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[Sykra]

Quite an amazing device, PC streaming with zero latency is the seller here. Pricing will be interesting.

 

[Durante]

So the dream of 16ms for 60fps isn't dead yet?

I think it's ~ 2 frames (at 60 FPS) just as I expected.

That's good enough for me on a controller for most games. Probably won't play any shmups on it though!

 

[1-D_FTW]

I think it's ~ 2 frames (at 60 FPS) just as I expected.

That's good enough for me on a controller for most games. Probably won't play any shmups on it though!

Yeah. I can live with that. Controller centric gaming tends to be pretty relaxed and tolerant of lag anyways. 32ms is acceptable.

 

[guek]

This thing sounds pretty awesome. If only I could have any confidence in its future game library :-(

 

[Peterthumpa]

You guys are crazy. For the graphics whores out there, games with 4xAA @ 720p on this thing will look bloddy glorious.

Even constrained by playing at home, I can see myself gaming on this thing quite a lot.

Day one.

 

[Zuhzuhzombie!!]

Ok. I'm started putting some money aside to a GPU upgrade and this bad boy. Steambox and PS4 need to be something really awe inspiring now.

Wouldn't this make the Steambox redundant (assuming both devices live up to their potential)?

 

[HoosTrax]

I think it's ~ 2 frames (at 60 FPS) just as I expected.

That's good enough for me on a controller for most games. Probably won't play any shmups on it though!

I don't think I can play shmups on a controller anyway. On all of the ones I have, I do better with mouse controls. I just can't deal with the deadzone on analog sticks and arcade sticks.

Wouldn't this make the Steambox redundant (assuming both devices live up to their potential)?

This thing isn't compatible with SteamBox unless Nvidia releases Linux drivers, or you install Win 7 on the SteamBox. Also depends on what GPU they use in SteamBox.

 

[grimshawish]

bloddy glorious.

Its okay on the 5" screen people won't notice your spelling mistake.

 

[Zizbuka]

So an Android tablet with an Xbox controller? No doubt the only place you could find that combo.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

To be honest I am interested.

I'm on wait and see mode.

 

[iavi]

This is a pretty good move by Nvidia; I'm going with AMD this gen of GPUs, but if this really delivers on promise, I'll seriously consider switching to Nvidia a gen or two from now, and buy one of these to go along with it.

 

[Pimpbaa]

Engadget hands-on

http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/07/nvidia-project-shield-hands-on/

Xbox 360 gamepad's curves and the PlayStation 3 DualShock 3's unfortunate analog stick placement

DualShock 3-esque placement of those analog sticks isn't helping either, but sadly that doesn't look like it's changing

Keep your wrong opinions about stick placement to yourself engadget!

 

[Durante]

You guys are crazy. For the graphics whores out there, games with 4xAA @ 720p on this thing will look bloddy glorious.

Even constrained by playing at home, I can see myself gaming on this thing quite a lot.

Day one.

4xAA? Hah! If it's streamed from a PC try dowsampling! I do hope NV lets you downsample from a higher rendering resolution to 720p before encoding. Should only take a few microseconds anyway.

So an Android tablet with an Xbox controller? No doubt the only place you could find that combo.

So someone who hasn't even read the OP? No doubt the only place you could find that poster.

Keep your wrong opinions about stick placement to yourself engadget!

Indeed.

 

[Dictator93]

Keep your wrong opinions about stick placement to yourself engadget!

would it hurt that much though to offer to variations of it? systemmtrical and assymtrical sticks?

 

[Hoo-doo]

This is going to bomb so hard, it'll be hilarious to watch.

 

[SpinningBirdKick]

The gaming market continues to fragment.

This isn't going to end well for consumers, developers, publishers or platform holders.

 

[Durante]

would it hurt that much though to offer to variations of it? systemmtrical and assymtrical sticks?

Well, if you look at this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9edRfTn1hzQ
This thing is pretty damn full.

The gaming market continues to fragment.

This doesn't fragment anything. It's a device for playing games of existing platforms (PC and Android), not a new platform.

 

[Shadow2222]

So I take it that I won't be able to stream PC games because I have an AMD graphics card?

 

[1-D_FTW]

This is going to bomb so hard, it'll be hilarious to watch.

The numbers will never get posted. And just like 3D Vision, if it turns out to be an awesome product, nobody using it will ever care how niche it is.

 

[CDX]

Seems like it could be.

Last night when I saw this I thought of it primarily as an android game player / physical controller with secondary PC streaming capabilities that were probably laggy.

