Perhaps around 1.25 years from now. We'll find out if the wait was worth it or not. The proof is in the pudding and next E3, it'll be intriguing to see what kind of machine they'd build as a substitute for the actual console to demo their "next gen" (faux pas or not) games on.
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Perhaps around 1.25 years from now. We'll find out if the wait was worth it or not. The proof is in the pudding and next E3, it'll be intriguing to see what kind of machine they'd build as a substitute for the actual console to demo their "next gen" (faux pas or not) games on.
Apophis2036
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4K native resolution, 300 FPS, 3TF GPU's lol, it seems people forget / forgive E3 2005 very easily...
Apophis2036
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I'm really looking forward to PS4, (after this Xmas i really will have had my fill of Fable, Forza, Halo and Gears) so i will more than likely go with Sony next gen.
I just think people should hold their expectations back a little or risk being really disappointed.
At the end of the day they will want to get it out for $400 and it has a manufacturing cost, power and heat envelope to stay within.
Even using a nice AMD Quad Core CPU, a 1.8TFLOP GPU and 2GB's of Ram, it's still quite a power leap over PS3 which is still to this day pumping out games like GoW: Ascension, Last of Us and Beyond.
My main hope for PS4 is that the architecture is built so that multi platform games look / run the same if not better than the 720 versions.
Continue to improve PSN (even if it means charging for it) and it will be the perfect console for me.
I just think people should hold their expectations back a little or risk being really disappointed.
At the end of the day they will want to get it out for $400 and it has a manufacturing cost, power and heat envelope to stay within.
Even using a nice AMD Quad Core CPU, a 1.8TFLOP GPU and 2GB's of Ram, it's still quite a power leap over PS3 which is still to this day pumping out games like GoW: Ascension, Last of Us and Beyond.
My main hope for PS4 is that the architecture is built so that multi platform games look / run the same if not better than the 720 versions.
Continue to improve PSN (even if it means charging for it) and it will be the perfect console for me.
Napalm_Frank
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Charging for psn would be the worst possible choice. I'd probably go Wii-U after that and I really don't want to as it is.
Unless psn charge includes plus like service. Then I could concider biting.
Unless psn charge includes plus like service. Then I could concider biting.
Apophis2036
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If charging $40 - $60 per year for PSN 'Gold' made the online experiences as stable as the 360 then i would have no problem paying for it.
Although im a massive Nintendo fan i wouldn't expect much from their free online service, there you have a company so behind the times with regards to Online that im expecting worse problems than early PSN with the WiiU's online.
PS4 will be my multiplatform machine with WiiU for exlusives only.
What do people expect from E3 2013 regarding PS4 ?, i recently rewatched the 2005 presentations and they spent 50 mins talking about the specs alone before even showing a tech demo !, surely there will be no repeat of that.
Most of the games shown were also using pre rendered footage and the few real games that were shown were either cancelled or delayed.
I for one hope they only show what is capable on day one with games they know for a fact will launch with the system (games out in the first 3-6 months).
Barkley's Justice
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No you won't.
Napalm_Frank
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Yes I very much would go Wii U and PC. Chargin online is a big no no for me unless there is a shitload of bonuses ala plus included.
Ofc I would pick the console up way later to play the exclusives and such. That said I doubt Sony would make PSN charged.
I haven't picked up 360 for this very reason. If live was free I would have gotten the thing back in 2006 instead of Wii (in the end that ended up being a bad choice too >.<).
babyghost853
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Charging for live is the number 1 reason I don't own a 360, if sony charges for psn I will not buy. I have not had any stability issues with psn, and I won't claim that people who do are making it up, but charging for psn will not make those issues suddenly go away. I will never pay twice to play a game online.
phosphor112
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Same, I don't play online enough to waste money like that.
Care to enlighten us on what comparative lack of stability are you on about?
Apophis2036
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Just general lag, DC's esp on EA games, something i don't experience on XBL. It's not a shot at Sony i have just always found that online gaming on XBL > PSN but i suppose it is free.
DCDW
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It will definitely be interesting to see the online infrastructures of these new consoles. If the Wii U's rumored 1 gig of ram dedicated to the OS is even close to half true, it would be a beast for online features while gaming. Meanwhile I believe Sony's PS3 OS now runs using only 50 MB of ram (formerly 120 MB). Cross chat isn't possible due to the limitations of Ram on the PS3 (Xbox 360 has the same amount of ram but is unified between the CPU and GPU so there's more flexibility for distribution).
I can't see either MS or Sony falling behind in this department either. As for lag issues, I'm not sold on MS's pay service as it's been revealed that they use Peer 2 Peer hosting on some games as well. A lot of it can also be attributed to developer netcode as well.
pharmboy044
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This really scares me. We all know Sony can't keep a secret (The two PS3 revisions say hello.). I just have a bad feeling that Sony will be releasing the PS4 in 2014.
