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JordanN

Banned
I honestly feel everything will go back to normal now.

I had pent up emotions but I chose not to lower myself. Why? Because controversy has always existed.

There have been mass cullings before and life goes on. That's basically what every e3 is.

People get over emotional/excited about gaming news in June, they're suspended, and the rest of the discussion moves on.

Why do people have to make a stand now? It just shows this story wasn't a catalyst. They just wanted to hate the site like many outsiders have been doing for some time.

The drama will be over soon. Just like when e3 comes and go. Let's all do better now.
 

eso76

Member
He misread the signals ( NOT HIS WORDS ) why does he say "Shes mentally unstable" ( HIS ACTUAL WORDS )

Poor line of defense, especially coming from the alleged perpetrator, but i mean, the girl accused someone to have assaulted her (later in the same facebook post she says she was harassed no less than 4 times on the street up until that moment that day) and later had a consensual sexual relationship with the assaulter.
Uhm. Well i am at least considering the possibility that what he said isn't far from the truth, although he certianly shouldn't be the one to say that given his position in this

People can go on and believe all women always tell the truth and mean good, i've had my share of false accusations and property damaged in retaliation :D and i personally know a few women who tried very hard to dig up episodes of their lives that can be skewed or altered just enough to allow them to post the hashtag.

People's heads work in weird ways and it's not gender related.
 
Ah, didn't take too long. This shit will never stop, right.

99% of this world's population is acting on instincts. You're right, you don't have to do it, but it is what it is.

Have you talked to the lady, do you happen to know her personally? Have you been in the hotel room that night?
Of course Tyler has to be guilty because he grabbed an female ass in Spain once.

I'm not even defending this guy. I'm defending what I think is common sense when it comes to law.

Some of you guys need to learn the difference between acting and talking/typing.
There are people typing the worst sexist comments in the YT comment section and haven't even touched a girl in their life and there are males who always talk like true gentlemen who treat their women like shit. Stop taking everything you read on the internet for granted and judge people by the limited amount of characters they're using on the inet to communicate.

If you’re willing to put into words how you feel and think the that is representative of you. Just because it’s a computer doesn’t diminish the impact. That’s some fucking tween level bullshit.

And the victim was interviewed which gave more insight.
 

kess

Member
Whether he is right or wrong, Tyler will have a cadre of defenders on this site and his decision to not remove himself from forum moderation means that neutral discussion of this issue is dead.
 

ExVicis

Member
God forbid a user wants to know what the leader of their forum does.

You know, the individual whose moral compass dictates the bans and discussions permitted.

No, I'm a woman who has been a victim of sexual assault and revenge porn and thus has no patience or tolerance for anyone who commits either of those things. Any more questions?

No god forbid someone looks at an accusation and doesn't automatically believe it true about revenge porn by someone not even involved with the incident. I'm sorry you had your experiences but it's clear you've stopped thinking about anything but for more ammo to use against Evillore and for that I can't sympathize with your desire to keep up your crusade against him.


But thank you Psychowave for... attempting to give a clever snarky response. I hope your ResetEra goes well though.
 
I honestly feel everything will go back to normal now.

I had pent up emotions but I chose not to lower myself. Why? Because controversy has always existed.

There have been mass cullings before and life goes on. That's basically what every e3 is.

People get over emotional/excited about gaming news in June, they're suspended, and the rest of discussion.

Why do people have to make a stand now? It just shows this story wasn't a catalyst. They just wanted to hate the site like many outsiders have been doing for some time.

The drama will be over soon. Just like when e3 comes and go. Let's all do better now.

This is extremely naive, there are entire communities leaving in mass
 

sephi22

Member
I honestly feel everything will go back to normal now.

I had pent up emotions but I chose not to lower myself. Why? Because controversy has always existed.

There have been mass cullings before and life goes on. That's basically what every e3 is.

People get over emotional/excited about gaming news in June, they're suspended, and the rest of discussion moves on.

Why do people have to make a stand now? It just shows this story wasn't a catalyst. They just wanted to hate the site like many outsiders have been doing for some time.

