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[The Broken Ska Record]

It does not. Nazis now are aligning themselves with Nazis from the past, but the modern day Nazis do not have as much power - nor did they have a hand in the Holocaust in any shape or form.

Saying you should not punch a Nazi is not tantamount to defending the Holocaust. Because the Nazis involved in the Holocaust should have been (and were) shot, and/or tried for crimes against humanity. Modern day Nazis only get close to deserving the latter.

Punching is something that feels good. If the threat were actually comparable to the Nazis of the past, we'd be having a completely different conversation about what is acceptable.

Your comparison skates past this.

Modern day Nazis didn't have anything to do with the Holocaust. They just want to do it again.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Such as?

Judeophobia..

 

[Mr Git]

Are we sure this guy wasn't suffering from some kind of mental disorder?

Being a prick =/= mental health.

Until some news comes about that says otherwise I'm going to continue the assumption that they're a massive cunt, rather than unnecessarily further stigmatise the already overly stigmatised mental health.

 

[Hindl]

It does not. Nazis now are aligning themselves with Nazis from the past, but the modern day Nazis do not have as much power - nor did they have a hand in the Holocaust in any shape or form.

Saying you should not punch a Nazi is not tantamount to defending the Holocaust. Because the Nazis involved in the Holocaust should have been (and were) shot, and/or tried for crimes against humanity. Modern day Nazis only get close to deserving the latter.

Punching is something that feels good. If the threat were actually comparable to the Nazis of the past, we'd be having a completely different conversation about what is acceptable.

Your comparison skates past this.

The end goal of the Nazis of today is a 4th Reich and ethnic cleansing. They aren't in power yet, but if they are allowed to fester then they could be. That's why you stomp them out now

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

It does not. Nazis now are aligning themselves with Nazis from the past but the modern day Nazis do not have as much power - nor did they have a hand in the Holocaust in any shape or form.

Um, dude? Fuck are you talking about? Nazis are not real Nazis? Whut?

 

[Count Dookkake]

I keep reading the new thread title as "Award-winning Nazi..."

 

[Kebiinu]

Are we sure this guy wasn't suffering from some kind of mental disorder?

Are we sure you aren't suffering from chronic bullshit spewing from mouth? Cause that's what this post is.

 

[freethoughtbubble]

I like his appeal to peaceful resolution once it's clear his instigation would get him hurt.

That's my favorite part. Watch his hand instantly go from, "Bring it, motherfucker!" to, "Now, wait a minute, hold on there, fella, let's think this through..."

 

[Maebe]

Here's an editorial from the New York Times this week shining a light on the genocidal racists some of you are defending.

The Nazis’ First Victims Were the Disabled
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/13/opinion/nazis-holocaust-disabled.html
If your finger is hovering over that Reply button to defend fucking Nazis, first spend at least one hour watching a WW2 documentary or reading a book before replying. When you have absorbed that information and that pesky thing called "perspective" keeps nagging at your specious arguments, listen to it.

.

 

[Haly]

Basically Nazis aren't "real Nazis" until they commit some modicum of genocide. Apparently we should wait for the genocide to happen first before taking any action, extrajudicial or otherwise.

 

[Vermillion]

Modern day Nazis didn't have anything to do with the Holocaust. They just want to do it again.

Agreed, and they're terrible for it. Take away their power - which researchers have stated lives online - instead of saying "punching and violence is the solution." If it gets to the point where it's unavoidable, sure, fight back. But a dude talking shit?

The end goal of the Nazis of today is a 4th Reich and ethnic cleansing. They aren't in power yet, but if they are allowed to fester then they could be. That's why you stomp them out now

Agreed. Again, punching is not the most effective way to do this. Their power & their base exists elsewhere.

Um, dude? Fuck are you talking about? Nazis are not real Nazis? Whut?

Not sure how you got this. Definitely a Nazi, definitely malicious.

 

[Mass Effect]

Also, a bit of info to those crowing on about being so against punching this dude: Washington is a mutual combat state, so if this dude was trying to start a fight and then tried to press charges after he got his ass kicked, he wouldn't have a leg to stand on anyway.

 

[Derwind]

It does not. Nazis now are aligning themselves with Nazis from the past, but the modern day Nazis do not have as much power - nor did they have a hand in the Holocaust in any shape or form.

Saying you should not punch a Nazi is not tantamount to defending the Holocaust. Because the Nazis involved in the Holocaust should have been (and were) shot, and/or tried for crimes against humanity. Modern day Nazis only get close to deserving the latter.

Punching is something that feels good. If the threat were actually comparable to the Nazis of the past, we'd be having a completely different conversation about what is acceptable.

Your comparison skates past this.

Nah, no one needs to wait until they become a global threat before fighting against the ideology.

Nazi's of the past didnt start from a positon of power either.

