Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
To be fair, Gaf does pretty much hate everything. Then again, we have thousands of users so there will always be someone on that side.
But I guess what I mean is that if he takes issue with Eurogamers integrity, why can't we? Him telling us not to do so makes it stupid on an article a out the integrity of others.
The original article does cast a question over her character.
Whether casting a question is libel or not, I'm not sure. I think the leading context of the article might be what tips it but I'm not really that au fait with libel/defamation law. The article was a bit leading though. 'I'm not saying she's in their pockets, BUT...'
She works for MCV primarily, which is an Intent Media publication. I doubt any organization she's associated with via her freelance role would care enough to assist. If anything, they'd get her off the books and hire one of the thousand other freelancers out there vying for work.
Maybe he doesn't want Eurogamer to be dragged into a legal battle?
Even if there is no case for it, any stress to Tom Bramwell or other Eurogamer staff that may result could be regarded as his fault and he'd rather avoid that.
You're wasting too much time trying to argue a position that doesn't need arguing.
To be fair, Gaf does pretty much hate everything. Then again, we have thousands of users so there will always be someone on that side.
I vote euro gamer become a banned site on gaf like game spot was
of all the problems in the world, this ranks really high on the list.
no wonder the world is in shambles.
It's important to note that Rab is not a staff member at Eurogamer but was freelancing and we have no idea if he was being paid for it or not. So whether Eurogamer would do the same it if involved a regular member of staff is unknown.
There is also no reason why Eurogamer can't be criticised for giving into the threat of legal action, even if Rab thinks they shouldn't be blamed for anything.
what is this
Then why come into the thread?
You added nothing to this conversation except your dickish comment.
Games forum has thread about games industry, unenlightened poster wonders why.
I was just looking up some of here work, as I admit I've never heard her name mentioned before now and came across this linked from her website:
http://journalisted.com/lauren-wainwright
Yup, it was most likely Intent/MCV that wrote the email for her. Michael French, the EIC of MCV, was talking about "justice" and how "you're a bad guy now if you defend your team" over on Twitter.
And conversely. Eurogamer are good guys then.Michael French ‏@Michael_French
You're a bad guy now if you defend your team. Video games!
Is that libel? I thing that's libel.full throttle scumbag.
That is true, however this whole thing has been very questionable.To be fair, Gaf does pretty much hate everything. Then again, we have thousands of users so there will always be someone on that side.
You've just described... a forum. I mean, literally, a forum.Just a note. Check out most of the threads we have on Gaf, you'll always find someone one one side of the coin or the other.
Euro gamer is to blame because there is no FUCKING reason to edit that article. As her twitter showed it was fucking factual. Usually media outlets defend their journalists and sources to the hilt
Euro gamer chose to not do that and instead of ensuring journalistic and editorial integrity and defence they took the easy way out
The writers of that site now know they have zero protection from their paymasters. Disgraceful
Jintor not sure your point. PR in this case done nothing wrong. Journalists just feel into a very grey trap
why not contact EG and offer to pay their legal fees? You sound like the hero we all need around here.
This makes me feel terrible. But man, he had huge balls to quit his job. What a fucking awesome dude imo
To be fair, Gaf does pretty much hate everything. Then again, we have thousands of users so there will always be someone on that side.
Didn't you know there is a global list of all the problema in the world and we are only allowed to talk about the one that is ranked highest until it is solved.
You've just described... a forum.
that crazy gaf, what the hell is wrong with them, why cant they just learn to enjoy corruption strongarmed threats, it they dont like that they cant enjoy anything in life!
When shit got grey at game spot tons of em left because they couldn't deal with it. You may see some of that at eg.This makes me feel terrible. But man, he had huge balls to quit his job. What a fucking awesome dude imo
I vote euro gamer become a banned site on gaf like game spot was
It's important to note that Rab is not a staff member at Eurogamer but was freelancing and we have no idea if he was being paid for it or not.
However - the doubting/questioning Lauren simply because she likes Tomb Raider is really rather distressing.
But what kind of world do we live in where somebody can't simply be excited?
Must have missed that part... Where did that happen?However - the doubting/questioning Lauren simply because she likes Tomb Raider is really rather distressing.
Respectfully, I think you're too close to this and, as a result, you're missing the point. John Walker has articulated it better than I could:I'm not going to get too deeply involved in this thread as I personally know many of those involved, but...
RE: The Lauren/Tomb Raider thing - that I didn't like. Rab has every right to call people out on the PS3 thing, it was questionable and dodgy. Feel free to get out your pitchforks and hunt to your hearts' content - I would never have entered that competition personally, and that's a personal decision and my personal stance on it. Others differ. Fair enough, each to their own. Also feel free to question Lauren supporting the people and saying she saw no problem. Fine. Whatever. That stuff is morally questionable and Rab/EG had and have every right to call it out.
However - the doubting/questioning Lauren simply because she likes Tomb Raider is really rather distressing. Are journalists not allowed to be excited for games any more? Lauren has been someone who bounced with excitement for Tomb Raider forever. Since before she was in the job professionally, when she was just doing it for fun on her blog and whatever. If all our journalists are meant to not be fans of games or excited for them, it leaves us in a pretty fucking sad place.
The rest of this story can be debated to the ends of the earth as far as I'm concerned, but the simple idea that somebody is in a company's pocket because they excitedly tweet about a game in a natural manner (IE without a shitty promoted hash tag as part of a competition, or in a tweet that reads like an ad) is just insanity. If other reasons arise to suggest they might be - working for them, taking loads of freebies, whatever - then feel free to ask that question. If somebody puts a video up of themselves singing and dancing around with the game box, again, feel free to ask that question - as that shows questionable judgement as well just looking plain dodgy.
