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[fleck0]

My brain says it was wrong to punch him. We live in a civilized society, we need to follow the rules.

I always thought one of the rules in America was No Nazis.

 

[Horp]

Nice punch.

 

[Anung]

My brain says it was wrong to punch him. We live in a civilized society, we need to follow the rules.

When he put on that armband he rejected civilised society and he paid the price. I don't feel bad for him.

 

[Shaanyboi]

I always thought one of the rules in America was No Nazis.

Have you seen the White House lately?

 

[fleck0]

Have you seen the White House lately?

yeah I almost edited it to 'used to think'

 

[starchild excalibur]

Yeah, because this bunch hasn't got around to committing war atrocities yet it should be viewed as harmless ideology?

It's fucking Nazi's, they have no room for nuance in their doctrine, much like the argument you present above.

You're the one talking about "harmless ideologies," not me. I just elaborated on the point of the person you were responding to.

 

[Aselith]

Have you seen the White House lately?

 

[FUME5]

You're the one talking about "harmless ideologies," not me. I just elaborated on the point of the person you were responding to.

Do you agree with his point?

 

[sirap]

Ya'll be walking around spouting Nazi bullshit and the worst thing that'll happen to you is a punch to the face.

Must be nice being white.

 

[Rmagnus]

Anyone who takes moderate positions on Nazis needs to be shut in a room and made to watch Holocaust videos for a few days straight.

Unless it impacts them personally many people are indifferent to it.

 

[Laughing Banana]

I'm not as eloquent as many others here. I just joined neogaf for the games, maybe I should've stayed away from this thread. I just don't think that violence is the answer, celebrating it is not right, Imo.

Eh, if I ever have someone come to my face yelling for no reason that I am a subhuman or that my identity is inferior because of what I am or whatever, I'd punch that person on the face, men or women, consequences be damned.

You don't get to abuse me in such a hurtful way like that and get away unscathed.

 

[David H Wong]

Yeah, because this bunch hasn't got around to committing war atrocities yet it should be viewed as harmless ideology?

It's fucking Nazi's, they have no room for nuance in their doctrine, much like the argument you present above.

So you'd support armed mobs taking it upon themselves to root out radical Islam? You trust them to do that, to go around to mosques beating the shit out of Muslims they think are promoting jihad?

See, I think that would go wrong real fast; I think violent mobs are shitty at due process.

 

[Aquavelvaman]

If you want to upload the video to youtube and keep it from getting taken down just title it "Social experiment gone wrong!" or "Nazi prank - gone too far?"

 

[MaximumSpider]

Satisfying punch

 

[Autoignition]

So you'd support armed mobs taking it upon themselves to root out radical Islam? You trust them to do that, to go around to mosques beating the shit out of Muslims they think are promoting jihad?

See, I think that would go wrong real fast; I think violent mobs are shitty at due process.

No. One. Is. Talking. About. Radical. Islam.

This. Thread. Is. About. Nazis.

 

[DietRob]

I'm not as eloquent as many others here. I just joined neogaf for the games, maybe I should've stayed away from this thread. I just don't think that violence is the answer, celebrating it is not right, Imo.

The problem with you and others who keep saying this never enlighten the rest of us with what the "right answer" is.

Please do tell us. How should these degenerates be handled.

PS. Ignoring them is not an answer.

 

[fleck0]

So you'd support armed mobs taking it upon themselves to root out radical Islam? You trust them to do that, to go around to mosques beating the shit out of Muslims they think are promoting jihad?

See, I think that would go wrong real fast; I think violent mobs are shitty at due process.

Well if the people they're going after are wearing signs and saying "I am a radical Islamist!" I don't think I'd complain.

 

[petran79]

Unless it impacts them personally many people are indifferent to it.

In Europe such parties are elected to parlament. So it does affect the whole country

 

[cdyhybrid]

So you'd support armed mobs taking it upon themselves to root out radical Islam? You trust them to do that, to go around to mosques beating the shit out of Muslims they think are promoting jihad?

See, I think that would go wrong real fast; I think violent mobs are shitty at due process.

Is there a symbol that universally indicates subscribing to the ideology of "radical Islam"?