 

[Nabs]

Caping for Nazis in 2017.

 

[Hindl]

Agreed. Again, punching is not the most effective way to do this. Their power & their base exists elsewhere.

Ok so what do you do? What's the answer?

 

[The Broken Ska Record]

Agreed, and they're terrible for it. Take away their power - which researchers have stated lives online - instead of saying "punching and violence is the solution." If it gets to the point where it's unavoidable, sure, fight back. But a dude talking shit?

And how do you propose taking their power?
Nazis are like roaches in your kitchen. If you tolerate one or two they multiply until your kitchen is overrun. At which point you need to use stronger and stronger methods to get rid of them. All of it could have been avoided had you squashed them as soon as you saw them.

 

[EdibleKnife]

It does not. Nazis now are aligning themselves with Nazis from the past, but the modern day Nazis do not have as much power - nor did they have a hand in the Holocaust in any shape or form.

Saying you should not punch a Nazi is not tantamount to defending the Holocaust. Because the Nazis involved in the Holocaust should have been (and were) shot, and/or tried for crimes against humanity. Modern day Nazis only get close to deserving the latter.

Punching is something that feels good. If the threat were actually comparable to the Nazis of the past, we'd be having a completely different conversation about what is acceptable.

Your comparison skates past this.

The end goal of current Nazis is the same as their predecessors: genocide. The fact that we literally have Nazi celebrities at this point like Richard Spencer when incidents like this let alone Charlottesville and other rallies with these people was unthinkable only a handful of years ago is the definition of increasing in power and presence. Hell, modern Nazis still harras, abuse, and kill. It's not just some costume and it's not harmless.

 

[jiiikoo]

Ok so what do you do? What's the answer?

Cut their access to the internet! Duh!
Thats where the white power lives

 

[Haly]

Ok so what do you do? What's the answer?

We just need to create a world free from discrimination, bigotry, class/racial divides and economic desperation.

I'll get started on that right now.

 

[Doc Holliday]

It does not. Nazis now are aligning themselves with Nazis from the past, but the modern day Nazis do not have as much power - nor did they have a hand in the Holocaust in any shape or form.

Saying you should not punch a Nazi is not tantamount to defending the Holocaust. Because the Nazis involved in the Holocaust should have been (and were) shot, and/or tried for crimes against humanity. Modern day Nazis only get close to deserving the latter.

Punching is something that feels good. If the threat were actually comparable to the Nazis of the past, we'd be having a completely different conversation about what is acceptable.

Your comparison skates past this.



I don't mind one jackass getting hit for being a jackass. But recently, people have been glorifying it as *the* solution to a wide-scale, complex problem. And that just makes it so much easier for them and their alt-right fanboys to be martyrs and recruit - a fact we acknowledge in every thread about some poisonous ideology... except this one.

I get what you're trying to say, but Nazism is an ideology. To me it's no different than say an American aligning himself with Isis or some other death cult.

Just because they have yet to accomplish the goals of their stupid club, it doesn't mean they are less dangerous. You're basically saying we shouldn't these nazis seriously until they have taken power or killed a few more people.

 

[Mr Git]

Ok so what do you do? What's the answer?

Relocate their base to the moon. Send them all there, along with 80% of the world's wasp population. Fill the base with cameras. Enjoy.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Are we sure this guy wasn't suffering from some kind of mental disorder?

Let's honestly explore this.

Dementia? Still chose to wear a Nazi uniform and start fights.
Bipolar? Still chose to wear a Nazi uniform and start fights.
Schizophrenic? Still chose to wear a Nazi uniform and start fights.

Guy made the conscious decision to make a Nazi armband and dress as close to a Nazi officer as he could get. And you're saying that having a mental disorder absolves him of his prejudice?

You have a very, very fucking lacking understanding of how mental disorders work.

 

[Vermillion]

Nah, no one needs to wait until they become a global threat before fighting against the ideology.

Nazi's of the past didnt start from a positon of power either.

Ok so what do you do? What's the answer?

Their power exists on the internet. Continue to take down their forums, shoot down their ideas. Pressure advertisers to take away their revenue. Call them out publicly to their places of employment.

The above factors are the reason these people don't exist in bulk in the real world as is (by which I mean they hide their online personas). You only get the least connected, potentially jobless people doing shit like in the OP.

If there's shit they have to protect, they hide their online personality IRL. That's how you push them back into the shadows.

EDIT: To be clear to everyone - I agree that you need to stomp out the ideology. The above is my opinion on what is most effective for this.

 

[blackflag]

We just need to create a world free from discrimination, bigotry, class/racial divides and economic desperation.

I'll get started on that right now.

Me too, I'll start by punching nazis

 

[Hindl]

Their power exists on the internet. Continue to take down their forums, shoot down their ideas. Pressure advertisers to take away their revenue. Call them out publicly to their places of employment.

