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TheJollyCorner

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Eveyone who has been here for a while and wasn't a complete idiot knew the shit about Evilore. It was literally a Google search away. They did do a good job of deleting and banning every mention of it here on GAF though. Good job mods for enabling him.

No one liked or respected him but the mods put up with him because ?????? Even after the despicable way the amir0x situation was handled.

Did you ever read anything he wrote here? He's weird as hell

This site was held together by nothing, as you can clearly see.
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I honestly didn't know... so put me in the 'idiot' category.
I was never part of the 'cool clique' and spent most of my time in Gaming. The Spain ass-grabbing incident and Tyler posting nudes of an ex happened 5 years ago and yeah... never came across any discussion on it. Hell, I didn't even know Amir0x was arrested for child porn until reading about it on other sites this past weekend. That was a mind-blowing revelation for me.

Not everyone here - even those of us with years of mileage and over 20k posts- keep up with the personal life drama of people here. Recent events have obviously pushed those stories to the forefront.
 
Shifty

Shifty

Member
Alright, I guess I'll lay this out.

GAF is something of a cornerstone of my daily routine, it's my go-to whenever I have a free moment to check my phone or glance at my other monitor. I've been posting here for about a year, and lurking for about two.
I came here for the community and personalities- the Jawmunchers, Piston Hyundais and BY2Ks, the tags with funny (and sometimes tragic) stories behind them, the legitimately witty banter and goldmine of reaction gifs.

Now, this was after becoming disenfranchised with the internet's other major forms of gaming discussion. *chan is a warzone. Reddit is bad word salad jokes, karma pandering and fanboy fiefdoms framed in a faux democratic system that doesn't work. Twitter is an environment that encourages hot takes and empty snark.
GAF on the other hand, has personality. It has room for discussion, and isn't pervaded with infinite shitposters (shit shitposters, not quality shitposters). Or at least, it wasn't when I hopped on.

It feels like everything's been gradually going downhill, in particular since the last US election. People's stances have been getting more extreme, respect for the views of others has been on the decline, and the chances of a given thread running its course without someone getting screamed at have nosedived.
And that's just gaming side, I don't go to off-topic. It sucks that the community threads in there have been temporarily shuttered for the sake of stemming the flow of political outrage, but given the state the forum is in right now it seems like a necessary evil while things shake out.

I completely agree with the 'no politics' stance GAF is taking, and hope it applies just as much to gaming side as it does off-topic. I'm here to have a fun discussion about the hobby I love with like-minded people, not butt heads in heated debate with political extremists.
'Gamergate pandering' is a lazy box to put this in given the implications the term has taken on since its inception. I'm not bigoted, racist, sexist, or any of that shit, and I find it offensive that there are people who would make the necessary logical backflips to brand others with those terms for wanting a proper signal-to-noise ratio in their discussion forum of choice.

It seems like some posters would rather sit in a safe place and vilify people with parroted labels rather than have an actual discussion. I'll die a happy man if I never see the term 'alt-right' ever again.
All it takes is one person dropping a "isn't this the guy that did xyz thing ages ago" post for a thread to fatally derail away from the actual topic at hand and into a pile-on witch hunt. This mostly happens around whichever internet personality is the hot topic of the moment, but I've seen it done to fellow posters in an attempt to undermine their argument and make an example of them.
That kind of behavior is thoroughly poisonous and should not be tolerated. I've only ever seen a mod step in to keep things on track once (in the A Hat in Time review thread), but I'm hoping that we'll be seeing more of it with the forum's new direction.

On the subject, the new mod setup sounds like it could be a double-edged sword.
No red text means that mods will be treated like any other user, which is good- I've held back from posting multiple times before now due to the presence of a firecracker with mod powers in a thread, which isn't healthy for discussion.
However, moderation is ultimately still arbitrary. The new system could be great, providing we don't see people getting banned because a mod is having a bad day and disagrees with them. In the cases where bans do happen, it's important that people know the reasoning in order to keep the rules clear, even if it means finding out through ModBot.

As for the accusations against Evilore, they're exactly that. Accusations. No proof, no investigation, yet people are jumping straight to condemnation and suicide posts.
Suicide posts that amount to little more than a 'fuck you' in most cases, which is pretty telling as to the caliber of poster making them. To the few actual reasoned "I'm leaving please ban me" posts: Fair enough. I respect your stance, and appreciate that you communicated it without resorting to petty insults.
Myself, I'm not taking a stance. Evilore's personal life is not my business, and Innocent Until Proven Guilty is an important principle to uphold.