 

[Necro]

Eh, if I ever have someone come to my face yelling for no reason that I am a subhuman or that my identity is inferior because of what I am or whatever, I'd punch that person on the face, men or women, consequences be damned.

You don't get to abuse me in such a hurtful way like that and get away unscathed.

A real nazi would jump at the opportunity to crush those he deems "inferior"

These are children playing pretend.

 

[Aquavelvaman]

So you'd support armed mobs taking it upon themselves to root out radical Islam? You trust them to do that, to go around to mosques beating the shit out of Muslims they think are promoting jihad?

See, I think that would go wrong real fast; I think violent mobs are shitty at due process.

If someone with an ISIS armband was screaming on the street corner about beheading people then we'd all be happy about him getting punched in the face.

If someone went into a southern Baptist church and started punching people because of Nazis then we wouldn't support that.

It's not even at all hard to understand.

 

[Black Republican]

these threads always get 2000+ posts, black person gets murdered for no reason? less than 5 pages. amazing

 

[Lois_Lane]

So you'd support armed mobs taking it upon themselves to root out radical Islam? You trust them to do that, to go around to mosques beating the shit out of Muslims they think are promoting jihad?

See, I think that would go wrong real fast; I think violent mobs are shitty at due process.

Wait a fucking minute. Are you really equating Muslims with Nazis now. Really?

Muslims can live generally peaceful tolerant lives where they treat everyone with respect and would never wish harm on anyone nor sit back while others commit harm. How many Nazis can do that?

To be a muslim you must follow Muhammad. To be a Nazi you must want genocide. How are these things fucking comparable? I can't believe I used to fucking like you.

 

[Laughing Banana]

A real nazi would jump at the opportunity to crush those he deems "inferior"

These are children playing pretend.

Regardless, anyone hurting me (people) deliberately should be ready for me (the people) to hurt them back. Kindness can only be extended so far.

 

[The Kree]

these threads always get 2000+ posts, black person gets murdered for no reason? less than 5 pages. amazing

White supremacy is self sustaining for a reason.

 

[David H Wong]

Yeah, because this bunch hasn't got around to committing war atrocities yet it should be viewed as harmless ideology?

It's fucking Nazi's, they have no room for nuance in their doctrine, much like the argument you present above.

You intentionally dodged the point because you know you're wrong. If you truly see these as the same as the guys we fought in World War II, you wouldn't be talking about punches - you'd be talking about bombs. Do you support that? Do you support killing them on sight, as if we were in a combat zone?

If not, then yeah, there apparently is nuance in how we react, because we're just talking about mild physical violence and not drone strikes. When you say, "We always treat Nazis the same!" you're saying something you know isn't true. No, we have never treated hate mongers or extreme right politicians the same as we treat uniformed soldiers in a combat zone.

So now that we've agreed on that, let's talk about how we do want to treat them. But remember that 99.9% of the racist/nationalist movements in the world have been put down by peaceful means - David Duke holds no power because he lost one election after another. It required no war to stop him - just public mockery and people going to the polls. Virtually no open white supremacists hold office in the USA, even though tens of thousands would like to. They run for city council, mayor, governor, and they lose. Not at the hands of armed mobs, but because they just fail to sway public opinion or to get donors.

Sorry if that doesn't satisfy the easy dopamine rush of violence, but the vast majority of time, that's what victory looks like.

 

[FUME5]

So you'd support armed mobs taking it upon themselves to root out radical Islam? You trust them to do that, to go around to mosques beating the shit out of Muslims they think are promoting jihad?

See, I think that would go wrong real fast; I think violent mobs are shitty at due process.

One dude wears a swastika armband and spouts incendiary bullshit in the street, gets punched once by one of the people he's talking shit about, gets knocked out, people return to their daily business.

I am 100% A-OK with that scenario.

You think someone espousing radical Islam on the street to bypassers isn't getting knocked the fuck out? If they're standing there with an isis armband and talking hateful shit I'd be 100% A-OK with that as well.

It's a looooong bow to draw to suggest that I'm endorsing mob rule.

EDIT

As for your second post, and how we treat them, under whose system of law are we talking? Because here in Australia we have hate speech laws. I'll continually vote for those who push for an inclusive social agenda and seek to treat everyone I encounter fairly.