The drama will be over soon. Just like when e3 comes and go. Let's all do better now.
It's the straw that broke the camel's back for many.
Also many liked OT, and the political discussions that happened there. OT will be back, but politics won't.

My two favorite communities - Destiny-GAF and Fighting Games-GAF are open to migrating, so I'll be fine.
 
I am pretty disappointed with what happened over the weekend. I hope the forum changes in a way that if one person, even if it is the owner, has allegations made against them that it does not result in the entire site being in meltdown. Something needs to change so that valid discussion is allowed and not shut down because one person does not like it.
 
No god forbid someone looks at an accusation and doesn't automatically believe it true. I'm sorry you had your experiences but it's clear you've stopped thinking about anything but for more ammo to use against Evillore and for that I can't sympathize with your desire to keep up your crusade against him.


But thank you Psychowave for... attempting to give a clever snarky response. I hope your REesetEra goes well though.

you're welcome my dude. I'm glad you think me recounting my traumatic experiences is "clever" or "snarky" lmao

(pst I asked for the info precisely to corroborate whether it was true or not)
 

BBboy20

Member
Ah, didn't take too long. This shit will never stop, right.

99% of this world's population is acting on instincts. You're right, you don't have to do it, but it is what it is.

Have you talked to the lady, do you happen to know her personally? Have you been in the hotel room that night?
Of course Tyler has to be guilty because he grabbed an female ass in Spain once.

I'm not even defending this guy. I'm defending what I think is common sense when it comes to law.

Some of you guys need to learn the difference between acting and talking/typing.
There are people typing the worst sexist comments in the YT comment section and haven't even touched a girl in their life and there are males who always talk like true gentlemen who treat their women like shit. Stop taking everything you read on the internet for granted and judge people by the limited amount of characters they're using on the inet to communicate.
............invading someone's space is bad. How is this a debate?
 
I don’t understand this utter resentment and hatred toward EvilOre and the mods.

There was zero proof of any wrongdoing and this country is all about innocent until proven guilty. The fact that she even later admitted they had relations negates her story of “harassment”.

I’m happy GAF is back, though not fully. All these people committing account suicide and attacking others is just plain dumb.
 
The allegations aren't true? Funny because you yourself have posted revenge porn and openly admitted to sexual assault in the past. That's by your words and your posts. Now you've gutted half your site to silence it. Fuck this site. Bye.
 
Mods, please don't delete this message. It's unfair to those trying to reconnect with friends or groups who have decided to shift their platform of communication over the last few days.

There's a site going up in day or two called ResetEra. Lots of Gaf regulars and top-notch posters will be there running the show. Can't promise this message won't be deleted by mods, but if you want to reconnect with a lot of users there, get ready.

Discord chatrooms with thousands of gaffers are ready, but have been locked due to 4chan trolls.

Spread the word through PM's if you have to or want to.



You're good people. Hopefully see you there.

What's the url?
 
I was responding to your "Stop trying to act like the situation wasn’t potentially traumatic for her."
I never said it wasn't traumatic. Is it that hard to grasp?



I'm probably too objective, owing to my job.
But I'm just sick of people comparing this to actual rape.

No we’re saying that just because no physical contact was reported doesn’t detract from it being a form of sexual assault.
 

sephi22

Member
No god forbid someone looks at an accusation and doesn't automatically believe it true about revenge porn by someone not even involved with the incident. I'm sorry you had your experiences but it's clear you've stopped thinking about anything but for more ammo to use against Evillore and for that I can't sympathize with your desire to keep up your crusade against him.


But thank you Psychowave for... attempting to give a clever snarky response. I hope your ResetEra goes well though.
you're welcome my dude. I'm glad you think me recounting my traumatic experiences is "clever" or "snarky" lmao

(pst I asked for the info precisely to corroborate whether it was true or not)

Judge for yourselves.
https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Tyler_Malka#Tyler_Leaks_Revenge_Porn_and_Facepaints_it
 

Steiner84

All 26 hours. Multiple times.
Exactly. GAF, on gaming side of off topic seems to have a hard time of meeting people in the middle these days. In gaming, all of those Switch threads where if you dare say anything negative in a positive Switch thread you're either salty or a console warrior.