And where the ResetAge ship-jumping is concerned, you all do you. If it gives you a space to have the discussions you want to have with others of a like mind, more power to you. Just don't come back.

Right, I'm done. Time to go and unplug for about a week.
 
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Wolfgunblood Garopa

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Nepenthe said:
I boycott things with which I have a reasonable knowledge of wrong-doing, a personal context towards that wrong-doing, and a reasonable avenue with which to protest. Me shitting on Evilore and his defense force doesn't have fuck all to do with every single shitlord in the world.
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One person at the top shouldn't bring everyone else down. I don't really see a lot of merit to assigning such significance to the owner of a site. It's the members of a forum that make it what it is.

I personally value this site more than I know or care about the owner. I don't really like the idea of someone else's misbehavior pushing me around, as if I should no longer benefit from being a part of the group here because of his misbehavior or whatever his deal is. I just don't see that as a productive or fair way to respond to things. We didn't do anything wrong.
 
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17 Seconds

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Shifty. said:
As for the accusations against Evilore, they're exactly that. Accusations. No proof, no investigation, yet people are jumping straight to condemnation and suicide posts.
Suicide posts that amount to little more than a 'fuck you' in most cases, which is pretty telling as to the caliber of poster making them. To the few actual reasoned "I'm leaving please ban me" posts: Fair enough. I respect your stance, and appreciate that you communicated it without resorting to petty insults.
Myself, I'm not taking a stance. Evilore's personal life is not my business, and Innocent Until Proven Guilty is an important principle to uphold.
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umm, there is much more than just accusations. maybe do 5 minutes of research?
 
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SuperBanana

Banned
Nepenthe said:
Women have... bodily autonomy?

The fuck is this?
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Nah. They're just sex objects.

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Anime Avatar

Neo Member
TheJollyCorner said:
I honestly didn't know... so put me in the 'idiot' category.
I was never part of the 'cool clique' and spent most of my time in Gaming. The Spain ass-grabbing incident and Tyler posting nudes of an ex happened 5 years ago and yeah... never came across any discussion on it. Hell, I didn't even know Amir0x was arrested for child porn until reading about it on other sites this past weekend. That was a mind-blowing revelation for me.

Not everyone here - even those of us with years of mileage and over 20k posts- keep up with the personal life drama of people here. Recent events have obviously pushed those stories to the forefront.
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I can't blame users for not knowing.

The mods though? Worked for him for free and helped to cover everything up.

Wonderful people. Everyone go join them at ResetEra.
 
Raptomex

Raptomex

Member
PhantomThief said:
Thats not what its about. There was no discussion about a prominent mod. And Malka lied about knowing his name.
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But, ultimately, what does that have to do with discussing video games on a message board? Shady, for sure but nothing to do with posting about video games.
 
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PBY

Banned
Shifty. said:
Alright, I guess I'll lay this out.

GAF is something of a cornerstone of my daily routine, it's my go-to whenever I have a free moment to check my phone or glance at my other monitor. I've been posting here for about a year, and lurking for about two.
I came here for the community and personalities- the Jawmunchers, Piston Hyundais and BY2Ks, the tags with funny (and sometimes tragic) stories behind them, the legitimately witty banter and goldmine of reaction gifs.

Now, this was after becoming disenfranchised with the internet's other major forms of gaming discussion. *chan is a warzone. Reddit is bad word salad jokes, karma pandering and fanboy fiefdoms framed in a faux democratic system that doesn't work. Twitter is an environment that encourages hot takes and empty snark.
GAF on the other hand, has personality. It has room for discussion, and isn't pervaded with infinite shitposters (shit shitposters, not quality shitposters). Or at least, it wasn't when I hopped on.

It feels like everything's been gradually going downhill, in particular since the last US election. People's stances have been getting more extreme, respect for the views of others has been on the decline, and the chances of a given thread running its course without someone getting screamed at have nosedived.
And that's just gaming side, I don't go to off-topic. It sucks that the community threads in there have been temporarily shuttered for the sake of stemming the flow of political outrage, but given the state the forum is in right now it seems like a necessary evil while things shake out.

