Ah. Then, do you think it looked anything like what I described?
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Ah. Then, do you think it looked anything like what I described?
zomgbbqftw
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Yes, but not as bad as the GS3.
Alright, thanks! Still looking forward to trying this one out. Too bad a mere mortal like me has no other option than to wait for it to hit stores and try it out there.
So I'm going to get the One, S4 didn't impress me and the average reviews for the Xperia z combined with its fingerprint magnet back means its a no go.
I'm leaning towards the black model, silver looks like a bit of a mishmash with the silver body, white frame and black power button....
I'm leaning towards the black model, silver looks like a bit of a mishmash with the silver body, white frame and black power button....
Genesis Knight
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What do you prefer about the One over the S4? Build quality?
Build quality, screen, sense 5 looks better then touchwiz
You are not familiar with the absolute hubris of the big three Korean chaebols (Side Rant: it really should be anglicized as "jae-bol," but apparently whoever anglicized Korean words was either deaf or European e.g. "Park" actually sounds like "Bach").
We have a weird corporate governance structure in South Korea where the Chairman's word is law, even if the Board disagrees with him. Why? Because all these company subsidiaries are held by family members, and the Chairman is the...patriarch. You have situations where the Chairman will (legally) have a minority share in 20 companies but is still making merge decisions independently.
It's effectively an aristocratic system, which is where that word "chaebol" comes from. It's what peasants called the upper class.
It's very bizarre and insular. Japan by comparison is incredibly western because there's much less of a focus on the nuclear family there.
Anyways, is Samsung's confirmation of a Tizen flagship really the first time we've had any of the big manufacturers delivering on an international Tizen device?
SirMossyBloke
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He's still right. Touchwiz has always looked bad.
In terms of features and ease of use, I would say Touchwiz is the best, even better then stock maybe but I still think it looks ugly. Sense 5 from what I have seen just looks nicer.
Not that it matters much, I'm sure I will root it and install CM11 when KLP comes out
zomgbbqftw
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Alien vs Predator. Whoever wins, we lose.
The Faceless Master
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nah, there's a definitive winner.
things would OBVIOUSLY be worse of the Xenomorphs won.
Guess this confirms the Note 3 to have a 6.3" screen
Yeah I saw that.... insane.
OriginalThinking
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I'm not sure what it is I'm not supposed to be getting. I'm well aware that HTC and Sony aren't Samsung or vice versa. It's not really about me not getting it, it's about Samsung not getting it. Samsung are the ones who have come out and said they want to beat Apple on their own turf. But whilst they stick with plastic materials on their flagship device, it just won't happen. And it certainly won't work with presentations like that. Apple and the iPhone have a brand that signifies a lot. It's an aspirational brand. Expensive. Unique. Special. Designer. That's why Apple are so highly regarded. For all you can criticize their business practices, Apple make gorgeous hardware. Be it Mac's, iPhones... the build quality says as much about the company as the software. When the two are combined you create a product that very few can match. Apple pride themselves on attention to detail.
Now Samsung want to take on Apple on their own patch. That's fine. Samsung have world class software in Jellybean. They have world class internals, but to really dent Apple they need world class design. That is not to say that Samsung's plastic isn't robust. Or that it's less likely to break than a Nexus 4 for example. But people understand that precious things are more vulnerable and treat them accordingly. Your crystal glass might shatter more than a plastic cup, but that doesn't mean you want every utensil to be plastic. I don't doubt that Samsung with the right motivation could create a handset with the kind of industrial design to match the quality of the software and internals. Ally that to better marketing (Apple's marketing is light years better than Samsung) and Samsung might have a chance. Samsung disappoint me because every year they have the chance to blow me away with something beautiful, but every year I come away disappointed. Don't get me wrong, the phone will sell shitloads, but with better design it could sell more, and it might actually feel special. And more than any other Android vendor they have the resources to do it. So with Samsung I feel like it's a missed opportunity. Which is why I want Sony and HTC to have good years, to make Samsung stop and think about their design and come out with something truly special. This isn't because I'm a fanboy of any one vendor, it's because I'm a fan of smart phones and Android in general. Android has pushed screen size, ram and processors on vastly in the last few years, but hasn't really pushed design until recently. For me Apple still make the best hardware, but HTC have really stepped it up with the One as have Sony with the Z. I'm still waiting for Samsung to up that part of their game. Until then Apple will reign supreme for premium smart phones in America. Guess we'll have proof enough very soon.
cuevas. PhD.
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What gifs?
Anyway I'm excited now more for the x phone (poor me on Verizon?). I think I'm going to get a One though :\
You have glass utensils?
I agree
Or better yet, both can coexist. Corporate tribalism engendered my competitive products is absolutely insane.
Apple draws users based on its ecosystem (the App Store, iTunes, iMessage, iCal), its hardware design (tightly controlled, high quality machined pieces of hardware) and, yes, its brand messaging. The company's always drawn hardcore geeks that create their own Automation routines in OS X as well as the more casual users that are empowered by very simple software.