The above factors are the reason these people don't exist in bulk in the real world as is (by which I mean they hide their online personas). You only get the least connected, potentially jobless people doing shit like in the OP.

If there's shit they have to protect, they hide their online personality IRL. That's how you push them back into the shadows.

EDIT: To be clear to everyone - I agree that you need to stomp out the ideology. The above is my opinion on what is most effective for this.

But how do you do that when so many techno-libertarians in Silicon Valley value free speech above all else? Sure, we've seen the Daily Stormer get shut down, but that only happened after Charlottesville, where a white woman died. Is a white person going to have to die every time to get these companies to do something? And yes, they have to be white because no one gives a fuck about POC dying. Reddit still hasn't done shit to clean up T_D and other cesspools, and now that we've gotten a month out from Charlottesville people are barely talking about the Nazis anymore. I agree with you that shutting down their forums would be the most effective tool, but people like Zuckerberg, the heads of Twitter and YouTube, have no interest in moderating their content. It's the same issue as the people saying you should just let the police handle it. You're counting on institutions to fix these problems when the institutions themselves have not only failed to address them, but defend them on the basis of freedom of speech laws.

Also they'll still find a way even without the internet, although I agree it'll be much less effective and widespread

 

[Derwind]

Their power exists on the internet. Continue to take down their forums, shoot down their ideas. Pressure advertisers to take away their revenue. Call them out publicly to their places of employment.

The above factors are the reason these people don't exist in bulk in the real world as is (by which I mean they hide their online personas). You only get the least connected, potentially jobless people doing shit like in the OP.

If there's shit they have to protect, they hide their online personality IRL. That's how you push them back into the shadows.

Its not an either/or game.

You can do the above and still engage those Nazi/White Supremacist that try to push their presence in the streets.

If thats not something your behind, thats fine.

 

[The Broken Ska Record]

Their power exists on the internet. Continue to take down their forums, shoot down their ideas. Pressure advertisers to take away their revenue. Call them out publicly to their places of employment.

The above factors are the reason these people don't exist in bulk in the real world as is (by which I mean they hide their online personas). You only get the least connected, potentially jobless people doing shit like in the OP.

If there's shit they have to protect, they hide their online personality IRL. That's how you push them back into the shadows.

EDIT: To be clear to everyone - I agree that you need to stomp out the ideology. The above is my opinion on what is most effective for this.

I'm sorry to say their power does not only exist on the internet. They aren't a product of internet mentality. They existed before the internet and will exist after. And what IF they hide in the shadows? They'll end up finding other who share the same beliefs and will go out and spread their messages and recruit.

 

[Lovely Salsa]

Damn thats alot of pages. Im guessing there were bans?

 

[Nabs]

I need Viceland to upload the clip from last nights Desus and Mero. Spoiler alert: They added Sonic Rings.

 

[zewone]

Are we sure this guy wasn't suffering from some kind of mental disorder?

I'd assume most racist/bigots are.

Or, they're just stupid.

 

[Messofanego]

But how do you do that when so many techno-libertarians in Silicon Valley value free speech above all else? Sure, we've seen the Daily Stormer get shut down, but that only happened after Charlottesville, where a white woman died. Is a white person going to have to die every time to get these companies to do something? And yes, they have to be white because no one gives a fuck about POC dying. Reddit still hasn't done shit to clean up T_D and other cesspools, and now that we've gotten a month out from Charlottesville people are barely talking about the Nazis anymore. I agree with you that shutting down their forums would be the most effective tool, but people like Zuckerberg, the heads of Twitter and YouTube, have no interest in moderating their content. It's the same issue as the people saying you should just let the police handle it. You're counting on institutions to fix these problems when the institutions themselves have not only failed to address them, but defend them on the basis of freedom of speech laws.

Also they'll still find a way even without the internet, although I agree it'll be much less effective and widespread

Exactly. People were fine with Daily Stormer and Stormfront to exist as it was because of America's hard-on for free speech and not being hard on hate speech, but once a white girl died by a Nazi only then those websites got nuked. It took violence for shit to get done. As it always has in history.

 

[afroguy10]

You know what else is funny?.

People get cold cocked for simple shit talking.
People get punched due to miscommunication
People get smacked for being insulting.

No one bats an eye in those situations. At least to get the degree of "the punchee could be seen as more sympathetic."

But punching a person who supports racial genocide IS THE BLOODY LINE WE SHOULDN'T CROSS?

Yes, exactly!!

Thing is for a bit of shit talking or a miscommunication or insulting someone I'd maybe say that getting punched or hit is the line that's been crossed (not in every situation of course).

For some reason though people seem to get all antsy and start defending people being punched for having the balls to put on a Nazi armband and shout at and intimidate people on the street, it's actually insane.

