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Armband-wearing Nazi roams Seattle instigating, gets KOed, removes armband and leaves

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Kebiinu

Banned
It's also not the responsibility of the people to take it up on themselves to start punching people? You just call the police. That's the path of least resistance. Somebody is being a public nuisance, you call the police.

I'm sorry but if I saw somebody with a nazi arm band sitting next to me in a coffee shop I'd back the fuck out, call the police (spice it up a bit, saying he's being confrontational to get the cops out faster) and that'd be it.

If I knock him out then I'd be the one who gets arrested and charged. And I'd probably get a civil suit from the asshole too. And it'd go on my record, and I'd probably lose my job.

While the guy in the grey sweater gave the guy an honest to goodness reality check, what's going to happen to him? His face is out there, other nazi's are going to be looking for him, technically by striking him he can be prosecuted too.

Stopped reading at "just call the police." Lmfao.
 

Anung

Un Rama
Okay. Thanks.

1) I haven't seen the video, the OP last I checked seemed to indicate the video was taken down.

2) I wasn't aware that 'mental illness' is the go-to defense used in off-topic. As I've said, I don't post in off-topic often.

and 3) Having seen the video, the guy was clearly looking for a fight and he got one. He should still be evaluated though. But I'd say that for anyone.

Wow.
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
It's also not the responsibility of the people to take it up on themselves to start punching people? You just call the police. That's the path of least resistance. Somebody is being a public nuisance, you call the police.

It's almost like people have no more faith in the police, I wonder what could've possibly lead them to believe such a thing. Could it be the rampant corruption and white supremacy sympathists endemic to the American police force?

Maybe its the almost monthly reports of a wrongful/unjust shooting...
 
Wait, what?

Edit: Seen the demodding post, what did David Wong go under here?

This seems to be a general flavor of what he was posting.

Though the thing that really seemed to get him underwater was an ill-conceived analogy to radical Islam/ISIS supporters (I think his point was that if we trusted mob justice to stop terrorist attacks obviously a bunch of innocents would get caught in the crossfire, and that would happen with neonazis, too, but you kind of have to read between the lines and with more than a little charity to get there).
 
Poor LHK

He's just wanted everyone to be impressed with what a thoughtful and enlightened ivory tower he is

And if making excuses for Nazis is what that takes then dammit that's what he's gonna do
 

Paganmoon

Member
Hold up

Wong was really a white dude named Jason Parkin?

That adds a whole new layer of fucked-up to his frequent defense of Trump voters, anti-PoC hyperbolic hot takes, and horrible analogies
 
Maybe it's because I'm a very introverted and shy person but how terrible must someone be to actually adorn a symbol in public that represents some of the most terrible atrocities the world has ever seen and which are still affecting many today AND actually further antagonize people with his verbal garbage? I'm not a very violent person at all but what that person (the Nazi not the puncher) did is unacceptable and I don't give a darn about "But... Free Speech!" views like that need to be extinguished from humanity completely.
 
Hold up

Wong was really a white dude named Jason Parkin?

That adds a whole new layer of fucked-up to his frequent defense of Trump voters, anti-PoC hyperbolic hot takes, and horrible analogies

Lol I'm surprised more people didn't realize Wong was white. I used to be a big Cracked fan and found out when he was on one of their podcasts.
 

Hindl

Member
Hold up

Wong was really a white dude named Jason Parkin?

That adds a whole new layer of fucked-up to his frequent defense of Trump voters, anti-PoC hyperbolic hot takes, and horrible analogies
Yup. I remember that big story after the election about his small, middle America home town and how us "coastal elites" really just need to understand these people, not hate them. Fuck that guy so hard
 

kamineko

Does his best thinking in the flying car
It’s worth noting that Nazis killed an unknown number (many thousands) of mentally ill people as part of their eugenics “euthanasia” program.

I think mental illness as a go-to assumption for Nazi sightings in the wild is in poor taste. Sure, they’re out there, but “crazy until proven otherwise” ignores the history of abuse and violence that is there.

They woulda killed my crazy ass for sure. They just would have.
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
Hold up

Wong was really a white dude named Jason Parkin?

That adds a whole new layer of fucked-up to his frequent defense of Trump voters, anti-PoC hyperbolic hot takes, and horrible analogies

Woah woah woah, so David H Wong is a white dude pretending to be an asian dude? That's fucked up.
 

flkraven

Member
Look at this senseless violence against potentially mentally ill bystanders:

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I mean, where do we draw the line?