In off topic, all of those threads where if you dare say anything even remotely suggesting a minutr right wing stance, you're a gamer gate sympathiser or a horrible person. It's just silly. Real, balanced discussion hasn't been a thing on GAF for some time now.

im a memeber since 2013 and i havent seen one yet.
Biggest mistake on GAF is to take part in any kind of thread that has the slightest potential for controversy, because GAF '(memebers and mods alike) cant handle the reality and are delusional about how the world is. There is no middle ground on GAF. Things are either black or white and god forbid if your on the wrong side.

gaf has become what it tried to fight for so long. oppresive, intolerant and totalitarian.

and now the kids are eating the revolution becasue, once again, gaf jumps ship early and overexegareted an incident totally out of proportion becasue, once again, armchair moralists dont take human nature into account.

Did he handle the situation poorly? Sure did. Most people would in this emotional state.
 

Kayhan

Member
Can we PLEASE bring back the old posters who helped make GAF a fun, helpful and interesting place?

This list is a good start.

Just want to recognize good folk over the years and say thanks for their posts or friendships. Many times i agreed with or laughed my ass off too.

*Dennis
*Durante
*Wario64
*Shinobi604
*DryvBy
*AlmostHeathen
*EightbitNate
*Mrluchador
*Leaf(from steamgaf)
*Sajajja
*MammaRobotnik
 

John Wick

Member
I can't post here in good conscience if the ownership doesn't change.

Without knowing who the current mods are, I'll just leave my request for a permanent ban here.



Change ownership.

Glad Gaf is back.
Too many keyboard fucking warriors on here.
I see Judge Jury and Executioner have already started.
Some of the overreaction has been pathetic. Why not let the law sort out the truth???
 
I don't understand this utter resentment and hatred toward EvilOre and the mods.

There was zero proof of any wrongdoing and this country is all about innocent until proven guilty. The fact that she even later admitted they had relations negates her story of ”harassment".

I'm happy GAF is back, though not fully. All these people committing account suicide and attacking others is just plain dumb.

I'm not sure you understand, all the mods left

Also, it in no way "negates" anything
 

Vitor711

Member
Yes it is? No others have made such allegations, and this individual has made one at one time. Is it the very definition of a one off accusation lol. It is compounded by Evilores own posts about grabbing someones ass, but we don't need to escalate it with fabrications. That one event is shitty enough.

Sorry, I wasn't clear there - I didn't mean allegations specifically related to assault. I meant the other questionable things he's done (the Spain comments/not dealing with Amir0x's child porn allegations to the Mod's desired quality or speed).

All his responses, whether here or via the Waypoint interview show someone who refuses to take blame at any point, deflects and lacks self awareness of any degree. As such, I don't think he's capable of changing. I've enjoyed Evillore's cocky persona in the past but there comes a time when, even if you're right, you have to understand that optics matter. If he's not going to advocate for change in himself, then I don't feel comfortable being a part of a site he manages.

Blaming off-topic for the meltdown isn't true, lying about moderators' reasons for leaving seems petty. I've seen too many of my favourite posters on GAF leave and the ones wishing them good riddance or wanting to 'only talk about games and leave politics out of it' are presenting the type of naive indifference that I can't be a part of anymore. I love games but I still need them to get better. Politics does help. Everything is political - not taking a stance is in of itself political.

I was honestly looking forward to making it to 3,000 posts and 10 years of membership. A milestone for myself, no-one else. I don't think I'll manage though. I loved GAF but I loved it because of the community it represented and those are the ones I'm seeing leave.
 

ExVicis

Member
you're welcome my dude. I'm glad you think me recounting my traumatic experiences is "clever" or "snarky" lmao

(pst I asked for the info precisely to corroborate whether it was true or not)

That's not how you worded it at all but you're welcome for the remark I guess? Like I said, I guess you're trying to pull some sort of card tactic to win an argument, but I don't get why. What does it matter if you had traumatic experiences in relations to if Evillore had alleged revenge porn but you have no way to tell if it's true? Do you just bring that up for everything alleged that someone told you?
 
