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The Wii U Speculation Thread VI: The Undiscovered Country

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japtor

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Does reading to the second layer not need any extra hardware? Is it just firmware that will need changing? This will not be needed until the first 25GB plus games are released so as to maximise the life of the drives probably so I guess we can have it down the line buit having it already implemented in the first firmware wont hurt in my view.
I think the laser needs to be able to refocus (so another moving part?) to read the different layers. So I don't know, I figure it depends if they can get a fixed focus lens drive made for cheaper...which may not be possible considering they'd be the only ones using it.
Has there been any word on if Nintendo will be remaking any Wii or Gamecube games in HD on the Wii U?

There are a TON of games for both that I'd love to play again.
Might've been something said about GC games but I could be imagining that. In any case it's not like Nintendo is a stranger to rereleases and remakes. I figure if anything the full game digital distro plan they have gives them a cheaper way of putting them out there.
I'd be surprised if it happens but yes, it would be amazingly nostalgic. :)
NSMBWii in HD packed in/installed, plus expansions available online and through NSMB2 (buy NSMB2, levels become playable in NSMBWii).
 
yeah... pretty HARD

anyway I am afraid to watch anything Konami later and not find a single WiiU title or WiiU port

We should at the very least expect a U SKU of Pro Evo, although Pro Evo without pointer controls is a big step backwards imo. Pro Evo on the Wii is the best football video game I've ever played, and at nearly 41 years old I've played a shedload of them. The attacking options you have at your disposal are phenomenal, going back to either FIFA or Pro Evo on the PS3 and 360 feels really archaic.
 
gaf -> internet -> gaf

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=38374166&postcount=10058
->
http://mynintendonews.com/2012/06/01/diablo-iii-for-wii-u-leaked/

never ceases to amaze me. wonder how much ad revenue they're getting off of gaf?

The problem with this one is the article is totally wrong. My source never said he was SURE that one of the games was Diablo III Wii U, nor did he claim for sure that Blizzcon 2012 was cancelled purely due to Diablo III for consoles. He doesn't even mention StarCraft II or the Project Titan stuff. What a terrible report!
 

Gahiggidy

My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
I'm going to be really disappointed if the delay for Tomb Raider doesn't equal a Wii-U version...

Who knows. But from watching the "next wave" of hyped 3rd party games on SpikeTV tonight, I got this familiar feeling of being a poor kid looking in a restaurant window at all the wonderful foods you can't have.
Exactly it all comes down to money. If they cant even make back the port costs on a title they are gonna say sayonara

But what are the port costs? Or rather, of adding one more box to multi-platform development? I'd love to see an economic breakdown of making that decision.
 
The problem with this one is the article is totally wrong. My source never said he was SURE that one of the games was Diablo III Wii U, nor did he claim for sure that Blizzcon 2012 was cancelled purely due to Diablo III for consoles. He doesn't even mention StarCraft II or the Project Titan stuff. What a terrible report!

Gotta get those clicks...:-/
 
NSMBWii in HD packed in/installed, plus expansions available online and through NSMB2 (buy NSMB2, levels become playable in NSMBWii).

It goes without saying (since you're a fellow Shmup fan), but this is a good idea and I like the way you think, sir!

Edit: And I think Mario will make DLC a very good thing. Ex: Grandmaster Galaxy too easy for ya? Try this month's special level, hotshot!
 

antonz

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Well new Castlevania is only listed as PS360 so far. Would be hilarious for Konami to pawn off LOS2 3DS on us and then not bring Console LOS2
 
It goes without saying (since you're a fellow Shmup fan), but this is a good idea and I like the way you think, sir!

I mentioned something similar to this on the previous page. But I think something that would make a packed in 2D Mario even better is the ability to make your own levels on the UPad and upload/share them with other people.
 
Dat Konami Conference....

35GV
 
I mentioned something similar to this on the previous page. But I think something that would make a packed in 2D Mario even better is the ability to make your own levels on the UPad and upload/share them with other people.

Yeah there are a lot of possibilities with the UPad. I think it would be neat if when you go down a pipe, you transition down onto the Upad screen, and you can still see what's above ground on the tv.
 

