this is ridiculous. You don't accidentally kill people when you blow up public places.
 
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Deleted member 325805

Unconfirmed Member
I doubt we'll know for sure or that they'll make it public, but the BBC security expert said it would've been likely that at least everyone on that carriage would've been killed from the explosion.

He also said the chemicals might not have been mixed properly and that could be why there was a fireball rather than a full explosion, and that's why passengers could also smell fumes afterwards. Also that it was a pressure cooker style IED.

Can you imagine being one of those people, I'm sure they don't feel lucky now but when the shock wears off and they realise the terrorists incompetence is the only reason they're alive they sure will.
 
Bit off topic, but was the explosive compound used in the Manchester attack ever revealed?

(Home made, nitrogen based?)

What do you think today's was made of?

Don't think they have. At most it's been the style of the bomb - ie, a nail bomb filled with bits of metal to cause additional damage.
 
I'm surprised no CCTV images have been released yet given the nature of the incident.

They must already know the identity and likely location of where the suspect is.
 
I'm surprised no CCTV images have been released yet given the nature of the incident.

They must already know the identity and likely location of where the suspect is.

Possible. Even beyond the possibility they were aware of the attacker before hand and so could ID them once they got some CCTV footage of 'em, that they got onboard a train provides a potential trail of evidence. There's a lot of stages at which one could tie their identity to their ticket purchase.
 
I am surprised someone can get off the train these days and leave behind something as big as that and no one says anything. Unless it was literally the stop before and the train too packed to notice.
 

Maledict

Member
I'm surprised no CCTV images have been released yet given the nature of the incident.

They must already know the identity and likely location of where the suspect is.

They don't release any information whilst police actions are taking place. Doing so would only alert the attacker that they were under pursuit.
 

Breakage

Member
So it was an IED that didn't go off fully. A lot of people had a lucky escape today. Surprised an attack didn't happen sooner: a rush hour tube train is an easy way to rack up a high body count.
 

h1nch

Member
This is awful, really hope nobody is seriously hurt.

I'll be in London in little over a month. No lame ass terrorists are going to keep my tourist dollars away. I'm looking forward to riding the tube (not during rush hour)
 
So it was an IED that didn't go off fully. A lot of people had a lucky escape today. Surprised an attack didn't happen sooner: a rush hour tube train is an easy way to rack up a high body count.
Moscow, London, and Brussels have all been hit in the last decade (spain too, though that was technically a commuter train)

NYC had a planned attack thwarted

Paris had someone try to do something with the subway back in the 90 (don't think it was an IED and it was a separatist attack I think)
 

Currygan

at last, for christ's sake
sis was at Putney Bridge this morning, I can't possibly imagine

These jerkoffs think we are scared. They dont know us
 
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