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[Gingerbread Fetus]

This post should have just been called: Boys will be Boys

Ha! That's really made me pause and laugh. Nicely done.

 

[OCD Guy]

Revenge as in that time Evilore posted revenge porn with name details on an ex-gf?

Someone's past doesn't mean that everything in the future holds true.

We all know there have been some questionable things that have surrounded Evilore. I'm just saying that it doesn't mean what that statement said was true.

Why is it being taken as factual? Simply based on Evilores previous history?

Let's not kid ourselves here, even if Evilore had a squeaky clean background people would still react the same way.

I just find the double standards on this forum to be quite breathtaking, on the one hand people post about equality and being "fair" yet it's all when it suits their agenda....

 

[UnblessedSoul]

Just an fyi for the future unless you are in a relationship with a female or she tells you to come join her, it's best to not jump into the shower with her. you will end up looking creepy regardless of the situation. I enjoy this place and hope it stays around even if it's not perfect.

 

[The Pope]

Intoxication isn't a valid legal or moral defense if becoming stupified is self-induced.

Yes but people make mistakes. They may not be by default a sexual predator.

 

[Subpar Scrub]

Mods, please don't delete this message. It's unfair to those trying to reconnect with friends or groups who have decided to shift their platform of communication over the last few days.

There's a site going up in day or two called ResetEra. Lots of Gaf regulars and top-notch posters will be there running the show. Can't promise this message won't be deleted by mods, but if you want to reconnect with a lot of users there, get ready.

Discord chatrooms with thousands of gaffers are ready, but have been locked due to 4chan trolls.

Spread the word through PM's if you have to or want to.

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You're good people. Hopefully see you there.

 

[Yaari]

Someone's past doesn't mean that everything in the future holds true.

We all know there have been some questionable things that have surrounded Evilore. I'm just saying that it doesn't mean what that statement said was true.

Why is it being taken as factual? Simply based on Evilores previous history?

Let's not kid ourselves here, even if Evilore had a squeaky clean background people would still react the same way.

.

 

[garion333]

As long as Tyler Malka owns this forum, I'm out. His statement here is acceptable, but his comments elsewhere made it clear he's a grade A douche and I'm sorry if I in any way contributed to his financial success.

If he sells the site or turns it over to someone else, cool, but otherwise Gaf needs to go away with Malka at the helm.

 

[levious]

He didn’t assault her. According to her she said back off and he backed off

broadly, assault does not require physical contact.

 

[MangoMoustache]

How do you know she made no indication of interest? Were you there?

I was throwing up and decided to hop in the shower to feel better. I was surprised when he got into the shower, fully naked behind me. I had a boyfriend at the time and didn’t think I had given him any reason to believe I wanted this. I didn’t cheat.

I'm just taking the victim's statement exactly as they made it.

Why is everyone taking her statement as fact? Is it out of the realms of reality that she is a bitter ex girlfriend trying to get "revenge"

Again, this is textbook for why #metoo started trending. Every single time someone speaks out, there are always deniers and people who spread fear, uncertainty, and doubt. It's an uphill battle and it is sadly, easier to remain silent on a painful part of your past.

 

[BocoDragon]

I don't think there are any victors in this situation. Everyone loses. Like I've been saying, there's not going to be an old NeoGAF. And likely there won't be an heir to NeoGAF either. At least in the way that everyone's thinking. At best we'll get a bunch of different communities that have overlapping members but likely nothing as big. And that's really the sad part about all of this. Regardless of what any of us do, we're still all being broken apart in the end.

I imagine that is true. We will have a fragmented community, at best. But maybe there are upsides to a reshuffling of the deck..?

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

You are comparing rape to an alleged case of sexual harrasment by someone who actually had a sexual relationship with her AFTER the incident happened.

For her this was clearly less traumatic than rape.

There is no sliding scale for trauma. We all act differently. Stop trying to act like the situation wasn’t potentially traumatic for her.

 

[oo7]

broadly, assault does not require physical contact.

broadly, you just assaulted me.

Again, this is textbook for why #metoo started trending. Every single time someone speaks out, there are always deniers and people who spread fear, uncertainty, and doubt. It's an uphill battle and it is sadly, easier to remain silent on a painful part of your past.

Again, to act as if people don't make up stories is asinine. Many people get falsely accused, many people get correctly accused. We are not judge, jury, executioner. We are simply participants in a message board. We are not the law.

Thanks.

 

[The Pope]

broadly, assault does not require physical contact.

Yeah but did the accused intend to have unconsentual sex?

 

[ExVicis]

Is there anywhere I can read about this?

You're a regular shark sniffing in the water for blood ain't ya?

 

[DarkestHour]

Personally, I hope you forever keep off topic closed but restore the off topic communities section.