Now that more people are looking into the PC streaming aspect. It seems like Nvidia is in the unique position, as long as you have the right Nvidia GPU in your PC to offer PC streaming that can rival the low latency of the Wii U gamepad.

Now I'm thinking it could be an awesome PC streamer with a secondary feature of also being an android game player/controller.

exactly, last night I was like lol I don't want this thing.

Now on the other hand

Ok, I downloaded it. Frame-stepping through it, I see exactly 1 frame of (30 FPS) latency between the monitor and Shield in that video. So that's <= 33ms.

Maybe that should be added to the OP, since it's a real demonstration of the hardware to a third party and not just some marketing number.

Ok. I'm started putting some money aside to a GPU upgrade and this bad boy. Steambox and PS4 need to be something really awe inspiring now.

yeah, I think I'm going to start saving for a new nvidia GPU.

 

[quest]

So I take it that I won't be able to stream PC games because I have an AMD graphics card?

You are correct.

 

[Durante]

The numbers will never get posted. And just like 3D Vision, if it turns out to be an awesome product, nobody using it will ever care how niche it is.

Pretty much.

The thing is, even more so than 3D vision, its success on the mainstream market has no bearing at all on how useful this device is to owners. That's completely different from any new console platform out there.

 

[Zuhzuhzombie!!]

This thing isn't compatible with SteamBox unless Nvidia releases Linux drivers, or you install Win 7 on the SteamBox. Also depends on what GPU they use in SteamBox.

yeah, thinking about it, the only way SteamBox would make this redundant would be if the SteamBox ran Windows, which probably won't be the case.

 

[walking fiend]

I think your logo design is much better than that abomination

 

[pfkas]

It's not going to bomb in my house. This has got me wetter than an otter's pocket.

 

[Satchel]

Not sure ow I feel about this thing.

It's specs are nice, but they seem wasted given the games it'll be running.

It takes the Xbox shitty dpad and the Playstation shitty analog stick layout and throws them into one controller? Ugh.

 

[Pimpbaa]

Well, if you look at this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9edRfTn1hzQ
This thing is pretty damn full.

A big ass heatsink and li-ion cells (it's 2013, who the hell uses li-ion cells anymore?) No wonder the bottom is so big. They really should work on a better cooling solution and use lipos to slim it down.

 

[grimshawish]

It takes the Xbox shitty dpad and the Playstation shitty analog stick layout and throws them into one controller? Ugh.

I'm saying this now. If Microsoft bring out a good d-pad I will buy a 720.
Because I will support the push back against that piece of shit that never fucking picks up the feedback I want.

Microsoft probably know its shit, I have no fucking idea why everyone is pretending it should somehow be standard. Then again this thing looks awfully designed.

Its a bit of a shame that its a device that will be like an Atari console.
Android will move on and then what? This device last until Nvidia bring out the next Tegra.
Its also got the issue of only getting games meant for a wider market.

One positive could be that 3D Android gaming does not solely use 3D as a visual gimmick.

 

[kitch9]

The gaming market continues to fragment.

This isn't going to end well for consumers, developers, publishers or platform holders.

How is it fragmenting more than it is already? There will be lots of other Tegra 4 devices other than this one, and you'll still be able to play the games you where always going to be able to play.

 

[Quadraphonic]

Fragmenting. Just like Tiger LCD games fragmented the handheld market.

 

[Ryoma-Echizen]

So, what is this thing actually running? Android developers aren't going to do anything exclusively for chips past the Tegra 3 (since that's what the Galaxy S3 is packing, and that's the biggest name in Android right now.). And a Tegra chip for PC gaming is laughable.

Tegra is dead, Galaxy is using a Exynos platform + mali mp* gpu.

 

[GhostTrick]

As I said, I see nothing interesting in this thing. The streaming part could be done on any Android device. So except if this thing could emulate Dreamcast/PS2/Gamecube, there's no interest.

 

[HoosTrax]

From Kotaku:

The technology is nifty, but there's no indication that it will be exclusive to the Shield. In demoing the Grid last night, Nvidia showed a game being streamed to an Asus Transformer tablet. They talked about any device being able to handle the process. If any device can handle that process, surely it can handle the same PC streaming the Shield can, knocking off another selling point.

I hope we see some non-reference designs.

 

[Durante]

No, it's "fragmenting" like having PCs from Dell, Alienware and HP fragments the PC market.

 

[JB1981]

Wouldn't be caught dead in public with that thing

 

[Durante]

As I said, I see nothing interesting in this thing. The streaming part could be done on any Android device.

Please show me another Android device that can (not could) Stream my PC games and offers a full controller layout and I'll place my order right this second.