If we let Cap punch Nazi's, are we saying it's okay for Nazi's to punch Cap if they disagree? Slippery slope people.
 
And what would the police do? Wearing a Nazi armband is not illegal. And besides you'd be charged with filing a false police report if you "spice it up" and he wasn't being confrontational.

So what do you do in that situation. I'm not going to beat the shit out of him because then I'd be arrested and prosecuted, and likely sued. So outside of calling the police, what could you do?

And no, as a clarification, I wouldn't be charged with filing a false police report, that's why you say confrontational, it's ambiguous, people have varied perception of what confrontational is. I could just say to the cop that the guy looked at me and pointed his fingers like a gun with a shooting motion. Then it'd just my word against the neo-nazi. You say confrontational to get the police out there, and 99% of the time a nazi would end up saying or doing something that sets the police off when they get there and he'd get arrested.

Of course, if the cop happens to be a white supremacist as well I guess that plan goes out the window.
 

Eylos

Banned
Description of the video:



holy hell...

Edit: yeah, that channel is very alt-right it seems. Probably thinking the video somehow proves his point about ANTIFA or something?
Didnt noticed the description, LoL, it must be why its up so Far. You guys think its better to remove this link?
 
So then what can be done? Tell me what you think I should do in that situation. If I can't call the police, if I'm averse to violence in this situation because then I'd be criminally prosecuted, what do I do?

And no, as a clarification, I wouldn't be charged with filing a false police report, that's why you say confrontational, it's ambiguous, people have varied definitions of how it works. You say confrontational to get the police out there, and 99% of the time a nazi would end up saying or doing something that sets the police off when they get there and he'd get arrested.

Of course, if the cop happens to be a white supremacist as well I guess that plan goes out the window.
That's your situation. I'm not you and I can't tell you what to do. If that guy was in my face spouting racist shit, I would deck him. Done.
 
Hold up

Wong was really a white dude named Jason Parkin?

That adds a whole new layer of fucked-up to his frequent defense of Trump voters, anti-PoC hyperbolic hot takes, and horrible analogies

Yet another milkshake duck.

If there's one thing that I'm glad for, its that this election finally exposed people for what they really are.
 
I absolutely had to go back and read some of Wong's posts.

Looked like people jumped on the "he's saying muslims are nazis!" and then he got banned (correct me if I'm wrong please). I don't think he was he saying that because I generally don't believe he's that fucking stupid, but he definitely made the mistake of bringing in "radical islam" into a topic about neo-nazism. I believe that was a stupid move. And he sure is wrong about white supremacists not holding government offices. As a huge fan of JDATE and its sequel, that's pretty disappointing, but I guess not exactly surprising with some of the newer columns he wrote on Cracked about Trump supporters.

His point was that hunting for hidden ISIS supporters in Muslim communities would be just as dangerous as punching a man who admitted to being a Nazi, espoused Nazi rhetoric, and wore Nazi memorabilia. You're right, he isn't so dumb as to suggest that Muslims and Nazis are the same, but his point was a blatantly dishonest false equivalence nonetheless. He has seemingly been banned in the past for using those, so that was probably the reason.

In terms of vileness, his posts in this thread are actually pretty tame compared to some of his other garbage.
 
Hold up

Wong was really a white dude named Jason Parkin?

That adds a whole new layer of fucked-up to his frequent defense of Trump voters, anti-PoC hyperbolic hot takes, and horrible analogies
Lol you didn't know? I put that guys ass on ignore last year after he kept pulling his dumb working class shit and did some googling.
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
You can run away and hope the Nazi doesn't chase you.

RIP your self-esteem though. Running from a Nazi in 2017.

I knew something was up with David Wong. It all makes sense now.
 
I have to say, watching that guy get knocked out was incredibly satisfying.

I guess that is the way it should work; if you want to wear a Nazi symbol and spew hatred in public, then go for it, but don't be surprised when somebody punches you in the face...
 

commedieu

Banned
So then what can be done? Tell me what you think I should do in that situation. If I can't call the police, if I'm averse to violence in this situation because then I'd be criminally prosecuted, what do I do?

And no, as a clarification, I wouldn't be charged with filing a false police report, that's why you say confrontational, it's ambiguous, people have varied definitions of how it works. You say confrontational to get the police out there, and 99% of the time a nazi would end up saying or doing something that sets the police off when they get there and he'd get arrested.

Of course, if the cop happens to be a white supremacist as well I guess that plan goes out the window.