I completely agree with the 'no politics' stance GAF is taking, and hope it applies just as much to gaming side as it does off-topic. I'm here to have a fun discussion about the hobby I love with like-minded people, not butt heads in heated debate with political extremists.
'Gamergate pandering' is a lazy box to put this in given the implications the term has taken on since its inception. I'm not bigoted, racist, sexist, or any of that shit, and I find it offensive that there are people who would make the necessary logical backflips to brand others with those terms for wanting a proper signal-to-noise ratio in their discussion forum of choice.

It seems like some posters would rather sit in a safe place and vilify people with parroted labels rather than have an actual discussion. I'll die a happy man if I never see the term 'alt-right' ever again.
All it takes is one person dropping a "isn't this the guy that did xyz thing ages ago" post for a thread to fatally derail away from the actual topic at hand and into a pile-on witch hunt. This mostly happens around whichever internet personality is the hot topic of the moment, but I've seen it done to fellow posters in an attempt to undermine their argument and make an example of them.
That kind of behavior is thoroughly poisonous and should not be tolerated. I've only ever seen a mod step in to keep things on track once (in the A Hat in Time review thread), but I'm hoping that we'll be seeing more of it with the forum's new direction.

On the subject, the new mod setup sounds like it could be a double-edged sword.
No red text means that mods will be treated like any other user, which is good- I've held back from posting multiple times before now due to the presence of a firecracker with mod powers in a thread, which isn't healthy for discussion.
However, moderation is ultimately still arbitrary. The new system could be great, providing we don't see people getting banned because a mod is having a bad day and disagrees with them. In the cases where bans do happen, it's important that people know the reasoning in order to keep the rules clear, even if it means finding out through ModBot.

As for the accusations against Evilore, they're exactly that. Accusations. No proof, no investigation, yet people are jumping straight to condemnation and suicide posts.
Suicide posts that amount to little more than a 'fuck you' in most cases, which is pretty telling as to the caliber of poster making them. To the few actual reasoned "I'm leaving please ban me" posts: Fair enough. I respect your stance, and appreciate that you communicated it without resorting to petty insults.
Myself, I'm not taking a stance. Evilore's personal life is not my business, and Innocent Until Proven Guilty is an important principle to uphold.

And where the ResetAge ship-jumping is concerned, you all do you. If it gives you a space to have the discussions you want to have with others of a like mind, more power to you. Just don't come back.

Right, I'm done. Time to go and unplug for about a week.
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Fuck this.

So. Much. Unironic "snowflake" "safe space" "echo chamber" "SJW" bullshit.

This place is fucked.
 
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FunkyMonk

Member
nikos said:
I have not weighed in on the situation, because I’m here for gaming discussion, but I’ll address it with one post.

Those who have never been in a relationship don’t know better than to believe the first person claiming to be a victim. Those who are jumping to conclusions aren’t old, wise, or experienced enough to know the way the world works. Some people are crazy and will stop at nothing to ruin you. Especially those who have developed feelings for you that weren’t reciprocated. Especially when you have more to lose than they do.

People are immediately believing everything they read, jumping to conclusions, and making accusations. I’ve been reading the GAF hashtag on twitter, and it’s apparent that most of these kids are in their teens/early 20s and live a sheltered life. They haven’t experienced relationships, and the madness that could surround them.

All of these people who are leaving a wonderful community based on a Facebook post are going to feel really stupid about it soon. The rest of us who have experienced the world and know better will still be here discussing gaming. I really can’t wait until this blows off.
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This'd be more credible if EL had denied what happened, instead he went straight for the 'bitches be crazy' defense, called her mentally unstable but at no point denying that he followed an intoxicated vomiting woman into the bathroom and, without being asked or invited, joined her naked in the shower.

C'mon dude don't just try and dismiss that as a bitter ex sticking the knife in.
 
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Micael

Member
Saganator said:
This is what EL said to the mods on Saturday night. This is why the fallout has been so big. If EL just came out and said, "I'm a fucking moron" many posters probably would've come back. Instead EL took the GG approach and fucked it all up. The "wait for the facts" people need to shut the hell up because it's too late for that and doesn't even matter now because of his response. If you're cool with victim blaming, then cool, you'll be in good company on NeoGAF. The rest of us don't want to be associated with that shit.
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Thanks for posting that, that is some seriously unbelievably terrible excuse, it basically boils down to "Oh this is all lies she is just a jealous psychotic woman who was so hot for my new girlfriend she roofied us to have cult sex with her/us", I'm assuming the idea of that excuse was for it to be so crazy that people just assumed it could only be true, but lol good luck with anyone believing that.
 