So hm, I honestly don't know where I stand right now. Maybe the reactions to my post will answer my questions. If I turn grey, well...bye.

Do I think that grabbing a woman's butt in a club or a failed attempt of "naked man" is a big deal? Not cool, but there are way bigger isues in this world. It just one thing that never should've happened to you, Evilore, for obvious reasons. You can't say "drinking is bad" in front of your kids while sucking on a bottle of gin and that's all there is to say.
(Oh, since no clear evidence this isn't a direct accusation).

Tyler, you have to realize that most of the people jumping on you now are the ones you've tried to protect with the censorship on this site. It's plain and simple: the experiment has failed in some parts- the utopia has turned into some kind of distopia. Not since friday btw. Echochamber is the word I keep hearing when others talk about NeoGaf.

I will use an annecdote -not to defend myself in context to what is happening to you right now- but to adress one of Gaf's biggest problems:
2 years ago at E3 there was a tree-house thread with pretty heavy traffic as usual with these kind of threads.
One of the female Treehouse presenters in the stream had a very big pair of breasts in a very tight shirt. And surprise, surprise what do you guys think happened next? What happens when you wave a steak in front of your doggo? Yeah right, animalistic instincts kick in and some male gaffers couldn't help themselves but comment on what was on display there. I chuckled, left a harmless, stupid comment myself. No harm was done.
Of course, there are parts of Gaf thinking that following your instinct is an act of babarism...no further comment. It is what it is.

A few minutes later a new thread appears "pervs in the treehouse thread". I immediately stepped into this thread to confront the catholic school boys and girls with the fact that whatever happened in the treehouse thread was not an act of perversion. Bottom line: I don't give a fuck about who was wrong or right. I got banned, of course, because I was trying to provoke the users in the reaction thread for the immature way they were dealing with this shit. My choice of words was off for Gaf-readers as the mod decided. I accepted my ban and moved on. BUT In hindsight I think the OT should've been banned, too, for comming up with such a stupid and toxic thread. Not to give justice to me, but to save your own rules from going down the drain.

Why am I writing this now: because the double standards are what hurt this site and all of our modern culture most. You can't come up with a set of rules + values and just hope for the best. History has shown many times how easily "good" values are corrupted in an instant, because no one factors in what it means to be human. Big parts of the community on Gaf have a very exaggerated and distorted ideal of mankind. Yes Tyler, you've been a very bad boy for touching a woman's butt unasked. Instead of attacking people on the inet with our keyboards, maybe we should assemble some sort of Swat-force which pays regular visits to our local clubs, so we can call out all those filthy ass-grabbing pigs directly and bring those innocent girls back to their parents.

Isn't it ironic that only a week ago I would've been banned in 10 sec just for asking "why is a girl who's in a relationship hanging out with another man in a hotel room getting drunk?"

Whatever, life goes on. I enjoyed my time here and I hope you guys can sort this shit out with a fresh start.

I would say this: you can't foster a community of saints if you're a sinner... at least in this age.With hindsight he should have realised this and cashed in when he could.
 

sephi22

Member
Good to know that posting the horribly racist/sexist dramatica is normal now

oh sorry, is that just my SJW side speaking?

Horribly racist/sexist dramatica is the quickest way to find receipts of said revenge porn. I'm not going to go digging for hours to find old posts and deleted threads. Take it or leave it.
 
That's not how you worded it at all but you're welcome for the remark I guess? Like I said, I guess you're trying to pull some sort of card tactic to win an argument, but I don't get why. What does it matter if you had traumatic experiences in relations to if Evillore had alleged revenge porn?

