But how do you do that when so many techno-libertarians in Silicon Valley value free speech above all else? Sure, we've seen the Daily Stormer get shut down, but that only happened after Charlottesville, where a white woman died. Is a white person going to have to die every time to get these companies to do something? And yes, they have to be white because no one gives a fuck about POC dying. Reddit still hasn't done shit to clean up T_D and other cesspools, and now that we've gotten a month out from Charlottesville people are barely talking about the Nazis anymore. I agree with you that shutting down their forums would be the most effective tool, but people like Zuckerberg, the heads of Twitter and YouTube, have no interest in moderating their content. It's the same issue as the people saying you should just let the police handle it. You're counting on institutions to fix these problems when the institutions themselves have not only failed to address them, but defend them on the basis of freedom of speech laws.
Also they'll still find a way even without the internet, although I agree it'll be much less effective and widespread
Figuring out how to do it without institutions is a challenge, of course. Honestly, people need to point these places out to advertisers en masse.
And yeah, they'll find a way without the internet, but as you said, they'll be WAY less effective. Because again - the people you can confront in the street don't really have power.
Shit, who on the alt-right is even talking about this? Someone who so blatantly identifies as a Nazi like this is almost useless to them. If they want, it shows "violence from the tolerant left," but they seem to have ignored this entirely. They care more about people who identify as "alt-right," because then they can pretend they're interested in "debating ideas" and "free speech."
An actual, honest-to-god Nazi, dressed up as one? Doesn't seem that they care so far. Unless someone can point me to reactions. I've seen more about the "refugee cost."
Its not an either/or game.
You can do the above and still engage those Nazi/White Supremacist that try to push their presence in the streets.
If thats not something your behind, thats fine.
That's fair, and I agree with that. Again, not caping for this jackass - but I think the more damaging methods should be given more attention, vs opening each thread with "well, another guy to punch!"
I'm sorry to say their power does not only exist on the internet. They aren't a product of internet mentality. They existed before the internet and will exist after. And what IF they hide in the shadows? They'll end up finding other who share the same beliefs and will go out and spread their messages and recruit.
Taking from the thread on the South Korean alt-right - they absolutely are. It's a modern brand of bigotry. Unless I'm misunderstanding, and we're separating Nazi (this guy) from alt-right (PewDiePie, Richard Spencer) for some reason.
If you can only hit the people who openly identify as Nazis, you're gonna have a hard time finding people to hit. Or affecting literally anything for that matter.
But since I assume we are talking alt-right/Nazis interchangeably... totally get their power from the internet.