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Nepenthe

Member
Axial said:
These may be facts, I'd argue though they're of no importance to what Cake Boss wrote. I mean sure there's the possibility it's a throwaway account by one of the usual suspects - he still made a valid argument that people who feel morally obliged to leave should do so without being assholes about it. You wanna make a point that you're somehow a better human being? Fine, do it, quit, don't post, but don't assume everyone is going to give you a pat on the back while you're feigning ignorance on the way out(just like all the shmucks in Hollywood did with the Weinstein scandal).
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People don't owe this forum- nor you- the respect of a graceful exit.

Axial said:
GAF is gonna be fine, as inclusive as ever, there's proof of it right here in this thread with some dubious users getting banned, so there's no need to dramatize. Contrary to popular believe OT wasn't the be-all end-all to GAF. I always enjoyed the discussions people had on the gaming side more than OT and that's why I'm going to stay.
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As a black woman, GAF ain't all that inclusive and welcoming and huggy and all that bullshit, especially on gaming side, which coincidentally is the only side that will continue existing largely untouched. Now the only refuge I have from people mentioning Donkey Kong in black threads or, right here now, asking why a vomiting woman didn't close the bathroom door if she didn't want Evilore's cock in her face, is the fucking BCT Discord.

But yeah, sure, have fun talking about games. Glad you have your safe space.
 
KarneeKarnay

KarneeKarnay

Member
Saganator said:
This is what EL said to the mods on Saturday night. This is why the fallout has been so big. If EL just came out and said, "I'm a fucking moron" many posters probably would've come back. Instead EL took the GG approach and fucked it all up. The "wait for the facts" people need to shut the hell up because it's too late for that and doesn't even matter now because of his response. If you're cool with victim blaming, then cool, you'll be in good company on NeoGAF. The rest of us don't want to be associated with that shit.
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Wow EL is a piece of shit.
 
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Widdle Puppy

Banned
Saganator said:
This is what EL said to the mods on Saturday night. This is why the fallout has been so big. If EL just came out and said, "I'm a fucking moron" many posters probably would've come back. Instead EL took the GG approach and fucked it all up. The "wait for the facts" people need to shut the hell up because it's too late for that and doesn't even matter now because of his response. If you're cool with victim blaming, then cool, you'll be in good company on NeoGAF. The rest of us don't want to be associated with that shit.
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this reads like something that would get a 10 page dog pile in OT
 
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Jeff-DSA

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Tyler, that response couldn't reek more of narcissism. The whole statement is somehow about you. It's all about you. You're lucky that you're not in prison or on a sex offender registry. What's crazy in all this is that the women you've railroaded in your life have been less vindictive than you have been...AND YOU ARE THE OFFENDER. Step away, Tyler. Find a way to pass NeoGAF to new ownership. Get out of all this. We've had enough of EviLore for a lifetime.
 
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trixx

Member
Wow not even taking into account this scenario some of the posts you've made are quite problematic. The ironic thing is that I've seen people banned for much less. Personally I'm not a saint myself, I have my own demons but I realize that I am not, and willing to change. Hopefully you will accept your wrongs

My intent isn't to dogpile, but this shit is ridiculous man. There's too much going on.

Good luck to everyone, and I wish you guys the best; I feel it would be best for me to move on from here.
Perm/account delete please
 
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Jacce

Banned
Shifty. said:
As for the accusations against Evilore, they're exactly that. Accusations. No proof, no investigation, yet people are jumping straight to condemnation and suicide posts.
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Read man. Read. We have screenshots of when he posted revenge porn and sexually assaulted a woman.

SuperBanana said:
Opening admitting to sexually assaulting someone(then banning anyone who called him out for it)
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Posting revenge porn with their real full names then another admin(a now jailed pedophile) printed the photos and jacked off over them and send it to the boyfriend.
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You don't need to believe the girl. He's a sexual predator already.
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17 Seconds

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Green Yoshi said:
I don't think so. People on Reddit who celebrated this story were pretty straightforward with their political views. Or is "hypocritical SJW" a common term?
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alt-right fucks don't care about evilore being a predator. they are rejoicing because gaf was an extremely liberal site that shunned their hatred.
 
