DragonKnight
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Exactly. It's amazing how you guys are basically saying fuck the core let nintendo do what they want when nintendo's own focus and aim with the WiiU is on expanding and garnerning new core gamers.
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Exactly. It's amazing how you guys are basically saying fuck the core let nintendo do what they want when nintendo's own focus and aim with the WiiU is on expanding and garnerning new core gamers.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
We know their investors won't be.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
hahahaha.
Catering towards others has helped Nintendo when in recent times???
Free middleware this time, getting input on system specs, making clickable sticks, etc... and we still hear developers not satisfied.
The song and dance gets old, Nintendo should focus on what makes them Nintendo.
How is getting downports of PS4 and Xbox720 games going to guarantee any expansion???
Awesome.
Where is it at? I've searched the document for "8" "eight" "attach" but I can't find anything. What language/phrases/words do they use to say that?
DragonKnight
Member
I said this many, many times. However, they've made specific references to expand their core audience. This requires third party support. If third parties side with the UE4 and the WiiU can't run it, I don't think I need to say the rest. At best you have another Wii-like scenario and sales drop off in two years.
Disorientator
Member
Beats me.
This. However, they should also try to empower smaller 3rd parties to make games for their systems that are exclusive. This would help a lot.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Rush2thestart
Member
How do you know they will be downports? Could be that the PS4 and Xbox720 games will be up-ports (hell, even downports but I wont get into that).
Being the first console out gives Wii U a big advantage because it can set the stage for next gen for 3rd parties.
comedy bomb
Banned
Didn't someone say we'd be getting good news involving the Wii U this weekend? I can't decide if I want news or a fresh pre E3 account sacrifice.
Expanding your audience should not come at the cost of profitability, unless you run the numbers and find that the trade-off leads to more profitability than the alternative. Otherwise, it's a Pyrrhic victory. Exclusivity is what will drive adoption, not multiplats.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
I don't even know what you are talking about.
DragonKnight
Member
Can't even argue with you as you can't even see what i'm saying. I'll say it one more time and hopefully you'll catch on: It's needs to be a system for everyone. Core, nintendo fans, casuals, grandma--everyone. That's the only way the system will outdo the Wii's numbers. The tablet may catch on with casuals. Maybe. But nintendo themselves has referenced the core. You say nintendo should do what makes them nintendo? Well Iwata says that nintendo needs to win back their core. You do that with games that they care about which are third party games. The same games that the competitors have need to be on the WiiU as well. For example, if bioshock infinite was going to be on the WiiU, I'd have no reason to go elsewhere.
Ironically you'd expect this kind of shrewd interpretation of money-centric intent from the MS or Sony speculators. Never would have thought Nintendo would be made out to be a thoughtless corporation by it's own fanbase.
Got a mumble chat for Neogaf members to watch the live-stream together, during E3.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
I've read what you wrote. You said that if UE4 becomes the de facto third party engine, and Wii-U doesn't support it, there goes third party support. I agree with you here on the idea IF UE4 becomes said engine and Wii-U doesn't support it, but I personally don't believe it will become the de facto engine. I believe a bunch of developers will stick with UE3 or go to other cheaper engines to save costs on development. But that's for another discussion.
Then you said that all the casual gamers have moved away and most will not come back, and if Wii-U does not support the de facto engine, it will sell to mainly the core Nintendo base which is 25m at best.
That's a lot different then saying it will "undersell the Wii" like you act like you said. You also were preaching this in the IGN poll thread. But think what you want. Wii proved that Nintendo can live in it's own bubble and still sell consoles like hot cakes. UE4 or not, Wii-U will be successful sales-wise.
StAidan
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Not sure where it is in that document, but it's also viewable here:
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/sales/hard_soft/index.html
(Requires dividing one number by another number, but yeah, it works out to about 8.5.)
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Good news would be ok now but if it's 2 days before the show, forget that shit.
DragonKnight
Member
Who said anything about profitability? Not me.
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Seriously, though, it's an in-order processor with a relatively small cache and poor IPC. It's what happens when you chase specifications rather than real-world performance. This is what I'm talking about when I say that the Wii U CPU should be significantly more capable than the XBox360's in many situations, even though the two are superficially similar.
Mumble is a voice system, right? Why would you want to hear people talk during nintendo's conference? A chat I can understand.
Which is why you're doing it wrong. Nothing is as simple as snapping your fingers and saying, "Yes, do this, that, that, and this too - then everyone will be happy!"
Fantastical
Death Prophet
Ohhh I see. You guys should record it. It would be kinda funny to listen to.
For the 'You had to be there' moments.
Could make it an IRC chat if it's more appealing, I guess.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
You don't need Mark Rein to win back the "core".
You need games that look and play great and interest this whatever-semantics-type-of-gamer.
DragonKnight
Member
Didn't say casuals won't come back. I said they won't come back in such large numbers. Wii selling like hot cakes was lighting in a bottle. I can see that you're expecting lighting to strike twice. I don't and nintendo doesn't and therefore they are looking to their core.
At the "Consolidates sales" page.
Units in ten thousands.
Total Life-to-date sales for Wii
hardware: 9,585
software: 81,846
advanced calculus: 8.5
I don't think Nintendo expects to catch the same lightning in the bottle twice, but I do think they will try and gain another such strike.
I mean wasn't one of the points of Iwata's recent Investor's meeting that they are looking into game(S)/franchises that will sell the system like Wii SPorts, but isn't Wii Sports for the Wii U?