HylianTom

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Ha, the Konami thing is horribad.
Is anyone encouraged by this, in some sick, twisted way?

I mean.. expectations for Nintendo are pretty low. This Konami thing is just the first quasi-event of E3, and it's a turd. If this continues from event to event, and then Nintendo comes along and does pretty well, they look fantastic in comparison.

We're seeing the lack of surprise effect in full force. Watch what happens over the weekend and on Monday. Nintendo has this E3 thing figured-out, in theory at least.
 
And I think Mario will make DLC a very good thing. Ex: Grandmaster Galaxy too easy for ya? Try this month's special level, hotshot!

No.

No.

No no no no no.

Have you seen the way Nintendo is handling Fire Emblem? Is that what you want Mario to become? It's awful. Nintendo already has a taste for the exploitative, nickel-and-diming, anti-consumer DLC. Don't encourage them.
 
Wouldn't that just be up to the user? I mean, there's really nothing stopping the user from holding a controller in this manner.

For instance... I play some FPS on Xbox 360 like that(although, only for the right hand, not the left).

On PS3, I fly the heli in Battlefield 3 while holding the controller like that.

While I only make that adjustment with the right hand.. there's nothing physically stopping me from doing it with both hands. It doesn't look like the Wii U controller would prevent you from doing the same.

It looks like the Z buttons are much lower, which make me think your middle fingers fall into place right on them. It's just hard to tell without actually holding the controller
 

Gahiggidy

My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
Is anyone encouraged by this, in some sick, twisted way?

I mean.. expectations for Nintendo are pretty low. This Konami thing is just the first quasi-event of E3, and it's a turd. If this continues from event to event, and then Nintendo comes along and does pretty well, they look fantastic in comparison.

We're seeing the lack of surprise effect in full force. Watch what happens over the weekend and on Monday. Nintendo has this E3 thing figured-out, in theory at least.

Its Konami.

Did you see the Spike GT thing tonight? All Microsoft adn Sony have to do is show live gameplay demos of games like 1313, Dishonored, etc. and people will be itching to play those games on 360 & PS3. The question is does Nintendo have alot of those same games, some exclusives that appeal to the same demo, and will they show them off in proper form at the press conference?
 
No.

No.

No no no no no.

Have you seen the way Nintendo is handling Fire Emblem? Is that what you want Mario to become? It's awful. Nintendo already has a taste for the exploitative, nickel-and-diming, anti-consumer DLC. Don't encourage them.

The Fire Emblem DLC is fine. It is the definition of extraneous content that can be picked separately, is actual downloadable content, and uses non-Nintendo resources for it.

What part of this do you consider exploitative and anti-consumer?
 

antonz

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Its Konami.

Did you see the Spike GT thing tonight? All Microsoft adn Sony have to do is show live gameplay demos of games like 1313, Dishonored, etc. and people will be itching to play those games on 360 & PS3. The question is does Nintendo have alot of those same games, some exclusives that appeal to the same demo, and will they show them off in proper form at the press conference?

Yeah things like 1313 are gonna be an issue and im guessing Microsoft is moneyhatting it to some degree so they get to show footage at their event etc.

Nintendo has the hype easy with regards to the console but they are gonna have to really bring it game wise
 

Gahiggidy

My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
It looks like the Z buttons are much lower, which make me think your middle fingers fall into place right on them. It's just hard to tell without actually holding the controller


^^^

The trigger button is right below the joystick, which seems to me to be the natural place for the index finger to land. It might actually be a bit of a reach to switch back and forth to the bumper.
 

HylianTom

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Yeah things like 1313 are gonna be an issue and im guessing Microsoft is moneyhatting it to some degree so they get to show footage at their event etc.

Nintendo has the hype easy with regards to the console but they are gonna have to really bring it game wise
True. I just can't get over the whole lack-of-surprise element of it all. Showmanship is gone. Such a pity.. and I'm not at all being sarcastic when I say that.

Also, since I'm thinking about Konami's golden days..
Goonies2.jpg

(A damn shame that this game and its predecessor aren't on the Virtual Console.)
 
