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[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Why would I be shocked guys from Retro are happy with the Wii-U from developing ONLY on Wii? What exactly is the point you are trying to make?

He's basically saying that Retro's new game will be amazing.

 

[LeleSocho]

Never said I didn't trust him, just saying it's raw numbers and he's not going to be putting them to use for the system.

Yet those raw numbers are telling us what the console can do at best, at this point in time for some people is much more important raw numbers now than a game in (hopefully) 1-2 years

 

[mrklaw]

So slower cocked than many smartphones, and fewer cores than some.

I know, I know, apples and oranges, but still.


I wonder if they expect the GPU to handle enough to take up the slack, so the CPU is just housekeeping.

 

[RurouniZel]

And miss out on Miiverse features!?

I know they add SO much to the game (/sarcasm) but I'm sure he'll manage for an hour.

 

[Maleficence]

We're experiencing flat out shameful, incompetent design. Decade-old hardware in a primarily $350 box is not necessary or even particularly beneficial in order to secure an aggressive profit margin, and having power trade-offs with the 360/PS3 architectures ensures bad press and unhappy port-buyers from the beginning, when upgraded current gen ports were very much part of the launch strategy. Fils-Aime has to run laughably dishonest damage control on a daily basis as part of this catastrophic failure to produce a technologically viable system -- again, at such a premium price point.

No worries, though. I'm sure soccer moms worldwide, with their iPads and Nexus 7s sitting on the coffee table, will be enthralled by the unique selling point of a living room tethered, two hour battery life, PDA-era resistive touch screen tablet controller.

Sad thing is, they probably will.

 

[big_erk]

At this point, Nintendo hardware is the pill I have to swallow to get to play some of my favourite games.

I agree, but as long as those games are great all will be forgiven. Personally I'm hoping for my favorite Nintendo franchises along with some decent JRPG support.

I really think Nintendo, IBM and AMD should do an Iwata Asks, and actually discuss the motivations behind the hardware design.

 

[jerd]

I love LaunchGAF. For this reason alone, I hope next PS and Xbox launch at or around the same time.

 

[metalslimer]

He's basically saying that Retro's new game will be amazing.

What does that have to do with this thread though?

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Yet those raw numbers are telling us what the console can do at best,

Tell that to Capcom.

 

[Akkad]

2. Just because the clock speed is lower doesn't make it garbage. That's like comparing a p4 with higher clock speeds to an i5 with lower clock speeds.

The difference in this case is that you are comparing a P4 to a higher clocked P4, not to an i5.

 

[Bisnic]

Sure, it plays PS3/360 games quite well, but what happens when the PS4 and Nextbox come out with even more CPU/GPU intensive games? The Wii U ports of current gen games haven't been all that wonderful.

Well, that's another story altogether. The Wii U ports aren't all wonderful because they're launch games. The ones coming out in 2013 will probably run better.

As for PS4/XBox3 ports... well, we only have to hope that Nintendo wont wait 6 years before releasing their next-next gen console and that this particular console will actually have a CPU made from this decade.

 

[womp]

I feel so old now, when I was 5 my Christmas present was the NES.

Passing the torch to new generations, love it!

I was 14 when I got the NES a few months after launch, grudgingly, since I was already a Commodore slut for the previous 4 years prior to it. And even though the NES was technically a downgrade to my C64 (SID chip for the win), I wasn't going to ignore it over specs alone when it gave me awesomeness such as Zelda.

That said, him and I (and mom) are going to have a blast playing NintendoLand, Skylanders Giants and Mario U together Christmas morning, specs be damned.

You are an awful parent, how can you give him such a shitty console? :O :O :O

bad bad bad parent :O


:3

I'm almost 40, and have owned almost every console that has ever existed. Trust me, I know what I am doing.



Heck, I even own a Nexus 7! :O

 

[Captain Smoker]

I understand what you are saying, but retro does not have to port games from other systems.

Background downloading.

 

[FACE]

you're looking at this all wrong. see, you're used to driving a ferrari. sure it's fast, exciting and leaves you with a smile on your face - but have you never thought of buying a minivan? why tear up the strip at 100mph when you can instead enjoy the piercing odour of your kids shitting their pants on the back seat while screaming at tinnitus inducing decibel levels as you hit the five mile daily tailback on the between daycare and your ex-wife's boyfriend's house?

you're just out of touch is all.

 

[Cosmozone]

What are you even talking about? Were talking engines, it's not just downscaling graphics. It's obvious UE4 is being pushed as the go to engine for next gen, and to keep development costs down it will probably be true. Third parties aren't going to waste the time, money and effort to retool a game to run on Wii-U.