 

[GhostTrick]

From Kotaku:

I hope we see some non-reference designs.

That means Tegra 3 tablet could do the streaming stuff ? Good.

 

[GhostTrick]

Please show me another Android device that can (not could) Stream my PC games and offers a full controller layout and I'll place my order right this second.

Tegra 3 phone + PowerA MOGA or Dualshock 3 with Gameklip.
Or Chinese Android console with streaming application.

Time to place your order ?

 

[Durante]

Tegra 3 phone + PowerA MOGA or Dualshock 3 with Gameklip.
Or Chinese Android console with streaming application.

Time to place your order ?

Those clip things look terrible. A separate controller is not my idea of hand-held. And where is that fabled application that allows me to do a 720p stream with <32ms latency to my Tegra 3 device (I actually have one!), while using it to control my PC games?

 

[GhostTrick]

Those clip things look terrible. A separate controller is not my idea of hand-held. And where is the application that allows me to do a 720p stream with <32ms latency to my Tegra 3 device (I actually have one!), while using it to control my PC games?

Well I think I could tell you after tomorrow, since I'm in the mood to try a lot of applications for my Tegra 3 device too.

EDIT: It sounds to work: http://www.droidgamers.com/index.ph...android-tablet-using-dolphin-and-splashtop-hd Now for the framerate, I dunno if it's:
1. That dude's computer which can't run Dolphin at fullspeed.
2. The application which could stream with low framerate.



Also, separate controller like this sounds a better thing:

 

[Durante]

That looks like it does 5 FPS with about 200 ms lag (I'm not even exaggerating).

No external application can compete in latency with an Nvidia's driver-level control on PC.

 

[PaNaMa]

Egads:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=CdiOCIVLSds#t=494s

Look at the cables coming out the back of this thing.

 

[Madouu]

I don't see how anyone can really complain about a new offer on the market. I followed the reveal yesterday and it seemed interesting. It won't be for me for now since the money I've got is going into devices that have their own exclusive games, but if I were richer I'd definitely get this. I'll have to settle for gaming on my PC for now.

I wish it was something that would work with any computer though (and not limited to a specific line of nvidia chips and higher) but that's not a very realistic wish.

 

[RoadHazard]

Regarding emulation: With A15 cores, this should be the most capable portable emulation machine you can buy. I'd say everything up to PS1 generation is fair game.

I wonder if it will be easy to root or at least sideload applications though.

Don't know about root (although that will definitely happen once the XDA folks get their hands on it), but sideloading apps should be as easy as turning that option on in the Android settings. Nvidia is saying that this thing is running pure Android with no skin or any crap like that added to it (just Tegra Zone, but that's like a separate app), and there will be no carriers interfering with it (they are the reason some Android phones have app sideloading disabled - on unlocked Android phones you can always do it).

 

[Durante]

Don't know about root (although that will definitely happen once the XDA folks get their hands on it), but sideloading apps should be as easy as turning that option on in the Android settings. Nvidia is saying that this thing is running pure Android with no skin or any crap like that added to it (just Tegra Zone, but that's like a separate app), and there will be no carriers interfering with it (they are the reason some Android phones have app sideloading disabled - on unlocked Android phones you can always do it).

Yeah, I think sideloading shouldn't be an issue. Which is great news for the emulator folks.

 

[CaptainZombie]

Well I think I could tell you after tomorrow, since I'm in the mood to try a lot of applications for my Tegra 3 device too.

EDIT: It sounds to work: http://www.droidgamers.com/index.ph...android-tablet-using-dolphin-and-splashtop-hd Now for the framerate, I dunno if it's:
1. That dude's computer which can't run Dolphin at fullspeed.
2. The application which could stream with low framerate.



Also, separate controller like this sounds a better thing:

I've seen something like this at Toys R Us being displayed.

 

[mkenyon]

Thank you Durante for the great breakdowns. It really helps to disseminate a lot of the info that is out there. Sounds like this could be the real deal.

 

[Durante]

Thank you Durante for the great breakdowns. It really helps to disseminate a lot of the info that is out there. Sounds like this could be the real deal.

Thanks. I'm just happy that my earlier estimations for the lag were more or less confirmed by the Engadget video. Before that, just because it's possible for them to do low-latency streaming didn't necessarily mean anything about what they actually achieved.

 

[xJavonta]

I'll keep my iPad, phone, Vita and 3DS, thanks. This thing is so bulky looking and runs Android so yeah, no.

 

[Norml]

Looks way too big having a normal size controller stuck to it.