 

[Impeccable]

These Nazis think what they do is cool because of internet safe spaces. Then they try it in real life and get knocked the fuck out.

They learn their lesson.

 

[DJwest]

Can't wait for Wolfenstein 2.

 

[UnemployedVillain]

Are we sure this guy wasn't suffering from some kind of mental disorder?

PLEASE tell me this is sarcasm

 

[Glass Rebel]

If a Nazi is mentally ill it's only right that we respect their political ideology and treat them the way Nazis treated their mentally ill people.

 

[Lovely Salsa]

These Nazis think what they do is cool because of internet safe spaces. Then they try it in real life and get knocked the fuck out.

They learn their lesson.

Literally what happened here:

https://youtu.be/hYQXbmgC7AQ

I think the kid died tho :/

Went too far

 

[flkraven]

Can't wait for Wolfenstein 2.

What if it turns out you are the villain because all the enemies just have mental illness?

 

[Haly]

We wouldn't be here if Reddit, Twitter et al weren't apathetic about the problem of organizing nazis in the first place. Expecting action from them, at this point, under the threat of ad revenue loss is seriously deluded. Silicon Valley has made it absolutely clear where they stand on this: they don't care as long as they get paid.

 

[FStubbs]

I mean, fuck antifa. They're gonna get someone killed one of these days (especially if a situation gets out of hand and they end up targeting someone who's not a Nazi). If they get caught and prosecuted I won't feel sympathy for them.

That said, I don't exactly feel bad for the Nazi prick. At the very least have the damn decency to hide what a peace of shit you are in public.

How about this?

If the Nazis didn't exist and harass people, antifa wouldn't exist.

 

[Trouble]

Damn thats alot of pages. Im guessing there were bans?

Oh my yes, and even a de-modding.

 

[Ponn]

Their power exists on the internet. Continue to take down their forums, shoot down their ideas. Pressure advertisers to take away their revenue. Call them out publicly to their places of employment.

The above factors are the reason these people don't exist in bulk in the real world as is (by which I mean they hide their online personas). You only get the least connected, potentially jobless people doing shit like in the OP.

If there's shit they have to protect, they hide their online personality IRL. That's how you push them back into the shadows.

EDIT: To be clear to everyone - I agree that you need to stomp out the ideology. The above is my opinion on what is most effective for this.

If you haven't been paying attention the last couple years your above suggestions have already been in effect and used. Remember, Nazis never really went away but the current explosion of them can clearly be traced back to things like Gamergate and then evolving into the Alt-Right and Trump. These people were being called out and tried to shut down for awhile now, and it hasn't been working. They moved to crying freedom of speech and making SJW's a dirty word that want to take away everyone's rights. And they gained more supporters. Moderates answers to that was to just ignore them because you are giving them power. You start to see how this becomes a circular, pointless journey for moderates that really only benefits them not having to exert effort and keeping the status quo, with some nasty alt-right provokers in the middle of it promoting that mentality.

Don't provoke the GG's, you're just asking to be harrassed

Ok so now they moved to the Alt-Right, just ignore them to take their power

Ok so they voted in Trump and are actually implementing their policies, just protest peacefully

Ok so protesting is shouting them down and taking their freedom of speech, just leave them alone again because that worked so well last time

Ok minorities, just take them walking around in Nazi garb shouting you down and harrassing you openly, we don't want things to get any worse right? I will be over here on the fence if the nazi needs any further help.

 

[Glass Rebel]

How about this?

If the Nazis didn't exist and harass people, antifa wouldn't exist.

On the other hand, if people of colour, Jewish people, Muslims, gay, lesbian, trans people or handicapped people didn't exist, there would be no Nazis.

Really makes you think.

 

[timmy]

It cannot be overstated how good of a punch that was.

 

[Anung]

What if it turns out you are the villain because all the enemies just have mental illness?

What if turns out that they actually aren't Nazi's even though they dress and hold the same beliefs as Nazi's?

 

[Ushay]

Got his motherfuckin clock cleaned.. God damn.

He had it coming to be honest, plus he didn't even try to react.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

If the threat were actually comparable to the Nazis of the past, we'd be having a completely different conversation about what is acceptable.

We are. Join us instead of defending Nazis.

 

[flkraven]

What if turns out that they actually aren't Nazi's even though they dress and hold the same beliefs as Nazi's?

We have to give them the benefit of the doubt tbh

 

[Lovely Salsa]

On the other hand, if people of colour, Jewish people, Muslims, gay, lesbian, trans people or handicapped people didn't exist, there would be no Nazis.

Really makes you think.

Nazis would still exist. Lots of diversity left there and lots of people to hate. Start with eastern europeans, then go for darker western europeans

 

[Gordon Shumway]

On the other hand, if people of colour, Jewish people, Muslims, gay, lesbian, trans people or handicapped people didn't exist, there would be no Nazis.

Really makes you think.