But what kind of world do we live in where somebody can't simply be excited?
John Walker said:He pointed out that when someone vociferously defends a journalists right to advertise a game for personal gain, and also has her Twitter homepage emblazoned in images from the forthcoming Tomb Raider game, it could make others ask questions. Never mind that its obviously massively stupid and inappropriate for a games journalist to smother an unreleased game all over their personal page he simply pointed out that in doing so while so enthusiastically arguing that other forms of advertising are fine, people could conflate the two. That would be an entirely reasonable point. Youd think.
I would quit if my job is providing information and I am told to remove information cause someone is butthurt.
Here are her Square Enix related articles.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/fun/gaming/4375406/Gamings-killer-double-act.html
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/fun/gaming/4354817/Let-sleeping-dogs-lie.html
http://ca.ign.com/articles/2011/11/04/the-redemption-of-lara-croft
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/fun/gaming/3769932/Lab-rat-revolution.html
http://www.vg247.com/2011/02/07/cloud-nine-mitsunori-takahashi-on-dissidia-012/
http://www.vg247.com/2011/02/02/the...bata-i-dont-believe-survival-horror-is-dying/
http://www.vg247.com/2011/01/17/interview-tactics-ogre-director-hiroshi-minagawa/
http://www.vg247.com/2011/01/11/interview-lord-of-arcana-producer-takamasa-shiba/
Gaming Journalism: With a Vengeance.
Euro gamer is to blame because there is no FUCKING reason to edit that article. As her twitter showed it was fucking factual. Usually media outlets defend their journalists and sources to the hilt
Euro gamer chose to not do that and instead of ensuring journalistic and editorial integrity and defence they took the easy way out
The writers of that site now know they have zero protection from their paymasters. Disgraceful
When shit got grey at game spot tons of em left because they couldn't deal with it. You may see some of that at eg.
By having his words censored means his position as an opinion columnist is now untenable. I totally get why he left. You can't work for a company that has censored you, when your job is to give your opinion. But that doesn't mean to say he has any animosity towards EG itself; they were put in an impossible position in the face of potentially expensive litigation. If I were the Eurogamer editor, I'd do exactly the same thing, and if I were Rab I'd do what he did too. It's just an unfortunate situation.
I'm not going to get too deeply involved in this thread as I personally know many of those involved, but...
RE: The Lauren/Tomb Raider thing - that I didn't like. Rab has every right to call people out on the PS3 thing, it was questionable and dodgy. Feel free to get out your pitchforks and hunt to your hearts' content - I would never have entered that competition personally, and that's a personal decision and my personal stance on it. Others differ. Fair enough, each to their own. Also feel free to question Lauren supporting the people and saying she saw no problem. Fine. Whatever. That stuff is morally questionable and Rab/EG had and have every right to call it out.
However - the doubting/questioning Lauren simply because she likes Tomb Raider is really rather distressing. Are journalists not allowed to be excited for games any more? Lauren has been someone who bounced with excitement for Tomb Raider forever. Since before she was in the job professionally, when she was just doing it for fun on her blog and whatever. If all our journalists are meant to not be fans of games or excited for them, it leaves us in a pretty fucking sad place.
The rest of this story can be debated to the ends of the earth as far as I'm concerned, but the simple idea that somebody is in a company's pocket because they excitedly tweet about a game in a natural manner (IE without a shitty promoted hash tag as part of a competition) is just insanity. If other reasons arise to suggest they might be - working for them, taking loads of freebies, whatever - then feel free to ask that question. If somebody is puts a video up of themselves singing dancing around with the game box, again, feel free to ask that question - as that shows questionable judgement as well looks dodgy.
But what kind of world do we live in where somebody can't simply be excited?
And instantly I am suspicious. I am suspicious of this journalist's apparent love for Tomb Raider. I am asking myself whether she's in the pocket of the Tomb Raider PR team. I'm sure she isn't, but the doubt is there. After all, she sees nothing wrong with journalists promoting a game to win a PS3, right?
I would quit if my job is providing information and I am told to remove information cause someone is butthurt.
Here are her Square Enix related articles.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/fun/gaming/4375406/Gamings-killer-double-act.html
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/fun/gaming/4354817/Let-sleeping-dogs-lie.html
http://ca.ign.com/articles/2011/11/04/the-redemption-of-lara-croft
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/fun/gaming/3769932/Lab-rat-revolution.html
http://www.vg247.com/2011/02/07/cloud-nine-mitsunori-takahashi-on-dissidia-012/
http://www.vg247.com/2011/02/02/the...bata-i-dont-believe-survival-horror-is-dying/
http://www.vg247.com/2011/01/17/interview-tactics-ogre-director-hiroshi-minagawa/
http://www.vg247.com/2011/01/11/interview-lord-of-arcana-producer-takamasa-shiba/
Gaming Journalism: With a Vengeance.
That's the original article, pretty sure the bolded was removed.
Man that shit is really eye opening, PR in the guise of 'games journalism' has never been so beautifully exposed.
Have to say Mr Walker hits on one of the things I find most bizarre about the entire incident. Your a journalist, your job is to write, why didnt Ms Wainright simply write a response to Mr Florence's article? If she had she could have garnered some respect and at least the appearance of professionalism. As it is she not only makes herself look guilty, she makes herself look like something of an idiot as well