Gingerbread Fetus
Neo Member
This post should have just been called: Boys will be Boys
Ha! That's really made me pause and laugh. Nicely done.
This post should have just been called: Boys will be Boys
Revenge as in that time Evilore posted revenge porn with name details on an ex-gf?
Yes but people make mistakes. They may not be by default a sexual predator.Intoxication isn't a valid legal or moral defense if becoming stupified is self-induced.
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Someone's past doesn't mean that everything in the future holds true.
We all know there have been some questionable things that have surrounded Evilore. I'm just saying that it doesn't mean what that statement said was true.
Why is it being taken as factual? Simply based on Evilores previous history?
Let's not kid ourselves here, even if Evilore had a squeaky clean background people would still react the same way.
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He didnt assault her. According to her she said back off and he backed off
How do you know she made no indication of interest? Were you there?
I'm just taking the victim's statement exactly as they made it.Victim's Statement said:I was throwing up and decided to hop in the shower to feel better. I was surprised when he got into the shower, fully naked behind me. I had a boyfriend at the time and didnt think I had given him any reason to believe I wanted this. I didnt cheat.
Again, this is textbook for why #metoo started trending. Every single time someone speaks out, there are always deniers and people who spread fear, uncertainty, and doubt. It's an uphill battle and it is sadly, easier to remain silent on a painful part of your past.Why is everyone taking her statement as fact? Is it out of the realms of reality that she is a bitter ex girlfriend trying to get "revenge"
I don't think there are any victors in this situation. Everyone loses. Like I've been saying, there's not going to be an old NeoGAF. And likely there won't be an heir to NeoGAF either. At least in the way that everyone's thinking. At best we'll get a bunch of different communities that have overlapping members but likely nothing as big. And that's really the sad part about all of this. Regardless of what any of us do, we're still all being broken apart in the end.
You are comparing rape to an alleged case of sexual harrasment by someone who actually had a sexual relationship with her AFTER the incident happened.
For her this was clearly less traumatic than rape.
broadly, assault does not require physical contact.
Again, this is textbook for why #metoo started trending. Every single time someone speaks out, there are always deniers and people who spread fear, uncertainty, and doubt. It's an uphill battle and it is sadly, easier to remain silent on a painful part of your past.
Yeah but did the accused intend to have unconsentual sex?broadly, assault does not require physical contact.
You're a regular shark sniffing in the water for blood ain't ya?Is there anywhere I can read about this?
Woah that's really really bad and her response to it was exactly what I thought (which, if anything, shows she's pretty sensible). While he didn't do anything physical this whole situation and his comments stink even worse than just this thread, holy crap. Even if I'm glad the mod culture and people with snarky hot takes are probably gone, I don't think I wanna support this if it's true.
Yeah gonna go take a step back, thanks for the link.
One of the best posts I have ever read here. And I post this as part of people in minorities that could "vent off" on GAF.The problem with GAF is mainly that as an outsider it's REALLY complex to understand all the baggage of the "meta".
The moderation was/is a problem insofar a user has no idea about what's allowed and what's not.
For example I've observed that verbal abuse is fine... As long it's targeted at people that the moderation doesn't like, but it's then of course not tolerated in all the other cases.
And that's FINE too. I understand this is a community where people can vent off. It has a certain orientation that has a certain deliberate purpose. It wants to protect a certain category of people that are, so to speak, under the weather in real life. And because of what they get in real life, these people have the right to obtain small exceptions to the rules. To have a place where they can vent off and express legitimate frustration.
But again, this can be hardly understood by someone who comes here and suddenly observes that rules aren't applied uniformly.
It takes quite a bit of time to understand what is allowed and what is not, and quite frequently moderators would misunderstand what is being written just because at a superficial glance it looked like coming from a "rival" general opinion that they have a moral right to wall off.
This sort of general behavior, that I just said is legitimate and acceptable (after you understand how it works and can adapt to it) also has consequences that are not good, though.