Come on. You can downscale everything. In the end you're just painting polygons. You can also reduce enemies, going down with frame rate etc. Of course, it's effort, I haven't denied that. I just said the decision is just a financial one. I didn't even say they will decide the one way or the other. That's what you were just assuming. I'm not participating in fanboy wars if you hoped for that.

 

[Saint Gregory]

At this point, Nintendo hardware is the pill I have to swallow to get to play some of my favourite games.

And Nintendo knows this too, which is why Iwata can still read through threads like this while wringing his hands and muttering "good, good..."

 

[Gahiggidy]

We're experiencing flat out shameful, incompetent design. Decade-old hardware in a primarily $350 box is not necessary or even particularly beneficial in order to secure an aggressive profit margin, and having power trade-offs with the 360/PS3 architectures ensures bad press and unhappy port-buyers from the beginning, when upgraded current gen ports were very much part of the launch strategy. Fils-Aime has to run laughably dishonest damage control on a daily basis as part of this catastrophic failure to produce a technologically viable system -- again, at such a premium price point.

No worries, though. I'm sure soccer moms worldwide, with their iPads and Nexus 7s sitting on the coffee table, will be enthralled by the unique selling point of a living room tethered, two hour battery life, PDA-era resistive touch screen tablet controller.

Yet watch Nintendo still end up the market leader when all is said and done. At least on their consoles you can enjoy exclusive content. If you have access to an up to date gaming PC there is little point in owning the products from Sony or Microsoft.

I could be wrong, but I'm guessing you don't own a Wii U, Evilore.

 

[fallagin]

Background downloading.

???

 

[Freezie KO]

At this point, Nintendo hardware is the pill I have to swallow to get to play some of my favourite games.

Hardware is the pill anyone has to swallow to play games. Who actually gets off on hardware except tech geeks? You can't play hardware.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

I could be wrong, but I'm guessing you don't own a Wii U, Evilore.

He's holding out til Bayonetta 2.

 

[Twenty7KVN]

Yet watch Nintendo still end up the market leader when all is said and done. At least on their consoles you can enjoy exclusive content. If you have access to an up to date gaming PC there is little point in owning the products from Sony or Microsoft.

I could be wrong, but I'm guessing you don't own a Wii U, Evilore.

But you'll miss out on those nice Sony/Microsoft exclusives.

 

[Ryoku]

This thread is brutal, lol.

 

[metalslimer]

At least on their consoles you can enjoy exclusive content.

Oh lord dude just stop.

 

[sp3000]

Yet watch Nintendo still end up the market leader when all is said and done. At least on their consoles you can enjoy exclusive content. If you have access to an up to date gaming PC there is little point in owning the products from Sony or Microsoft.

I could be wrong, but I'm guessing you don't own a Wii U, Evilore.

Apple is the market leader.

And by this same reasoning, COD is the best game ever made because it sells well.

 

[darkistheway]

Why would I be shocked guys from Retro are happy with the Wii-U from developing ONLY on Wii? What exactly is the point you are trying to make?

You do know that there are plenty of people at Retro who have developed for the HD twins?

 

[Akkad]

Yet watch Nintendo still end up the market leader when all is said and done. At least on their consoles you can enjoy exclusive content. If you have access to an up to date gaming PC there is little point in owning the products from Sony or Microsoft.

I could be wrong, but I'm guessing you don't own a Wii U, Evilore.

Uncharted, Infamous, God of War are not on PC. Nice try though, I'm sure Reggie has your check in the mail.

 

[HAL_Laboratory]

He's basically saying that Retro's new game will be amazing.

It will be, but that wasn't my point. My point was, world-class developers don't care about specs. It's about what they can do with the hardware. They don't whine and cry about a lack of "power", they just make something badass.

 

[onQ123]

Yet watch Nintendo still end up the market leader when all is said and done. At least on their consoles you can enjoy exclusive content. If you have access to an up to date gaming PC there is little point in owning the products from Sony or Microsoft.

I could be wrong, but I'm guessing you don't own a Wii U, Evilore.

Say What?

 

[Mxrz]

Yet watch Nintendo still end up the market leader when all is said and done. At least on their consoles you can enjoy exclusive content. If you have access to an up to date gaming PC there is little point in owning the products from Sony or Microsoft.

Unless you're speaking from 2005, this is pretty absurd. Even then it'd still be silly.

Instead of shouting about lazy developers, I'm starting to think launch-game devs should be commended. There has to be something else going for this thing. The GPU can't even be drawing enough power to make up everything.

 

[Gahiggidy]

My five year old Mario loving son certainly will be when we open it on Christmas morning.