Agent Unknown
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In my opinion, Sunshine gets a lot of rose tinted glasses from folks. Galaxy was exactly the direction the series needed to go in after Sunshine which left out too much of the series' roots. There was too much sandbox and not enough sandcastle, namely: proper platforming (Fludd'less stages were good but those were more like bonus areas).
And there were more than a few open ended stages in Galaxy like Honey Hive and Sea Slide. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed Sunshine but it's pretty weak compared to Galaxy and the fact it had so little meat to it made the five year wait until SMG all the more painful.
If they make a sequel they need to do the following to get me on board (in response to EuropeOG's original post):
Add more action and platforming, more enemies, a LOT less recycled missions, NO blue coin garbage - just give us actual missions for the extra shines, more stages, more bosses, better integration of Yoshi and I'm there.
I agree that being the first console out is still a huge deal. People like to buy what they know others (friend) will have, especially in the online age. Once a console starts to gain steam, and catches on, it only gets bigger from there. If you switched the Playstation 3 and 360, solely in name alone, then the PS3 would have seen all the successes that the 360 saw. It's all about garnering an audience, then market and let word of mouth do its thing. Once the software comes, so will more people.
I think a lot of people underestimate the importance of exclusives though. Since the Wii U is going back to a somewhat traditional control scheme, I think that multiplats are going to be important, but that exclusives will still push sales, and while Nintendo easily has the best 1st party games, hopefully they can lock up 3rd party exclusives as well.
Also, thanks for pointing the attach rate number out.
I think a lot of people underestimate the importance of exclusives though. Since the Wii U is going back to a somewhat traditional control scheme, I think that multiplats are going to be important, but that exclusives will still push sales, and while Nintendo easily has the best 1st party games, hopefully they can lock up 3rd party exclusives as well.
Also, thanks for pointing the attach rate number out.
DragonKnight
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So by nintendo satisfying core and casuals but to an even larger degree you're saying that they wont' be profitable? Never said they should bend over backwards. Jesus it's like the Nintendo defense force in here. I mean nintendo themselves have come out and said that they are trying to please everyone.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Yeah.
My guess is something along the lines of a package not unlike the demos we saw at last E3(Chase Mii, Battle Mii) but maybe even more of a social/party atmosphere.
Father_Brain
Banned
Nintendo is not capable of doing that entirely on its own, though.
They'll need first-party titles that appeal to that audience if they want to win them over early in the generation, sure, and I fully expect them to show off a few titles of that nature at E3, but they won't be able to retain that audience for an entire generation if they can't keep third parties on board for multiplatform support (let alone don't have publishers other than THQ, Activision, and Ubisoft on board in the first place).
Sounds like a good choice to me. Maybe put a few demos for other games on there as well.
DragonKnight
Member
Don't bother trying, bro.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
But exclusives and first party games will set the tone.
Why would gamers that traditionally buy the other systems flock to Nintendo over systems that will be more powerful that play those games they are used to???
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
What if no one shows up but Iwata???
About the RMC tease for the 3DS game, what I've seen so far from his Twitter
1) It's a third party game. The company is a long-running, well-known one.
2) It's NOT a localisation announcement for something we already know. So, it isn't AA v.s. PL
3)It's a game from a franchise which hasn't seen many releases for a while.
4)It was one of those games rumoured in the last months
5)He's sent an email to the company to see if he can get the possibility of doing an official tease
Soo...Castlevania? Contra? What has been rumoured in the last months?
1) It's a third party game. The company is a long-running, well-known one.
2) It's NOT a localisation announcement for something we already know. So, it isn't AA v.s. PL
3)It's a game from a franchise which hasn't seen many releases for a while.
4)It was one of those games rumoured in the last months
5)He's sent an email to the company to see if he can get the possibility of doing an official tease
Soo...Castlevania? Contra? What has been rumoured in the last months?
I'm not quite saying F the core, although I do feel ambivalent-at-best toward much of that crowd.
Their priorities seem screwy, their tastes make me say ugh, their sense of financial reality seems disjointed (I'm being kind on this point). I just don't want to see Nintendo bending over backwards, becoming something they aren't for an audience that, I think, has largely made-up their mind on the company. Nintendo's best chance, I think, lies with the folks they've lost over the years. Folks who may be sad with some of Nintendo's decisions - not embittered, like much of the core has become. Make the games that this crowd loved, show that they are important - the F-Zeros, etc- and they will come back.
DragonKnight
Member
Just like they set the tone for the GCN, right? And what third party exclusives are you talking about. Killer freaks and Lego stories are all we known right now.
And figuring out how to get them to flock to the WiiU is nintendo goal and thus there problem. I'm simply suggesting some ways for them to make it happen.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Sounds like Castlevania to me.
TheMagician
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Nintendo should be ashamed of themselves if they don't change the Wii U name.
It would be an unbelievable example of not learning from past mistakes. It still haunts the 3DS to this very day, a year after release and I suggest that it will effect the Wii U long term as well. The name alone needs to let people know that this isn't just a revision.
I just can't believe they wouldn't look at what happened with the 3DS and not realise this. Mental.
It would be an unbelievable example of not learning from past mistakes. It still haunts the 3DS to this very day, a year after release and I suggest that it will effect the Wii U long term as well. The name alone needs to let people know that this isn't just a revision.
I just can't believe they wouldn't look at what happened with the 3DS and not realise this. Mental.
Could be, but that Castlevania game for the PS360 came out last year. Not sure if they meant "no releases in a while" on handhelds or the (3)DS though.
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