You do the same thing others like you have always done.

Sit down. When the time comes, people of action fight and die for your safety and do what needs to be done to confront those who want Jews/POC/LGBTQ/Muslims incinerated to create a whites only nation. It's zero tolerance for nazis. Others will do what needs to be done to ensure that you can enjoy living in your bubble. Just don't be shocked if others actually know what the danger of being passive with nazis results in. It's a slow buildup. These are all the signs.

Nazis are already killing people. And have been. Weve got a thread about two black people just killed in a racially motivated attack. They ran over a crowd of protestors. Some are on the force. You need to think about this.
 

THE GUY

Banned
I think the biggest problems with these conversations are the slippery slope fallacies.

We can't take justice into our own hands! If we let this one guy get punched, whatever happens when it's mob justice? WOULD YOU STILL FEEL THE SAME?!

Except we all recognize that this is an micro incident and enjoy the smaller form of justice for what it is. (And it is indeed justice when it's the oppressed against the oppressor.) There's no need to play mental gymnastics here. No one went hunting for a target to punch. Someone pushed; he got pushed back. Just enjoy it.
 
Yet another milkshake duck.

If there's one thing that I'm glad for, its that this election finally exposed people for what they really are.

Well, definitely not a milkshake duck because I never liked him, this just makes me dislike him that much more

Lol you didn't know? I put that guys ass on ignore last year after he kept pulling his dumb working class shit and did some googling.

Eh, I'm content to clown him on here when he pops up. I just thought he was one of those with Stockholm syndrome.

But with this new info bwoi...
 

Enzom21

Member
Well, definitely not a milkshake duck because I never liked him, this just makes me dislike him that much more



Eh, I'm content to clown him on here when he pops up. I just thought he was one of those with Stockholm syndrome.

But with this new info bwoi...

black guy with dreads here. If my life is in danger last person I'd call is a cop. So make that 99% next time you make made up stats white dude using Wong as a pseudonym.

This is how I found out... it explained a whole lot.
 

platocplx

Member
Hold up

Wong was really a white dude named Jason Parkin?

That adds a whole new layer of fucked-up to his frequent defense of Trump voters, anti-PoC hyperbolic hot takes, and horrible analogies

I really thought it was an Asian man based on his name. The politics didn't match up at all and now it makes sense as someone who has never faced racial adversity ever in his life. That is so gross.
 
Maybe the free speech (or whatever) protects this guy rights to wear a fucking, putrid symbol of hate and represents one of the darker episodes of human behavior (is not political guys, what that symbol stands for is not political at all), so he can't go to prison or be charged for it.

Dosn't mean that society shouldn't take a stand against this shit. That guy not only walked around our society that is fighting so hard to fight against these ideals, but he harassed and molested ppl.

He deserved that punch.
 
My question is if people would also be fine with the violence if he hadn't been wearing visual indicators that he is a Nazi.

Nazism is an ideology and should be identified based on ideological positions someone has, not necessarily based on symbols someone is wearing.

I think its good when a society deems this ideology unworthy and justifies violent pushback, even though that has to be against the law.
But I think its a problem when the society is unable to identify Nazi ideology and rather relies on visual identifiers.

Lets say this guy hadn't been wearing the swastika armband but would have shouted his Nazi talking points of nationalism, USA first, traditional family values, ensuring the racial integrity of society by keeping out foreign elements etc.
...and he gets beaten up for it. Do you think people would applaud that?

I don't. Because we effectively hear Nazi ideology like this from lots of people in the US every day and its treated as just another opinion thats worthy of protection and consideration.
Americans have a very hard time recognizing Nazis when they are not wearing visual indicators, to the point where some Nazis don't even know that they are Nazis.

The thing is, the Nazis wearing swastikas or making Hitler salutes are the harmless ones. They are not a threat.
The ones who are actually a threat are the ones who appear completely normal and friendly and are capable of spreading Nazi ideology without being identified as a Nazi.


I think the US needs to have a discussion about the red line. At what point are opinions so toxic that they require violent opposition?
What makes you a Nazi? What is Nazi ideology? Why is it bad?

And once you've done that you can beat them up.
But up until that I think its hypocritical to beat up a few Nazis but not even call out others.
 
My question is if people would also be fine with the violence if he hadn't been wearing visual indicators that he is a Nazi.

Nazism is an ideology and should be identified based on ideological positions someone has, not necessarily based on symbols someone is wearing.