 

[Number_6]

Woah that's really really bad and her response to it was exactly what I thought (which, if anything, shows she's pretty sensible). While he didn't do anything physical this whole situation and his comments stink even worse than just this thread, holy crap. Even if I'm glad the mod culture and people with snarky hot takes are probably gone, I don't think I wanna support this if it's true.

Yeah gonna go take a step back, thanks for the link.

No problem.

I've had my say, and I don't think there's much left to say. This thread, and this forum, is filled with enablers of EL's shit. No way around it.

I'm gonna bow out. It was good times. Bye.

 

[Falcs]

I can't believe all this shit went down right before confessember

 

[Aswell]

The problem with GAF is mainly that as an outsider it's REALLY complex to understand all the baggage of the "meta".

The moderation was/is a problem insofar a user has no idea about what's allowed and what's not.

For example I've observed that verbal abuse is fine... As long it's targeted at people that the moderation doesn't like, but it's then of course not tolerated in all the other cases.

And that's FINE too. I understand this is a community where people can vent off. It has a certain orientation that has a certain deliberate purpose. It wants to protect a certain category of people that are, so to speak, under the weather in real life. And because of what they get in real life, these people have the right to obtain small exceptions to the rules. To have a place where they can vent off and express legitimate frustration.

But again, this can be hardly understood by someone who comes here and suddenly observes that rules aren't applied uniformly.

It takes quite a bit of time to understand what is allowed and what is not, and quite frequently moderators would misunderstand what is being written just because at a superficial glance it looked like coming from a "rival" general opinion that they have a moral right to wall off.

This sort of general behavior, that I just said is legitimate and acceptable (after you understand how it works and can adapt to it) also has consequences that are not good, though.

It favors an extremism of opinions. When there are situations that are complex and nuanced the role of GAF as a community was always about drawing a very distinct line of "us versus them". To rally the troops and "close ranks". If there's some controversy about Boogie or Pwediepie or whoever, the role of GAF was to build distinct categories to frame these personalities. The role of GAF was to remove nuance and ambiguity in order to push away all legitimate doubt. Make clear cut distinctions. Orientate the part of the community that still had doubts. So for GAF Pewdiepie is always disingeuous, 100% nazi, 100% the enemy and the living embodiment of what the community should fight.

That's why you very often read in the comments something evoking "the hill to die on". As if one person cannot have a variety of opinions, but had to always get in some kind of war and defend just one single thing as the ultimate act that is asked of him/her. There's always this rhetoric of "going to war", that is never conductive of a civil and moderate discussion.

I don't want to discuss the specific case again, but just to underline that GAF had the purpose of drawing those sharp distinctions and labeling people so that they would be turned into targets. To remove all traces of doubt. So that the community could reinforce its identity and fight some projected enemy outside. This is never a good thing, it only builds higher walls and creates progressively more intolerance among people.

If in real life a person is a complex entity that comprises a multitude of ideas and behaviors, some good some bad. For GAF you only become a label. It's either enemy or friend. Instead of trying to encourage people to change for the good, GAF liked better to take them to the ground and beat them. To cut ties and carve out pieces of itself.

And the end result is that communities instead of unifying and sharing what they have, increasingly become antagonistic and turn on themselves, and... splinter...

The community turns on itself and breeds misunderstanding and hate.

Whenever a diplomat shows up, you shoot the diplomat in the head. Because you don't want to build bridges, you want to burn them. And yet, this will never lead to a better world. It doesn't work, and it's very sad to see it happening again and again.

When you are at war, complexity, nuance and doubt can only undermine your survival. So I can understand that people right now legitimately *feel* at war in today's world. But the more we plunge into this scenario, the more things are getting worse. (cue Fallout meme)

One of the best posts I have ever read here. And I post this as part of people in minorities that could "vent off" on GAF.
Thank you for posting this.

 

[sephi22]

broadly, assault does not require physical contact.

Ummm...what?
Assault is bodily harm or threat of bodily harm. Sexual assault requires contact.
Sexual harassment doesn't.

Unless you mean the sight of his genitals is visual assault on her eyes or whatever.

 

[crimilde]

Fuck off with this shit, EviLore. Permaban me, I'm out.

 

[mysocksarepink]

Mods, please don't delete this message. It's unfair to those trying to reconnect with friends or groups who have decided to shift their platform of communication over the last few days.

There's a site going up in day or two called ResetEra. Lots of Gaf regulars and top-notch posters will be there running the show. Can't promise this message won't be deleted by mods, but if you want to reconnect with a lot of users there, get ready.

Discord chatrooms with thousands of gaffers are ready, but have been locked due to 4chan trolls.

Spread the word through PM's if you have to or want to.