If I were giving a Wii U as a gift I'd prep it first.

Unbox, hook up, charge gamepad, do initial setup, download and install updates for all games, etc., then box it all back up. Once they open the wrapping paper it's ready to go.
Otherwise it's 1 PM on Christmas day and your impatient child is complaining that his new $350 toy isn't working and he doesn't want to go see Grandma until he plays Mario etc.

Yes, and make sure to make his Mii ahead of time... so the very first thing he see's when starting it up is himself in the middle of Mii Plaza and then the hundreds of other Miis running past him to gather around the game tiles.

 

[womp]

If I were giving a Wii U as a gift I'd prep it first.

Unbox, hook up, charge gamepad, do initial setup, download and install updates for all games, etc., then box it all back up. Once they open the wrapping paper it's ready to go.
Otherwise it's 1 PM on Christmas day and your impatient child is complaining that his new $350 toy isn't working and he doesn't want to go see Grandma until he plays Mario etc.

It won't be *that* bad. LOL

Yes, and make sure to make his Mii ahead of time... so the very first thing he see's when starting it up is himself in the middle of Mii Plaza and then the hundreds of other Miis running past him to gather around the game tiles.

He can make his own Mii, actually he'll just transfer it over from his 3DS.

 

[Takuya]

Yet watch Nintendo still end up the market leader when all is said and done. At least on their consoles you can enjoy exclusive content. If you have access to an up to date gaming PC there is little point in owning the products from Sony or Microsoft.

I could be wrong, but I'm guessing you don't own a Wii U, Evilore.

So, you're saying you can't enjoy exclusive content on Sony or Microsoft's platforms?

 

[sp3000]

You do know that there are plenty of people at Retro who have developed for the HD twins?

But Retro as a studio does not. Which means they have no relevance when it comes to how third parties will be attracted to the system.

I have more respect for studios like DICE, who have to deal with the constraints of multiple systems and optimize each one.

 

[LeleSocho]

Tell that to Capcom.

???

Yet watch Nintendo still end up the market leader when all is said and done. At least on their consoles you can enjoy exclusive content. If you have access to an up to date gaming PC there is little point in owning the products from Sony or Microsoft.

I could be wrong, but I'm guessing you don't own a Wii U, Evilore.

And people who just want to play and don't know/want to know nothing about the corporations should care because...?

The exclusive content is true for both ways, if you have only have a nintendo console you sure as hell won't have a lot of great games (actually you will lack more good games having only a nintendo console than having only one of the other)

 

[Ponn]

Come on. You can downscale everything. In the end you're just painting polygons. You can also reduce enemies, going down with frame rate etc. Of course, it's effort, I haven't denied that. I just said the decision is just a financial one. I didn't even say they will decide the one way or the other. That's what you were just assuming. I'm not participating in fanboy wars if you hoped for that.

No but you responded completely ignoring what happened to Wii last gen and are reducing down porting games to "just painting polygons" If it wasn't financially feasible last gen the point is there is absolutely nothing showing its feasible this gen.

 

[jerd]

Uncharted, Infamous, God of War are not on PC. Nice try though, I'm sure Reggie has your check in the mail.

Think of all the QTEs you're missing out on!


Edit: I'm just kidding by the way.

 

[Jackben]

We're experiencing flat out shameful, incompetent design. Decade-old hardware in a primarily $350 box is not necessary or even particularly beneficial in order to secure an aggressive profit margin, and having power trade-offs with the 360/PS3 architectures ensures bad press and unhappy port-buyers from the beginning, when upgraded current gen ports were very much part of the launch strategy. Fils-Aime has to run laughably dishonest damage control on a daily basis as part of this catastrophic failure to produce a technologically viable system -- again, at such a premium price point.

No worries, though. I'm sure soccer moms worldwide, with their iPads and Nexus 7s sitting on the coffee table, will be enthralled by the unique selling point of a living room tethered, two hour battery life, PDA-era resistive touch screen tablet controller.

you're looking at this all wrong. see, you're used to driving a ferrari. sure it's fast, exciting and leaves you with a smile on your face - but have you never thought of buying a minivan? why tear up the strip at 100mph when you can instead enjoy the piercing odour of your kids shitting their pants on the back seat while screaming at tinnitus inducing decibel levels as you hit the five mile daily tailback on the between daycare and your ex-wife's boyfriend's house?

you're just out of touch is all.

 

[Bisnic]

Yet watch Nintendo still end up the market leader when all is said and done. At least on their consoles you can enjoy exclusive content. If you have access to an up to date gaming PC there is little point in owning the products from Sony or Microsoft.