No.

No.

No no no no no.

Have you seen the way Nintendo is handling Fire Emblem? Is that what you want Mario to become? It's awful. Nintendo already has a taste for the exploitative, nickel-and-diming, anti-consumer DLC. Don't encourage them.

Sorry, not familiar with what's going on with Fire Emblem. What is it, like weak sauce extra missions, lame stat upgrades, ect? I still think extra platform stages in a Mario game could add a lot of extra replay value if done right.

I mentioned something similar to this on the previous page. But I think something that would make a packed in 2D Mario even better is the ability to make your own levels on the UPad and upload/share them with other people.

Definitely like this idea. Back in the day I kept wishing they'd release a special anniversary edition of 8-bit SMB on the DS with a touch screen sprite and level editor.
 

japtor

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I mentioned something similar to this on the previous page. But I think something that would make a packed in 2D Mario even better is the ability to make your own levels on the UPad and upload/share them with other people.
Yeah that'd be pretty awesome but way beyond what I'd expect from Nintendo. Hell a base game with expansions down the line would be surprising...that said it'd probably be really good for them, particularly since they only release one or two of a game per console. It'd make their "evergreen" titles even more evergreen.

I'd just be happy with being able to download the old SMB levels/worlds/power ups in NSMB form, like release each game's pack every few months or something (not nickel and diming a few levels at a time).
And buying New Yoshi's Island would give you new artwork for everything.

Oh and Mario Kart. I'LL PAY FOR BABY PARK ALONE! (but would prefer larger packs spread out over time)
 

blu

Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
It's final hardware, it's not about E3 attendees.
It does not matter.

1. QA/debug units will also be 'final' hardware
2. Do you expect 'final' hardware to be unable to run titles off SD?
 
Sorry, not familiar with what's going on with Fire Emblem. What is it, like weak sauce extra missions, lame stat upgrades, ect? I still think extra platform stages in a Mario game could add a lot of extra replay value if done right.

Fire Emblem's DLC are extra misions that have recruitable legacy characters from other FE games with their art done by outside, generally well-known artists.
 
The Fire Emblem DLC is fine. It is the definition of extraneous content that can be picked separately, is actual downloadable content, and uses non-Nintendo resources for it.

What part of this do you consider exploitative and anti-consumer?

Isn't it $3 for a character and a map? And each one is designed to sucker in longtime FE fans to buy in for their favorite character. Then if you want to play the rest of this sidequest, you buy it piecemeal.

I consider the entire DLC model anti-consumer. I've explained this several times, but it's a model that actively encourages publishers to withhold content. With DLC, it's better for a publisher to release the minimal acceptable amount of content, because anything above that minimum could be sold for extra.

Now people like to say that DLC allows developers to develop content post-game. But you will never ever know if it was developed later or simply held back. Never. All you know is that the DLC model encourages developers to withhold content for financial gain. It's a model that greatly shifts power away from consumers and into publishers' hands.

You might say, "Freezie, this Fire Emblem sidequest would never even exist without DLC." But there's no way of knowing that. Getting to play as Luigi in Galaxy or 3D Land? The Green Stars in Galaxy 2? That era is over.

Wait until Nintendo gets used to the DLC model. Playing as Luigi will be paid DLC, and Green Stars will be sold by the dozen. Defenders will still say, "Well, you would've never gotten to play those without DLC," or "The full game with Mario is still there." And publishers know in a generation, nobody will remember that we got multiple costumes in Smash Bros. for no additional cost.
 

VOOK

We don't know why he keeps buying PAL, either.
So this might be known... but there is two Nintendo roundtables this year. The usual one on the Tuesday for Hardware, but also a software one the next day.
 

antonz

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So this might be known... but there is two Nintendo roundtables this year. The usual one on the Tuesday for Hardware, but also a software one the next day.

Sure? We know there is a software showcase thing but didnt know it was a roundtable
 

VOOK

We don't know why he keeps buying PAL, either.
Ah right look at the site, the showcase will have media in attendance then as well. (I'm guessing here)

But yeah 6pm Tuesday, Hardware Roundtable.
 
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