I think its good when a society deems this ideology unworthy and justifies violent pushback, even though that has to be against the law.
But I think its a problem when the society is unable to identify Nazi ideology and rather relies on visual identifiers.

I think the US needs to have a discussion about the red line. At what point are opinions so toxic that they require violent opposition?
What makes you a Nazi? What is Nazi ideology? Why is it bad?

And once you've done that you can beat them up.
But up until that I think its hypocritical to beat up a few Nazis but not even call out others.

Really?
 

Akronis

Member
My question is if people would also be fine with the violence if he hadn't been wearing visual indicators that he is a Nazi.

Nazism is an ideology and should be identified based on ideological positions someone has, not necessarily based on symbols someone is wearing.

I think its good when a society deems this ideology unworthy and justifies violent pushback, even though that has to be against the law.
But I think its a problem when the society is unable to identify Nazi ideology and rather relies on visual identifiers.

Lets say this guy hadn't been wearing the swastika armband but would have shouted his Nazi talking points of nationalism, USA first, traditional family values, ensuring the racial integrity of society by keeping out foreign elements etc.
...and he gets beaten up for it. Do you think people would applaud that?


I don't. Because we effectively hear Nazi ideology like this from lots of people in the US every day and its treated as just another opinion thats worthy of protection and consideration.
Americans have a very hard time recognizing Nazis when they are not wearing visual indicators, to the point where some Nazis don't even know that they are Nazis.

The thing is, the Nazis wearing swastikas or making Hitler salutes are the harmless ones. They are not a threat.
The ones who are actually a threat are the ones who appear completely normal and friendly and are capable of spreading Nazi ideology without being identified as a Nazi.


I think the US needs to have a discussion about the red line. At what point are opinions so toxic that they require violent opposition?
What makes you a Nazi? What is Nazi ideology? Why is it bad?

And once you've done that you can beat them up.
But up until that I think its hypocritical to beat up a few Nazis but not even call out others.

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They don't need fucking armbands to be identified, people aren't morons. Punching Richard Spencer proved effective in shutting him up for months.

If you seriously think some fuck head deserves to explain himself because he decides to put on a fucking armband with a SWASTIKA ON IT and harass minorities, then you're a god damn idiot. Like straight up a fucking fool.
 
My question is if people would also be fine with the violence if he hadn't been wearing visual indicators that he is a Nazi.

Nazism is an ideology and should be identified based on ideological positions someone has, not necessarily based on symbols someone is wearing.

I think its good when a society deems this ideology unworthy and justifies violent pushback, even though that has to be against the law.
But I think its a problem when the society is unable to identify Nazi ideology and rather relies on visual identifiers.

Lets say this guy hadn't been wearing the swastika armband but would have shouted his Nazi talking points of nationalism, USA first, traditional family values, ensuring the racial integrity of society by keeping out foreign elements etc.
...and he gets beaten up for it. Do you think people would applaud that?

I don't. Because we effectively hear Nazi ideology like this from lots of people in the US every day and its treated as just another opinion thats worthy of protection and consideration.
Americans have a very hard time recognizing Nazis when they are not wearing visual indicators, to the point where some Nazis don't even know that they are Nazis.

The thing is, the Nazis wearing swastikas or making Hitler salutes are the harmless ones. They are not a threat.
The ones who are actually a threat are the ones who appear completely normal and friendly and are capable of spreading Nazi ideology without being identified as a Nazi.


I think the US needs to have a discussion about the red line. At what point are opinions so toxic that they require violent opposition?
What makes you a Nazi? What is Nazi ideology? Why is it bad?

And once you've done that you can beat them up.
But up until that I think its hypocritical to beat up a few Nazis but not even call out others.

Exactly who is this addressed to

You think most of the people cool with this wonderful blow are ignoring the hate coming from people without a convenient target on their arm?

If anything it's the reverse; people content to downplay hatred coming from not so obvious people are more likely to support instances like this where it's egregious, and even then you get things like hoping for mental illness or comparing Nazis to Muslims.
 

Akronis

Member
Exactly who is this addressed to

You think most of the people cool with this wonderful blow are ignoring the hate coming from people without a convenient target on their arm?

If anything it's the reverse; people content to downplay hatred coming from not so obvious people are more likely to support instances like this where it's egregious, and even then you get things like hoping for mental illness or comparing Nazis to Muslims.

Fucking bingo.

It's every post in this thread crying because a Nazi got punched. Those are the people who are the problem. Stop caring about the well being of FUCKING NAZIS.
 
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