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joms5

Member
Markoman said:
You know what? You're right! And I enjoy being an asshole much more than entering discussions with some of the drama queens on here. That was a part of my life - it's over now. I will visit this site only for the gaming and the lighthearted funny stuff.

Me not participating in this site's philosophic/political circle is a drop in an ocean. Be tolerant and let me live my life as a happy asshole. I don't see how joining any movement on here will make this world a place free of sexual misbehaviour. I contribute to this by treating women good in real life. I don't have to write about it in addition.
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Fucking well said.

You don't need to stand on a soap box online and proclaim yourself the most progressive tolerant person to actually be one. Some of us know we're good people and leave it at that. I don't need people to tell me how to act and what to fight back on.

If you want to do that, do it somewhere else. It's about time this shit ended and we could all just get back to talking about video games. You know, that thing we all do that we love.
 
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Tahnit

Banned
After listening to waypoint radio in which Patrick interviewed Tyler he sounds like he’s being disengenious. He isn’t taking it seriously and doesn’t seem to have learned anything. Attacking the victim and bringing mental health into the mix is fucked up.

Man I just don’t know anymore.
 
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MLCodest

Member
Shifty. said:
As for the accusations against Evilore, they're exactly that. Accusations. No proof, no investigation, yet people are jumping straight to condemnation and suicide posts.
Suicide posts that amount to little more than a 'fuck you' in most cases, which is pretty telling as to the caliber of poster making them. To the few actual reasoned "I'm leaving please ban me" posts: Fair enough. I respect your stance, and appreciate that you communicated it without resorting to petty insults.
Myself, I'm not taking a stance. Evilore's personal life is not my business, and Innocent Until Proven Guilty is an important principle to uphold.
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Or you know just read about the shitty stuff he's done and bragged about in the past?
 
PSlayer

PSlayer

Member
Question: now that political discussion is out of topic and the celebritiy mods are gone, will derailing threads for political reasons still be accepted as "just expressing my opinion"? I ask this because some threads with themes like hat in time,crowbcat and red letter media are constantly flooded by people who want to talk about someone's political background.
 
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Tahnit said:
After listening to waypoint radio in which Patrick interviewed Tyler he sounds like he’s being disengenious. He isn’t taking it seriously and doesn’t seem to have learned anything. Attacking the victim and bringing mental health into the mix is fucked up.

Man I just don’t know anymore.
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bad people generally don't feel remorse for doing bad things
 
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AALLx

Member
GAF is headed to a better place. For one, we can probably talk about Summer Lesson without having CrossingEden breathing on your neck and having his attack dog besada sic-ing on you.
 
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Gilgamesh

Member
I can't believe that GAF had a significant alt-right sleeper cell just waiting to be activated.

I also can't believe that Evilore just ripped pages straight from the MRA red-pill playbook for his response.

No one of value will stay here. It's already becoming a cesspit. My advice: get out as fast as you can.
 
AK-Mac

AK-Mac

Neo Member
Pai Pai Master said:
It didn't, those people have always been here they're just able to come out and be openly hateful or dismissive of social issues now. Because GAF is now a forum that is dismissive of the current political climate of our entire world.
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Yes, the world can be a depressing place, especially in the personal / social / political realm.

Current drama aside, why is it such a bad thing to let GAF be the one thing it was meant to be; a retreat from all the chaos and anger, a place to just talking about gaming? We don't need yet another place to rage about "the current political climate of our entire world".

I welcome the idea of moving beyond this and getting back to the original intent of this site - talking about gaming.
 
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Jacce

Banned
AALLx said:
GAF is headed to a better place. For one, we can probably talk about Summer Lesson without having CrossingEden breathing on your neck and having his attack dog besada sic-ing on you.
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Oh and be acceptable of posting revenge porn now, thats a nice change.
 
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ZeoVGM

Banned
PSlayer said:
Question: now that political discussion is out of topic and the celebritiy mods are gone, will derailing threads for political reasons still be accepted as "just expressing my opinion"? I ask this because some threads with themes like hat in time,crowbcat and red letter media are constantly flooded by people who want to talk about someone's political background.
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crowbcat gets crap for doing something racist.

That isn't politics.
 
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