It favors an extremism of opinions. When there are situations that are complex and nuanced the role of GAF as a community was always about drawing a very distinct line of "us versus them". To rally the troops and "close ranks". If there's some controversy about Boogie or Pwediepie or whoever, the role of GAF was to build distinct categories to frame these personalities. The role of GAF was to remove nuance and ambiguity in order to push away all legitimate doubt. Make clear cut distinctions. Orientate the part of the community that still had doubts. So for GAF Pewdiepie is always disingeuous, 100% nazi, 100% the enemy and the living embodiment of what the community should fight.
That's why you very often read in the comments something evoking "the hill to die on". As if one person cannot have a variety of opinions, but had to always get in some kind of war and defend just one single thing as the ultimate act that is asked of him/her. There's always this rhetoric of "going to war", that is never conductive of a civil and moderate discussion.
I don't want to discuss the specific case again, but just to underline that GAF had the purpose of drawing those sharp distinctions and labeling people so that they would be turned into targets. To remove all traces of doubt. So that the community could reinforce its identity and fight some projected enemy outside. This is never a good thing, it only builds higher walls and creates progressively more intolerance among people.
If in real life a person is a complex entity that comprises a multitude of ideas and behaviors, some good some bad. For GAF you only become a label. It's either enemy or friend. Instead of trying to encourage people to change for the good, GAF liked better to take them to the ground and beat them. To cut ties and carve out pieces of itself.
And the end result is that communities instead of unifying and sharing what they have, increasingly become antagonistic and turn on themselves, and... splinter...
The community turns on itself and breeds misunderstanding and hate.
Whenever a diplomat shows up, you shoot the diplomat in the head. Because you don't want to build bridges, you want to burn them. And yet, this will never lead to a better world. It doesn't work, and it's very sad to see it happening again and again.
When you are at war, complexity, nuance and doubt can only undermine your survival. So I can understand that people right now legitimately *feel* at war in today's world. But the more we plunge into this scenario, the more things are getting worse. (cue Fallout meme)
Ummm...what?broadly, assault does not require physical contact.
Mods, please don't delete this message. It's unfair to those trying to reconnect with friends or groups who have decided to shift their platform of communication over the last few days.
There's a site going up in day or two called ResetEra. Lots of Gaf regulars and top-notch posters will be there running the show. Can't promise this message won't be deleted by mods, but if you want to reconnect with a lot of users there, get ready.
Discord chatrooms with thousands of gaffers are ready, but have been locked due to 4chan trolls.
Spread the word through PM's if you have to or want to.
You're good people. Hopefully see you there.
You're a regular shark sniffing in the water for blood ain't ya?
You're a regular shark sniffing in the water for blood ain't ya?
You are comparing rape to an alleged case of sexual harrasment by someone who actually had a sexual relationship with her AFTER the incident happened.
For her this was clearly less traumatic than rape.
Mods, please don't delete this message. It's unfair to those trying to reconnect with friends or groups who have decided to shift their platform of communication over the last few days.
There's a site going up in day or two called ResetEra. Lots of Gaf regulars and top-notch posters will be there running the show. Can't promise this message won't be deleted by mods, but if you want to reconnect with a lot of users there, get ready.
Discord chatrooms with thousands of gaffers are ready, but have been locked due to 4chan trolls.
Spread the word through PM's if you have to or want to.
You're good people. Hopefully see you there.
There is no sliding scale for trauma. We all act differently. Stop trying to act like the situation wasn't potentially traumatic for her.
Who the fuck are you to say how traumatic something was for a person?
Yeah but did the accused intend to have unconsentual sex?
Is it cherry picking threads to prove people don't care about gaming?
Personally, I hope you forever keep off topic closed but restore the off topic communities section.
Who are the owners? The mods? I'll be checking it out. Good luck with it.
Where did I ever say that? I said less traumatic than rape. Contrary to what you said.
You are comparing rape to an alleged case of sexual harrasment by someone who actually had a sexual relationship with her AFTER the incident happened.