If I happen to come across a piece of shit like this I'd have to calculate whether to catch a grievous bodily harm charge.

 

[MUnited83]

So you'd support armed mobs taking it upon themselves to root out radical Islam? You trust them to do that, to go around to mosques beating the shit out of Muslims they think are promoting jihad?

See, I think that would go wrong real fast; I think violent mobs are shitty at due process.

If the radical Islamist stands in the middle of the street and says he's a radical Islamist and that he's going to kill you as soon as he gets the chance, yeah, beat that fucker up. The Nazi is saying the same thing by wearing his fucking armband.
Not sure how mob could be shitty at due process on this situation. What are they going to do, beat up another guy wearing a swastika armband? Geez, how awful would that be.

 

[Shaanyboi]

So you'd support armed mobs taking it upon themselves to root out radical Islam? You trust them to do that, to go around to mosques beating the shit out of Muslims they think are promoting jihad?

See, I think that would go wrong real fast; I think violent mobs are shitty at due process.

Every fucking time.

A) Where do you see an armed mob? I see one nazi trying to start shit against two other guys, with someone else further back filming.

B) Anyone equating violent islamists with regular ass people at a mosque is already a fucking idiot.

C) Radical islam has no foothold in our political or social culture the west to where people think a fucking ISIS member wearing ISIS regalia doesn't deserve to be punched. If someone were to walk around with a blatant declaration on their sleeve to ISIS or Al-Queda or any islamist terror group, they're going to be shot on the spot. They aren't going to have the president say "Hey there are good people on both sides here."

 

[Autoignition]

So now that we've agreed on that, let's talk about how we do want to treat them. But remember that 99.9% of the racist/nationalist movements in the world have been put down by peaceful means - David Duke holds no power because he lost one election after another. It required no war to stop him - just public mockery and people going to the polls. Virtually no open white supremacists hold office in the USA, even though tens of thousands would like to. They run for city council, mayor, governor, and they lose. Not at the hands of armed mobs, but because they just fail to sway public opinion or to get donors.

lol

 

[Mr. X]

So you'd support armed mobs taking it upon themselves to root out radical Islam? You trust them to do that, to go around to mosques beating the shit out of Muslims they think are promoting jihad?

See, I think that would go wrong real fast; I think violent mobs are shitty at due process.

You need to think longer about what you just did.

 

[David H Wong]

No. One. Is. Talking. About. Radical. Islam.

This. Thread. Is. About. Nazis.

If. You. Say. Only. Violent. Mobs. Can. Stop. Violent. Movements. Then. That. Also. Applies. Here.

 

[Vamphuntr]

When you wear the symbol, you bear the burden of all that it represents. There is no get out of jail free card just because you personally did not engage in the mass murder.

There were plenty of civilians in Germany during the time of the Holocaust who never physically hurt or threatened anyone but agreed wholeheartedly with what was happening. Are they blameless too? Are they innocents? Those who voted these people into power (and yes, Hitler was democratically elected into power), do they share none of the responsibility for what happened?

Your concern trolling is very thinly veiled and very disgusting. You're taking an abhorrent stance under the guise of moral superiority, and it's time that you fucking stopped.

That's actually what I want to know. What should have been their punishment? Germany committed Nazi atrocities for over a decade. If you are guilty for wearing the symbol without taking part in the "violence" what should be your punishment? You said earlier that Nazi should all be wiped from the earth.

I'm not trolling and nor I'm calling you disgusting for not sharing your view about violence so calm down.

Eh, if I ever have someone come to my face yelling for no reason that I am a subhuman or that my identity is inferior because of what I am or whatever, I'd punch that person on the face, men or women, consequences be damned.

You don't get to abuse me in such a hurtful way like that and get away unscathed.

This is kind of how I understood a lot of the posts here.

 

[starchild excalibur]

Do you agree with his point?

I don't think comparisons of Nazis like the one today to Nazis in WWII are ridiculous. I think - if allowed to grow - many of the people like the one today could grow to be part of a group that not only believes evil things, but physically carries out evil acts. I believe the creators of the anti-fascist movement who said that if they could have squashed the Nazi party in its infancy, we may not have had WWII.