You're good people. Hopefully see you there.

 

[psychowave]

You're a regular shark sniffing in the water for blood ain't ya?

No, I'm a woman who has been a victim of sexual assault and revenge porn and thus has no patience or tolerance for anyone who commits either of those things. Any more questions?

 

[Subpar Scrub]

You're a regular shark sniffing in the water for blood ain't ya?

God forbid a user wants to know what the leader of their forum does.

You know, the individual whose moral compass dictates the bans and discussions permitted.

 

[Pasedo]

I’m sticking around cos I care about the gaming industry and people’s opinions about it. I just hope there’s enough people left who can collaborate on good gaming discussions. We are strong together and we should not let the actions of individuals destroy this. Without a powerful voice in gaming we will be lesser as an industry for it. Let others have their agendas. I’m setting mine. Btw if I’m staying I’d love for a mod to rid me of my junior status lol

 

[Big Brett]

You are comparing rape to an alleged case of sexual harrasment by someone who actually had a sexual relationship with her AFTER the incident happened.

For her this was clearly less traumatic than rape.

Who the fuck are you to say how traumatic something was for a person?

 

[Hoho for breakfast]

Mods, please don't delete this message. It's unfair to those trying to reconnect with friends or groups who have decided to shift their platform of communication over the last few days.

There's a site going up in day or two called ResetEra. Lots of Gaf regulars and top-notch posters will be there running the show. Can't promise this message won't be deleted by mods, but if you want to reconnect with a lot of users there, get ready.

Discord chatrooms with thousands of gaffers are ready, but have been locked due to 4chan trolls.

Spread the word through PM's if you have to or want to.



You're good people. Hopefully see you there.

Who are the owners? The mods? I'll be checking it out. Good luck with it.

 

[Anarion07]

There is no sliding scale for trauma. We all act differently. Stop trying to act like the situation wasn't potentially traumatic for her.

Where did I ever say that? I said less traumatic than rape. Contrary to what you said.

Who the fuck are you to say how traumatic something was for a person?

I am someone who thinks it's rather unlikely for someone who was traumatized akin to rape to have a sexual relationship with the perpetrator afterwards.

 

[KarneeKarnay]

Yeah but did the accused intend to have unconsentual sex?

How does that matter? If he did it would be rape instead of sexual harassment.

 

[Uiki]

Is it cherry picking threads to prove people don't care about gaming?

No, you can just look where gaf went the past years, no need to cherry pick anything.

 

[Officerrob]

Personally, I hope you forever keep off topic closed but restore the off topic communities section.

OT communities will be a ghost town when they are back

 

[Subpar Scrub]

Who are the owners? The mods? I'll be checking it out. Good luck with it.

Owners and mods seem to be good people, like PattyCakes for example. Check it out when it launches.

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

Where did I ever say that? I said less traumatic than rape. Contrary to what you said.

You are comparing rape to an alleged case of sexual harrasment by someone who actually had a sexual relationship with her AFTER the incident happened.

For her this was clearly less traumatic than rape.

Right there. Your last god damn sentence states this was less traumatic than rape.
Which implies it wasn’t traumatic

 

[Shiera Seastar]

Hey m0dus, perma ban please. Thank you.

 

[sephi22]

Is there anywhere I can read about this?

Read the encyclopaedia dramatica on Evilore

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

I agree with most of the post though I would say that if this place is going to survive there have to be much more proactive words and action from Evilore, not just better/more balanced moderation. There has to be some serious soul-searching.

You can't eliminate political and social discussion now, after the place became so famous/notorious for its political leanings. It just came off as weak and muddy at best. Politics would just spill over to every other topic just in a much more toxic way.

You can't say that moderation became too difficult because Trump. Things started way back and Evilore has direct responsibilities. If he want this place to be something more than a sad remnant he needs to listen carefully to us who have not fled yet (the zealots aren't coming back, the "general public" will stay the hell away from this at least now)

Completely agree.

 

[CaseyTappy]

I no longer want to be part of a community run by a toxic shitbag like you; we should have sided with women back then, we must do it now.

What part ?
You have 15 posts including that one in seven years .
LOL

 

[KarneeKarnay]

Where did I ever say that? I said less traumatic than rape. Contrary to what you said.

Take a step back and look at what you are asking. You are attempting to treat this objectively, but that’s the problem that stops victims from speaking out. If this were your sister would your response be the same?

 

[Anarion07]

Right there. Your last god damn sentence states this was less traumatic than rape.
Which implies it wasn't traumatic

I was responding to your "Stop trying to act like the situation wasn't potentially traumatic for her."
I never said it wasn't traumatic. Is it that hard to grasp?

Take a step back and look at what you are asking. You are attempting to treat this objectively, but that's the problem that stops victims from speaking out. If this were your sister would your response be the same?