I could be wrong, but I'm guessing you don't own a Wii U, Evilore.

I only have a Wii U and gaming PC, and you're completely wrong.

There is a lot of games being released only on 360 and PS3.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

Yet watch Nintendo still end up the market leader when all is said and done. At least on their consoles you can enjoy exclusive content. If you have access to an up to date gaming PC there is little point in owning the products from Sony or Microsoft.

I could be wrong, but I'm guessing you don't own a Wii U, Evilore.

Because Nintendo is the only platform holder that makes exclusive first-party games amirite?

 

[Mastperf]

It will be, but that wasn't my point. My point was, world-class developers don't care about specs. It's about what they can do with the hardware. They don't whine and cry about a lack of "power", they just make something badass.

That's quite a unique point of view you have there.

 

[suavelicious]

Yes, and make sure to make his Mii ahead of time... so the very first thing he see's when starting it up is himself in the middle of Mii Plaza and then the hundreds of other Miis running past him to gather around the game tiles.

what a magical moment that would be

 

[CosmicGroinPull]

Hardware is the pill anyone has to swallow to play games. Who actually gets off on hardware except tech geeks? You can't play hardware.

But hardware play games.... geddit? Geddit?

 

[metalslimer]

if you have only have a nintendo console you sure as hell won't have a lot of great games

The hyperbole in this thread from everyone is like reading gamefaqs

 

[fallagin]

It will be, but that wasn't my point. My point was, world-class developers don't care about specs. It's about what they can do with the hardware. They don't whine and cry about a lack of "power", they just make something badass.

People porting games over are going to have a hard time seeing it that way.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

It will be, but that wasn't my point. My point was, world-class developers don't care about specs. It's about what they can do with the hardware. They don't whine and cry about a lack of "power", they just make something badass.

Yeah, I know.

And that was my point initially.

I don't care what Retro has to SAY about the system, I care what they make for it.

People seem to think this console is very limited but time will tell.

Games built from the ground up should be very remarkable.

 

[Mastperf]

Yet watch Nintendo still end up the market leader when all is said and done. At least on their consoles you can enjoy exclusive content. If you have access to an up to date gaming PC there is little point in owning the products from Sony or Microsoft.

I could be wrong, but I'm guessing you don't own a Wii U, Evilore.

And if you have an xbox 360 and/or ps3 there's very little reason to own a WiiU right now.

 

[Akkad]

???


And people who just want to play and don't know/want to know nothing about the society should care because...?

The exclusive content is true for both ways, if you have only have a nintendo console you sure as hell won't have a lot of great games

You'll miss out Mario Golf, Mario Tennis, Mario Party, Mario Baseball, Mario Kart, Zelda, Mario RPG, Mario and Sonic.

 

[drspeedy]

I think drinky is broken.

hahaha. This one got me

I feel so old now, when I was 5 my Christmas present was the NES.

But man, that first update took days to load at 14.4kbps

 

[lwilliams3]

Exactly. The GPU can't even make up for much cause its super bad too. I mean I have a better GPU in my year old laptop then the 4650.

The Wii U's GPU has been customized from its base, as even Arkam's info hints at. In addition, the eDRAM for the GPU alone will improve GPGPU functionality. Truth is that we don't know efficent the GPU is. If we look at clockspeeds, though, it is obvious the system is VERY GPU-focused, and it should be designed to tackle a lot of tasks that current-gen consoles weren't designed to do.

 

[Ty4on]

We're experiencing flat out shameful, incompetent design. Decade-old hardware in a primarily $350 box is not necessary or even particularly beneficial in order to secure an aggressive profit margin, and having power trade-offs with the 360/PS3 architectures ensures bad press and unhappy port-buyers from the beginning, when upgraded current gen ports were very much part of the launch strategy. Fils-Aime has to run laughably dishonest damage control on a daily basis as part of this catastrophic failure to produce a technologically viable system -- again, at such a premium price point.

No worries, though. I'm sure soccer moms worldwide, with their iPads and Nexus 7s sitting on the coffee table, will be enthralled by the unique selling point of a living room tethered, two hour battery life, PDA-era resistive touch screen tablet controller.

The CPU is pretty horrible, but I guess that's the price for backwards compatibility with Wii games. Modern CPUs would probably have been cheaper and better with a similar TDP. Wonder how much they can get out of the GPU which looks pretty decent. Remember this is still a 300$ device with a low TDP, it can't be like a desktop 7970 or even a 7770.

The touch screen though is just a big facepalm. I'm one of the three people on this planet using a resistive touch screen phone, it's nice using the nails for typing, not so much when I'm still much more accurate on a smaller iOS keyboard.