Samsung provides a counterpoint to that. Its ecosystem is buoyed by the Android experience, and it differentiates itself with all the Nature UI and S systems. They have features that are certainly unique compared to Android competitors and, frankly, they show really well in ads. Is the group speaker feature going to be useful at all? Probably not but that's something that Samsung will crow about and say, "Exclusive to Samsung Galaxy!"
The hardware is a real counterpoint to Apple. I can't recall a single piece of Samsung advertisement where they focus on the design of it. Their focus is: this screen is large, look at our unique features, and this isn't Apple. Compare this to Motorola and HTC's ads. Motorola's Droid ads are SPEC, SPEC, SPEC. The Droid M was the one ad that got away from this. HTC's ads have always been lifestyle advertisements. "Look, I'm an artist, and HTC gets me." Not hard to see why that didn't pan out.
We've seen a movement in hardware design to tightly, enclosed hardware a la Apple from HTC (and Nokia of course). I have to wonder if that's actually the wrong way to go about it. I feel like the people that want that hardware are more likely to be drawn to the iPhone. Of course, HTC's differentiation is going to be "Look at our big screen!," but we'll see how the One performs now that it will be on all four carriers.
Samsung is the one company that hasn't tried to play on Apple's turf when it comes to hardware. Maybe that's the right thing to do?
Apple draws users based on its ecosystem (the App Store, iTunes, iMessage, iCal), its hardware design (tightly controlled, high quality machined pieces of hardware) and, yes, its brand messaging. The company's always drawn hardcore geeks that create their own Automation routines in OS X as well as the more casual users that are empowered by very simple software.
Samsung provides a counterpoint to that. Its ecosystem is buoyed by the Android experience, and it differentiates itself with all the Nature UI and S systems. They have features that are certainly unique compared to Android competitors and, frankly, they show really well in ads. Is the group speaker feature going to be useful at all? Probably not but that's something that Samsung will crow about and say, "Exclusive to Samsung Galaxy!"
The hardware is a real counterpoint to Apple. I can't recall a single piece of Samsung advertisement where they focus on the design of it. Their focus is: this screen is large, look at our unique features, and this isn't Apple. Compare this to Motorola and HTC's ads. Motorola's Droid ads are SPEC, SPEC, SPEC. The Droid M was the one ad that got away from this. HTC's ads have always been lifestyle advertisements. "Look, I'm an artist, and HTC gets me." Not hard to see why that didn't pan out.
We've seen a movement in hardware design to tightly, enclosed hardware a la Apple from HTC (and Nokia of course). I have to wonder if that's actually the wrong way to go about it. I feel like the people that want that hardware are more likely to be drawn to the iPhone. Of course, HTC's differentiation is going to be "Look at our big screen!," but we'll see how the One performs now that it will be on all four carriers.
Samsung is the one company that hasn't tried to play on Apple's turf when it comes to hardware. Maybe that's the right thing to do?
Well said. I kept hoping that this would be the year for Samsung to turn the GS4 into something that's highly desirable/premium like their smart TVs. It isn't even about cheap plastics or glass materials. You CAN make a plastic phone look nice (like some of the GS2 variants) but the GS3/4 definitely aren't it. It's like they intentionally built it to be ugly with the tacky gloss and nasty colors - I don't know if they could have picked an uglier shade of purple (excuse me, blue) for the S3.
I keep hoping that someday Samsung hires 20 UI experts to clean up their skin but it's always the same ugly TouchWiz with the most cobbled together user experience ever. At least HTC and Sony actually invest in hardware/software design... I hope more people do buy the One/Z/ZL over the S4. I would really hate to see everyone's impression of Google/Android be represented by Samsung. There's no reason Samsung can't make a good phone that's also good looking. I just don't think they have any incentive to.
Battersea Power Station
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I'm not liking all the Touchwiz love here. I smell an Android |OT| and Touchwiz |OT| in the future.
zomgbbqftw
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No, we should adopt the Amazonites if anything!
What hate? The One X is the most praised hardware on this forum that nobody actually bought.
Sense gets an equal amount of shit as every other OEM modification of Android.
-Pyromaniac-
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I hated on HTC before the One was announced but I've pretty much said almost nothing but nice things since. But lets be real here, Sense still sucks, the button placement is whack, the battery could be better, and the ultra pixel experiment while commendable didn't exactly work out the way they intended. A solid pickup for anybody, but not much more than that. It's pretty though.
The Faceless Master
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i'm a fan of smartphones in general and can only pray for Samsung's continued success precisely because they're doing exactly what you don't want them to do. i mean, if they can make a quote PREMIUM unquote device and still retain the removable battery and sd slot while also not having the issues of denting, scuffing and chipping that other quote PREMIUM unquote devices have, then that would be lovely, but the material choices in those quote PREMIUM unquote devices preclude that as a reasonable possibility. EVERYONE ELSE IS ALEADY TRYING AND FAILING TO BE "MORE LIKE" APPLE!!! Samsung is being different in every way except ... success.
for me, Apple, HTC and Sony make gimmick shells, just like expensive crystal, something not designed for normal everyday usage, give me the plastic cup 6 days out of 7, and while i have many interchangeable sets of tableware of various prices and quality levels, i only have one current mobile handset. if you had 1 cup every 2 years, would you really get the crystal one?
i like the ZL though. and the G Pro.