Because I wanna make sure the website I'm posting on is not, in fact, run by someone who posts revenge porn? Why is that so fucking hard to understand? Good for you if your reaction to several people independently accusing a guy of posting revenge porn is "whatever lol". Not all of us can afford to have that kind of reaction.
 

bennibop

Member
Innocent to proven otherwise but tbh I cannot support the site whilst this guy is still involved, his statement is pathetic and is deflecting (what have off-topic threads got to do with anything at this point.)

Thanks to everyone that have I have debated and discussed my hobby with over the years, I am sure we will talk again soon.

please perma-ban me.
 

Sordid

Member
In my opinion (which I'm entitled too) the fact she omitted that from her facebook statement makes her lose all credibility.

This girl omitted one thing from her initial Facebook post so she has no credibility but Evilore, with his revenge porn, arse grabbing, ban anyone who disagrees with him past still has credibility? I don't quite get your mathematics, my dude.
 

LiquidMetal14

hide your water-based mammals
Best of luck to you. I like the community and appreciate the mods. I have my own life to consider but I hope this place can regain integrity with time.
 
Don't call yourself a leftist if economic policies are the only thing you care about. Minorities and social justice are as much a part of leftism as economic policies are.

Don't call yourself a leftist if you don't understand that the class system determines all social justice including gender discrimination.

If you don't understand that then you are not a leftist, simple as that. It is the most basic tenet there is in left wing ideology and very few people on GAF seem to even be aware of that let alone understand it.

If you consider yourself a liberal because you believe that it's more important to berate the working poor for voting Trump than understand how society has come to the point where that happened and how then to address it, then not only are you not a leftist but also an arrogant and ignorant tribalist and part of the problem - and that is very much the prevailing wind on GAF.
 
The shills need to go otherwise nothing has changed. I'm also getting tired of the PlayStation hive mind around here, hey I'm even a fan and it's embarrassing some of the shit that is given a free pass on here compared to fans who play on other platforms. It's not right and it's disingenuous. The dog piling is embarrassing too, to anyone who speaks out on this shit. It's there for all to see. Sort it out otherwise it's just business as usual.

That's the sites second biggest problem behind all the radical leftist echo chamber crap. Sony fanboys shitting up gaming side with the mods obviously in on the act. The Xbox threads take the brunt of it and most aren't worth reading because of it. Not a ban in sight for the daily repeat offenders, yet start posting junk in a Sony thread and watch how quick the red and grey names appear. Pathetic.

NeoGAF should take a long hard look at it's mission statement on the front page because the actual running and discourse of the forum is the polar opposite.
 

Randam

Member
I am someone who thinks it's rather unlikely for someone who was traumatized akin to rape to have a sexual relationship with the perpetrator afterwards.
Did she say she was?

She never used rape AFAIK and didn't accuse Evilore.

She just made a #metoo post about a situation that at the time made her uncomfortable.
That they kept having contact, doesn't change that.

She shouldn't have named evilore, but after she did he reacted really bad.
Could have said, yeah I was drunk, read some signs wrong, made her uncomfortable, but nothing else happened. She never stayed more happened either.
Instead no statement at all for several days and he tried to sweep it under the rug, with deleting of posts and banning of people.

That pissed of the rest of the team and leat to all this.
 

Domaje

Member
A guy grabbing an ass in Europe can harm the existence of one of the biggest forum on Earth.

The butt
erfly
effect.
 

Markoman

Member
If you’re willing to put into words how you feel and think the that is representative of you. Just because it’s a computer doesn’t diminish the impact. That’s some fucking tween level bullshit.

And the victim was interviewed which gave more insight.

I think we're having different oppinions on language then - especially the part about language as a reliable display of human personality. Whatever.

Has the"offender" been interviewed to the same degree?

I mean, what are you still doing here, if you're leaning more towards Evilore's guilt?
As I've written in my lengthy post: if he's guilty, how can you still live with this forum's rules?
 
Don't call yourself a leftist if you don't understand that the class system determines all social justice including gender discrimination.

If you don't understand that then you are not a leftist, simple as that. it is the most basic tenet there is and very few people on GAF seem to even be aware of that let alone understand it.

you sound like a white straight male leftist lol
 
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