However, I don't think I'm at the point where I can wantonly cheer for people going out of their ways to punch other people (although I did cheer at Richard Spencer getting punched, but I think that was because he's such a prominent vocalist of his ideologies). I won't be sad for Nazis like Seattle Guy, but I won't lie and say that if I passed them on the street I would deck them even if I didn't stand to be arrested or ID'd for it.

I get that there's a hypocrisy - wanting to squash evil in its infancy, but not being willing to throw the punch at anyone who isn't outright showing violence because doing so would be unlawful. But hey, my view on this is ever-changing.

 

[Lois_Lane]

Virtually no open white supremacists hold office in the USA, even though tens of thousands would like to. .

Whose President? How long was Sheriff Clarke in power?

 

[Autoignition]

If. You. Say. Only. Violent. Mobs. Can. Stop. Violent. Movements. Then. That. Also. Applies. Here.

I never said "violent movements." I said Nazis.

That's actually what I want to know. What should have been their punishment? Germany committed Nazi atrocities for over a decade. If you are guilty for wearing the symbol without taking part in the "violence" what should be your punishment? You said earlier that Nazi should all be wiped from the earth.

I'm not trolling and nor I'm calling you disgusting for not sharing your view about violence so calm down.

Don't tell me to calm down. It is not your place to do so.

And I stand by what I've said. Scrub them.

 

[Shaanyboi]

If. You. Say. Only. Violent. Mobs. Can. Stop. Violent. Movements. Then. That. Also. Applies. Here.

I'm sorry, wanna point me to the pro-ISIS rallies in the US?

 

[DrSlek]

That was quite the king hit.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

lol

I would argue Charlottesville demonstrated pretty conclusively the US is not remotely at risk of becoming a candidate for ethnic cleansing, even if it is so fucked up that it elected an incompetent, racist buffoon who was indifferent to what happened. Basically the entire country condemned that shit, even if Trump was limp.

 

[Tinfoilhatsron]

So you'd support armed mobs taking it upon themselves to root out radical Islam? You trust them to do that, to go around to mosques beating the shit out of Muslims they think are promoting jihad?

See, I think that would go wrong real fast; I think violent mobs are shitty at due process.

Ha! Try going around with the ISIS flag on your arm talking to random people on the bus about your radical ideology. A punch to the face is the least you're going to get. A fucker like that might get shot down here. That's if the FBI hasn't already tagged you for it.

What's with this ridiculous comparison to a mob going after Musliums in a mosque and a literal Nazi getting socked?

 

[Lois_Lane]

If. You. Say. Only. Violent. Mobs. Can. Stop. Violent. Movements. Then. That. Also. Applies. Here.

You never answered my question. Do you believe regular Muslims are comparable to out and out Nazis. If so, why? What is in the idea of following Muhammad have to do with committing mass genocide as a way of life?

 

[Laughing Banana]

This is kind of how I understood a lot of the posts here.

Do you find it unreasonable?

 

[Shaanyboi]

I would argue Charlottesville demonstrated pretty conclusively the US is not remotely at risk of becoming a candidate for ethnic cleansing, even if it is so fucked up that it elected an incompetent, racist buffoon who was indifferent to what happened. Basically the entire country condemned that shit.

Charlottesville just showed other racists they can't yet out pull out their confederate flags openly. That doesn't stop them from affecting and having power over other peoples' lives every fucking day.

"Nazis are bad" being some solid statement by any politician is like the lowest fucking bar of human decency for one to hurdle. Any Republican trying to distance themselves from Trump only after that statement about Charlottesville is only out to save their own ass. They were plenty fucking fine with everything said before that.

 

[FUME5]

I don't think comparisons of Nazis like the one today to Nazis in WWII are ridiculous. I think - if allowed to grow - many of the people like the one today could grow to be part of a group that not only believes evil things, but physically carries out evil acts. I believe the creators of the anti-fascist movement who said that if they could have squashed the Nazi party in its infancy, we may not have had WWII.