Nailed it. The One isn't going to change anything for HTC sadly.
ThatObviousUser
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Purge the non-Nexusites from the thread. Shun the nonbelievers!
Agreed. We need a separate Android thread for Nexus owners. (Purists) lol
The Faceless Master
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what? people looooooved the One X, i dunno why, but they did. and people are falling all over the one, going as far as taking outlier claims on camera quality as gospel, talking up the boomsound and acting like HTC LCD is the thing to beat. it's even winning a poll on Android Central!
SirMossyBloke
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what? people looooooved the One X, i dunno why, but they did. and people are falling all over the one, going as far as taking outlier claims on camera quality as gospel, talking up the boomsound and acting like HTC LCD is the thing to beat. it's even winning a poll on Android Central!
Well then maaaaybe it is the better phone. Oh god, the HORROR!
zomgbbqftw
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Nailed it.
Samsung offer a lot more than HTC ever have, and Sony have started down that path also, with waterproof features etc...
-Pyromaniac-
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It's all about the X phone now guys. You can choose how much RAM the phone has to fit your tastes!
SirMossyBloke
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No they havent. Other than built in translation (which apparently is already possible on other phones), a finger waving no-touch feature and some eye tracking, it does what other high end devices can do.
Things such as the IR blaster and deleting people from photos is already on other devices. Plus, Samsung has already gone on record to say a lot of the new features are going to be on the S3 also.
-Pyromaniac-
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that's not really true. Samsung phones have features in touchwiz that are better than most stock features like multiwindow. And s health is actually pretty impressive as far as the gimmicky s-features. What else...the camera is going to be better than pretty much all the other android phones, they fit a 5 inch display on a device the same size, HTC somehow got bigger with a smaller screen. And also it'll have really great dev support just because it's the most popular phone there is. Oh and the battery is above all other android phones not from motorola.
I said it before but the thing that places samsung above the rest CURRENTLY is that they offer a total package (though Sony is getting better at this recently, and even LG to an extent, not quite there yet though). They don't really skimp on anything except materials whereas other devices are like "oh the screen is good but camera and battery life are iffy" or "battery life is great but screen suxx", etc...
SirMossyBloke
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It would certainly be interesting when websites do direct comparisons.
I can see some obvious wins for Samsung. The battery life and speed of the phone. Possibly the camera but it may lose on low light pictures. As for the rest, pretty up in the air as far as I can tell.
zomgbbqftw
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Battery life and screen are a win for Samsung, the camera will be better in every area except low light, since it uses the same module as the Xperia Z.
It's also smaller and lighter and generally a much better device. The only area in which the HTC One wins is design, but if you are buying on design then the Xperia Z is better IMO as it is waterproof which is more important where I live than speakers.
can someone running Cyanogenmod 10.1 tell me if they have patched the ridiculous AOSP vibration behaviour in 4.2?
its supposedly a 'feature' of 4.2 AOSP that any sound alerts vibrate when the phone is in vibrate mode, regardless of whether you have vibration disabled for that alert.
but the implementation is also broken, so that setting your gmail notifications to silent means they don't vibrate (the 'correct' behaviour), whilst the non-gmail email app still vibrates EVERY TIME YOU RECEIVE AN EMAIL, regardless of what you do with the settings.
this actually makes the phone close to unusable for me on 4.2, since I need to access my exchange email, but I get a lot of email and tend to leave my phone in vibrate mode.
its supposedly a 'feature' of 4.2 AOSP that any sound alerts vibrate when the phone is in vibrate mode, regardless of whether you have vibration disabled for that alert.
but the implementation is also broken, so that setting your gmail notifications to silent means they don't vibrate (the 'correct' behaviour), whilst the non-gmail email app still vibrates EVERY TIME YOU RECEIVE AN EMAIL, regardless of what you do with the settings.
this actually makes the phone close to unusable for me on 4.2, since I need to access my exchange email, but I get a lot of email and tend to leave my phone in vibrate mode.
The Faceless Master
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indeed, things are way better than last year
in what dimension is a full screen being a full screen anything but a win?
Come on faceless, no one's saying Samsung has to seal the battery and go all glass. They've already made better looking plastic phones before. Hell, just making the S3 matte and with the S2's less slippery plastics would instantly make it better.
I think most people are just saying, with Samsung's huge success, they can afford to clean up their hardware and software design. No one's asking them to start sealing the battery and stop developing motion features.
The ZL and Nexus 7 aren't glass/titanium/aluminum/whatever and they're both great looking devices.
-Pyromaniac-
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I just saw the new article from them. lol pctx come on you have to comment on it. I mean custom made smartphone?
they said the back touch thing was real, which PCTX hinted at.
The Faceless Master
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have they ever been right?
-Pyromaniac-
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they have been right every now and then, but they've also been very wrong. They even had to put up an apology for being misled a while ago. Which makes it even weirder that they are doubling down on the so far most ridiculous X phone rumour, and that's saying a lot!
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