For her this was clearly less traumatic than rape.
Is there anywhere I can read about this?
I agree with most of the post though I would say that if this place is going to survive there have to be much more proactive words and action from Evilore, not just better/more balanced moderation. There has to be some serious soul-searching.
You can't eliminate political and social discussion now, after the place became so famous/notorious for its political leanings. It just came off as weak and muddy at best. Politics would just spill over to every other topic just in a much more toxic way.
You can't say that moderation became too difficult because Trump. Things started way back and Evilore has direct responsibilities. If he want this place to be something more than a sad remnant he needs to listen carefully to us who have not fled yet (the zealots aren't coming back, the "general public" will stay the hell away from this at least now)
I no longer want to be part of a community run by a toxic shitbag like you; we should have sided with women back then, we must do it now.
Where did I ever say that? I said less traumatic than rape. Contrary to what you said.
Right there. Your last god damn sentence states this was less traumatic than rape.
Which implies it wasn't traumatic
Take a step back and look at what you are asking. You are attempting to treat this objectively, but that's the problem that stops victims from speaking out. If this were your sister would your response be the same?
Fair enough.How does that matter? If he did it would be rape instead of sexual harassment.
Mods, please don't delete this message. It's unfair to those trying to reconnect with friends or groups who have decided to shift their platform of communication over the last few days.
There's a site going up in day or two called ResetEra. Lots of Gaf regulars and top-notch posters will be there running the show. Can't promise this message won't be deleted by mods, but if you want to reconnect with a lot of users there, get ready.
Discord chatrooms with thousands of gaffers are ready, but have been locked due to 4chan trolls.
Spread the word through PM's if you have to or want to.
You're good people. Hopefully see you there.
Mods, please don't delete this message. It's unfair to those trying to reconnect with friends or groups who have decided to shift their platform of communication over the last few days.
There's a site going up in day or two called ResetEra. Lots of Gaf regulars and top-notch posters will be there running the show. Can't promise this message won't be deleted by mods, but if you want to reconnect with a lot of users there, get ready.
Discord chatrooms with thousands of gaffers are ready, but have been locked due to 4chan trolls.
Spread the word through PM's if you have to or want to.
Can i be politically incorrec ton Resetera? like mocking clinton followers, the antifa, the sjw and feminists?
if yes, count me in.
What in the actual hell?
You dont have to act on your instincts. Keep shit to yourself
Just because the situation didnt end up in rape doesnt make it any less traumatic for the person involved.
No thank you.Mods, please don't delete this message. It's unfair to those trying to reconnect with friends or groups who have decided to shift their platform of communication over the last few days.
There's a site going up in day or two called ResetEra. Lots of Gaf regulars and top-notch posters will be there running the show. Can't promise this message won't be deleted by mods, but if you want to reconnect with a lot of users there, get ready.
Discord chatrooms with thousands of gaffers are ready, but have been locked due to 4chan trolls.
Spread the word through PM's if you have to or want to.
You're good people. Hopefully see you there.
It is sexual harassment. We're discussing if it's sexual assault, which I don't think it is since no contact.How does that matter? If he did it would be rape instead of sexual harassment.
Get used to it, you're gonna have trolls galore sneaking in from all over. Lot of trolls have axes tor grin not just for Evillore but for the mods and some of the members too.Discord chatrooms with thousands of gaffers are ready, but have been locked due to 4chan trolls.
Can i be politically incorrec ton Resetera? like mocking clinton followers, the antifa, the sjw and feminists?
if yes, count me in.
Can i be politically incorrec ton Resetera? like mocking clinton followers, the antifa, the sjw and feminists?
if yes, count me in.
Yeah but with invites/paid-emails for registrations and permabans the problem should sort itself outGet used to it, you're gonna have trolls galore sneaking in from all over. Lot of trolls have axes tor grin not just for Evillore but for the mods and some of the members too.
Can i be politically incorrec ton Resetera? like mocking clinton followers, the antifa, the sjw and feminists?
if yes, count me in.