I'm probably too objective, owing to my job.
But I'm just sick of people comparing this to actual rape.

 

[The Pope]

How does that matter? If he did it would be rape instead of sexual harassment.

Fair enough.
But it was in response to someone calling it sexual assault.

 

[Nevadatan]

Mods, please don't delete this message. It's unfair to those trying to reconnect with friends or groups who have decided to shift their platform of communication over the last few days.

There's a site going up in day or two called ResetEra. Lots of Gaf regulars and top-notch posters will be there running the show. Can't promise this message won't be deleted by mods, but if you want to reconnect with a lot of users there, get ready.

Discord chatrooms with thousands of gaffers are ready, but have been locked due to 4chan trolls.

Spread the word through PM's if you have to or want to.



You're good people. Hopefully see you there.

Can i be politically incorrec ton Resetera? like mocking clinton followers, the antifa, the sjw and feminists?

if yes, count me in.

 

[mario_O]

Mods, please don't delete this message. It's unfair to those trying to reconnect with friends or groups who have decided to shift their platform of communication over the last few days.

There's a site going up in day or two called ResetEra. Lots of Gaf regulars and top-notch posters will be there running the show. Can't promise this message won't be deleted by mods, but if you want to reconnect with a lot of users there, get ready.

Discord chatrooms with thousands of gaffers are ready, but have been locked due to 4chan trolls.

Spread the word through PM's if you have to or want to.

 

[PBY]

Can i be politically incorrec ton Resetera? like mocking clinton followers, the antifa, the sjw and feminists?

if yes, count me in.

This site is fucked now.

 

[Markoman]

What in the actual hell?

You don’t have to act on your instincts. Keep shit to yourself

Just because the situation didn’t end up in rape doesn’t make it any less traumatic for the person involved.

Ah, didn't take too long. This shit will never stop, right.

99% of this world's population is acting on instincts. You're right, you don't have to do it, but it is what it is.

Have you talked to the lady, do you happen to know her personally? Have you been in the hotel room that night?
Of course Tyler has to be guilty because he grabbed an female ass in Spain once.

I'm not even defending this guy. I'm defending what I think is common sense when it comes to law.

Some of you guys need to learn the difference between acting and talking/typing.
There are people typing the worst sexist comments in the YT comment section and haven't even touched a girl in their life and there are males who always talk like true gentlemen who treat their women like shit. Stop taking everything you read on the internet for granted and judge people by the limited amount of characters they're using on the inet to communicate.

 

[Drackhorn]

Mods, please don't delete this message. It's unfair to those trying to reconnect with friends or groups who have decided to shift their platform of communication over the last few days.

There's a site going up in day or two called ResetEra. Lots of Gaf regulars and top-notch posters will be there running the show. Can't promise this message won't be deleted by mods, but if you want to reconnect with a lot of users there, get ready.

Discord chatrooms with thousands of gaffers are ready, but have been locked due to 4chan trolls.

Spread the word through PM's if you have to or want to.



You're good people. Hopefully see you there.

No thank you.

 

[sephi22]

How does that matter? If he did it would be rape instead of sexual harassment.

It is sexual harassment. We're discussing if it's sexual assault, which I don't think it is since no contact.

 

[ExVicis]

Discord chatrooms with thousands of gaffers are ready, but have been locked due to 4chan trolls.

Get used to it, you're gonna have trolls galore sneaking in from all over. Lot of trolls have axes tor grin not just for Evillore but for the mods and some of the members too.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Can i be politically incorrec ton Resetera? like mocking clinton followers, the antifa, the sjw and feminists?

if yes, count me in.

go to voat, you'll fit right in

 

[The Albatross]

Thanks for +1s from my other post y'all.

Sadly I'm not sure if Evilore is really reading the thread. I honestly think if he did what many of us think he should do then the forum would not have as many of the account suicide and trolling posts that it does. But he's made the wrong decision with this several times already, and it's usually assinine to expect that someone will suddenly come around when they've shown little ability to do that before.

 

[sephi22]

Can i be politically incorrec ton Resetera? like mocking clinton followers, the antifa, the sjw and feminists?

if yes, count me in.

Nope. You can do that here, on new NeoGAF.
ResetEra is for people who liked the NeoGAF that existed last week.

Get used to it, you're gonna have trolls galore sneaking in from all over. Lot of trolls have axes tor grin not just for Evillore but for the mods and some of the members too.

Yeah but with invites/paid-emails for registrations and permabans the problem should sort itself out

 

[Officerrob]

Can i be politically incorrec ton Resetera? like mocking clinton followers, the antifa, the sjw and feminists?

if yes, count me in.

You looking to be the first person banned?