However, I don't think I'm at the point where I can wantonly cheer for people going out of their ways to punch other people (although I did cheer at Richard Spencer getting punched, but I think that was because he's such a prominent vocalist of his ideologies). I won't be sad for Nazis like Seattle Guy, but I won't lie and say that if I passed them on the street I would deck them even if I didn't stand to be arrested or ID'd for it.

I get that there's a hypocrisy - wanting to squash evil in its infancy, but not being willing to throw the punch at anyone who isn't outright showing violence because doing so would be unlawful. But hey, my view on this is ever-changing.

Nah, that's a fair stance to have.

 

[Autoignition]

I would argue Charlottesville demonstrated pretty conclusively the US is not remotely at risk of becoming a candidate for ethnic cleansing, even if it is so fucked up that it elected an incompetent, racist buffoon who was indifferent to what happened. Basically the entire country condemned that shit, even if Trump was limp.

i glances at the white house

surejan.gif

 

[Ponn]

You intentionally dodged the point because you know you're wrong. If you truly see these as the same as the guys we fought in World War II, you wouldn't be talking about punches - you'd be talking about bombs. Do you support that? Do you support killing them on sight, as if we were in a combat zone?

If not, then yeah, there apparently is nuance in how we react, because we're just talking about mild physical violence and not drone strikes. When you say, "We always treat Nazis the same!" you're saying something you know isn't true. No, we have never treated hate mongers or extreme right politicians the same as we treat uniformed soldiers in a combat zone.

So now that we've agreed on that, let's talk about how we do want to treat them. But remember that 99.9% of the racist/nationalist movements in the world have been put down by peaceful means - David Duke holds no power because he lost one election after another. It required no war to stop him - just public mockery and people going to the polls. Virtually no open white supremacists hold office in the USA, even though tens of thousands would like to. They run for city council, mayor, governor, and they lose. Not at the hands of armed mobs, but because they just fail to sway public opinion or to get donors.

Sorry if that doesn't satisfy the easy dopamine rush of violence, but the vast majority of time, that's what victory looks like.

"Some of them were fine people" These are different Nazis guys, gee whiz. Totally comparable to Islam.

JFC, my head hurts so much right now

 

[BreezyLimbo]

If. You. Say. Only. Violent. Mobs. Can. Stop. Violent. Movements. Then. That. Also. Applies. Here.

Yeah World War 2 was stopped by you know

pacifists

Violent movements will never be compromised with, you have to understand that. A movement based on the eradication of the inferior people is to be met with force, not debate.

RE: ISIS-There are no pro ISIS rallies in the US. IF there was, I'm sure there would people ready to punch out those ISIS supporters.

 

[obijkenobi]

I would argue Charlottesville demonstrated pretty conclusively the US is not remotely at risk of becoming a candidate for ethnic cleansing, even if it is so fucked up that it elected an incompetent, racist buffoon who was indifferent to what happened. Basically the entire country condemned that shit.

Not the entire country condemned it. There was plenty of "both sides" after Charlottesvillle I saw it constantly on my Facebook feed from people who feel empowered partially because of the president you mentioned.. And you don't have to literally ethnic cleanse minorities in the country to make life miserable for us.

DACA? Police brutality? Drug laws? Red lining? All designed to terrorize and/or make sure us brown and black folk "know our place".

 

[BlackDoomShadow]

I would argue Charlottesville demonstrated pretty conclusively the US is not remotely at risk of becoming a candidate for ethnic cleansing, even if it is so fucked up that it elected an incompetent, racist buffoon who was indifferent to what happened. Basically the entire country condemned that shit, even if Trump was limp.

The entire country "condemned" it until Trump gave white America an out by talking about antifa and leftist violence. A month later, all major media publications are talking about antifa and not Nazis, and white America is breathing a sigh of relief that they don't have to have a difficult conversation about white supremacy anymore.

Absolutely nothing has changed.

 

[watershed]

these threads always get 2000+ posts, black person gets murdered for no reason? less than 5 pages. amazing

White supremacists stick together and gaf is very white. Even white people who don't consider themselves white supremacists are clearly concerned about losing the privilege to enforce their social dominance over others, as evidenced by soooo many posts in this and other like threads. Nazis getting punched shakes white people like nothing else.