Sony is operating in total loss territory. Do not be surprised to see a subscription based model. I don't exactly advocate it, but I can understand why they would do it.
Gemüsepizza
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I have never experienced any lag or many DCs. But I know people are fast to say that Sony's online service is bad "because it's free".
But those devices were launch-ready, the PS4 isn't.
iamshadowlark
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Well I don't think Vita was leaked that early out.
I'm looking forward to the whole of next year. Every little event will have people foaming at the mouth anticipating leaks, going crazy over baseless speculation and ambiguous rumours.
Fun probably starts in earnest in the run up to CES, then we have GDC, potential Sony/MS events, even before we get to E3.
Fun probably starts in earnest in the run up to CES, then we have GDC, potential Sony/MS events, even before we get to E3.
Digital Foundary leaked the specs of the Vita 2.5 years before it launched. The Vita is almost certainly the gaming device that leaked the earliest.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-psp2-features-quad-core-gpu-blog-entry
Majority of previous generation Sony leaks came from manufacturing lines in China, and its too early for PS4 mass production.
Canis lupus
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That's a refreshing change.
I don't think that they'll start charging for online since that's a pretty big bullet point that separates them from MS but they may start adding extra features to entice people into getting Plus. I have a feeling that Plus is going to get revamped for next gen so that more people feel like it'll be a necessity instead of a luxury. I don't know what features would do this but I can forsee Sony doing something that would make non Plus members sign up, just not charging for online play.
No, they leaked the actual GPU used in the Vita - the PowerVR SGX543MP.
Canis lupus
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I can see online passes becoming a part of PS+.
Honestly I wouldn't feel mad if they made online + exclusive. I plan to subscribe until the end so it wouldn't affect me.
@SPE: oh yeah indeed.
Honestly I wouldn't feel mad if they made online + exclusive. I plan to subscribe until the end so it wouldn't affect me.
@SPE: oh yeah indeed.
This gave me an idea. Online passes free for new buyers and Plus users. I could see that happening.
Unknown One
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I'll go PC only if it's charge. Paying to use your own internet connection is ridiculous.
Brad Grenz
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They aren't going to use PS+ in a way that encourages used game sales.
systemfehler
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Keep us updated although I fear we won't get any substantial (console related) news out of this.
specialguy
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of course we wont.
AMD invites MS spokesperson to make vague comment about future developments.
Sony comes out in retaliation with an interview with Kaz Hirai about how Sony is pushing the boundaries of R&D for the future of entertainment.
MS responds with snarky tweet about how they don't think the Samaritan demo is very challenging for next gen consoles
Sony posts a screenshot of Samaritan running at 4k with a winky emoticon next to it
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By the weekend we'll know everything about both consoles
Apparently ARM is confirmed as the 'special guest', and it will be about an ARM based server.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2013133/amd-expected-to-unveil-arm-based-server-on-monday.html
XtremeXpider
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I don't know but it looks like MS is making changes in their first party devs, a lot of new people, new studios have been created, and it looks like they are preparing new IPs.
I will wait before taking a desition
SolarPowered
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More PSN+ discounts and sales. Valve and Gabe already figured out the secret to our wallets. Just give us more opportunities to buy games. Oh, and more PSN+ discounts on other game related stuff like soundtracks and such.
Well I'm hoping we get some specs revealed next year at least. That should give us a good idea how close some of us were with our speculations. How it translates on screen won't be accurately seen for a few years and even then there will be surprises.
Yeah pretty much. I wish I was on GAF when all the hype surrounding 1080p gaming was going around.
People get caught up in hype so easily and I really can't fault them for it. I'm just far too cynical to believe anything without actually seeing it or having good reason to believe it.
I doubt we'll see much of 8xMSAA, especially if deferred shading becomes even more popular next gen.
Apophis2036
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It wasn't so much hype as in Sony lying to the whole conference, they said PS3 would be able to output games in native 1080p, on two HDTV's, at the same time !!!.
Whatever Sony say / show at E3 2013 regarding the PS4's performance, i will be taking it with a bucket of salt to avoid disappointment when i buy the system and a few launch games.
Ever since the infamous Killzone 2 CGI footage from 2005 set the bar for blatant lies, you shouldn't believe anything from Sony or MS at E3. MS currently have the crown for King Of Fibs with their ludicrously fake Natal/Kinetic video from 2009.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2qlHoxPioM
Melchiah
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Just like Microsoft lied about every 360 game being 4xAA/720p. Something which people seem to forget.
I don't expect any more solid rumors until GDC at the earliest.
SniperHunter
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Will PS4 be able to run Planetside 2 at max settings?
JordanN
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Did they?
I remember watching a video of Xbox 360 back when the devkits were Power Macs and there was talk about the final dev kits getting rid of aliasing. Not that they were wrong, developer's could of used the resource for something else.
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