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Okay, TeamCG. Come own up to your foolishness. #trolljima
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The way I see it is this. When it's accepted Joakim is real there's no harm done for Team Real and if for some completely bonkers reason it turns out he was CG all along we all get to benefit from some great new cutting edge tech. Sadly Team CG are going to look like a right bunch of mugs when they come round to the truth. Oh how the Crow flies.
Every time an interview takes place, I am going to create a thread about it being "potentially" CG.
Yves Guillemot? CG.
Shigeru Miyamoto? The first CG.
Michael Ancel? Good god, they recreate the model every time he's interviewed. Seriously, go back and look at it. The man doesn't look the same in any two interviews. CG.
Yves Guillemot? CG.
Shigeru Miyamoto? The first CG.
Michael Ancel? Good god, they recreate the model every time he's interviewed. Seriously, go back and look at it. The man doesn't look the same in any two interviews. CG.
toddhunter
Member
You can see the light in the shadows that don't get cast onto the screen during the interview.
Do you envision a scenario where someone is going to address that the interview wasn't done in CG?
It's such an absurd thing. Why would anyone acknowledge crazy people. It makes you seem crazy as well.
The only one that could ever say it would be Rohan (The guy who filmed it) and Geoff and they wouldn't be trusted because "they are in on the conspiracy."
When the FOX Engine is demoed on next-gen systems and the quality for the head models and animation isn't anywhere near the level of this interview, there will still be people saying "that doesn't prove that the earlier interview wasn't done on EVEN BETTER HARDWARE"
But if it turns out to be CG, Team Real will be the ones who got fooled by Kojima & Co.
lazer_bean
Member
you say there is a decent amount of clues but you seem to be digging for some in the second part of your post. If a decent amount of clues gathered together only "suggests it could be" something, they're just not that conclusive
i think both teams are ridiculous because it's all based on impressions, rather than facts. So no one knows for sure (in the sense that they can prove it) and nobody's right / wrong.
however, the only reason why you guys are in a "team" is because you want to brag about being right (in the event you would be) once we find out the truth.
We need to send a real life Snake to sneak in and find out the secrets.
WrenchNinja
Member
After decades of Kojima's trolling, why do you find it so hard to BELIEVE, TeamReal?
That sounds a little biased. There is nothing wrong with having hype in the video game industry. Games are supposed to be fun. Hype for video games is fun.
Cynicism is NOT fun. People casting judgement on people who try to have some fun with gaming are the real crazies here.
The One Who Knocks
Member
There are three prominent theories:
-The interview is entirely CG (the image posted in this case would simply be of an actor dressed up to look like the 'entirely CG' character).
-The interview is entirely real (the image posted in this case would simply be of the actor dressed up as 'Joakim Mogren').
-The interview is a hybrid of CG and an actor (the image posted in this case would simply be of the actor that appears in some segments of the interview).
The main items that are causing a belief in it being a hybrid or entirely CG are:
-Kojima's behind this (this is a very important part in the creation of this madness).
-The interview is editted in an odd fashion, giving minimum screen time to Joakim Mogren with quick cuts.
-Every image and .gif is being analysed so thoroughly that any 'flaws' become far more visible than they do in the video; the reaction .gif has probably been watched by countless times by certain people looking for any sort of give-away that can be found.
-The light in the eyes supposedly are fixed.
-The white in the eye is 'too white' (I don't know if this was just a joke but, oh well).
-The actor/CG character has the majority of his face obscured. The Fox Engine's most noticeable flaws are the ears, the hair and, in some places, the skin.
-There is a precedent for "Which is real, which is fake" images in relation to the Fox Engine.
- The upcoming GDC presentation with regards to the Fox Engine is about "photorealism through the eyes of a fox". This interview would serve as a demonstration of that 'photorealism'; that is that the revelation would be that 'people couldn't even tell what was CG and what was real!' to demonstrate how impressive the Fox Engine actually is.
-The half blink at the end in the reaction .gif being unnatural.
-The flickering shadow in the same .gif.
-The shirts movement being 'too fluid' in the afforementioned .gif.
-The movement seems off.
-His eyes are kept closed for a significant portion of the interview and his mouth does not open much to reveal his tongue (or lack of a tongue).
-The interview is short with the majority of his head hidden and only his head present during the actual interview to reduce the amount of areas on him that had to be perfected.
-The major components of the Fox Engine that have been demonstrated are the rendering of faces, lighting, and see-through apparel; all of which are present in the interview.
-It's not possible to hold your nose and speak with your mouth shut (I can't tell if this is actually a joke or not).
These all have a large amount of responses with regard to the interview being real:
-The primary argument is that these flaws are revealing themselves only through over-analysis.
-The picture posted proves that there was an actor involved.
-People are only being crazy due to Kojima.
-Nowhere has achieved such level of photo-realistic graphics before, it makes no sense for the Fox Engine to be capable of this. Even the "Meet Emily" video uses a wire mesh and is not as realistic (this is a major argument).
-The idea that it is CG sounds like madness.
-The reaction at the end is merely badly acted and is humour in reference to the 'slip' that the game is on the Fox Engine.
-The reasoning for the oddly cut interview is because it likely occured in two seperate locations (I think this has some flaws in that, the picture Geoff posted, and the interview itself, implies that they are together in the same room). Alternatively, it's to assist in taking an obviously staged interview.
-The flickering in the shadow is due to the iPad.
- The fluid shirt movement is because he moved.
-The static lighting in his eyes is because he barely moves/a movement in the light wouldn't be noticeable when he's only moving that amount.
-His movement and mannerisms are merely that, odd mannerisms; possibly due to bad acting.
-The bandages are because he's cos-playing a character in the game.
-A large amount of the 'flaws' are because he has bandages covering his face making movement difficult.
Now you must decide, TeamCG, Team Real, or Team Hybrid! The great division!
The notion of GT's Rohan being prepared to provide a pic of a real person while the interview is still CG was just one twist to many for me.
While there've been a few strange moments in the interview that made me question my beliefs, I don't think that pic is CG.
Always-honest
Banned
sssht. befor you know it it's on N4G. It could very well be the end of GAF as we know it.
Best to delete every single trace of this thread.
Kotaku would rather falsely report Versus XIII is canceled. We're the crazy ones!
Actually it came out of the 4chan cesspool and some people are running with the troll.
DecoyOctopus
Member
Pascal's wager only works if you die at the end and can't be ridiculed for it on a forum forever. Be prepared.
Pascal's Wager.
If i'm wrong, then fair enough. But if i'm right....the possibilities!
Edit: Changed the team thingy...man I suck!
efyu_lemonardo
May I have a cookie?
I can't explain most of the unbelievable people in this thread either...
WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN!?
*I'll say this very quietly but it's already on N4G, Giant Bomb, The Sixth Axis, IGN, GameFAQs ect but they seam as enthralled in the whole concept as well only a matter of time before reports start coming in and we're all doomed. Edit: and Shack News seams to be the first*. Oh what was that? Nope nothing. Carry on.
Haha very true.
http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/2m4qao/the-phantom-pain-joakim-mogren-interview
What the hell does that mean?
NoirVisage
Banned
there's no way EVERY shot in that interview was real, there was CG in there as well for sure, those are my thoughts on the matter.
angular graphics
Banned
Animated? Geoff WAS CG after all!
It means even GT is trolling you guys now.
It'd be interesting if some shots are real and some were CG. Then Kojima can ask if people could tell the difference when was what since they did those comparison pics before. Team purple would win.
Team Purple belong to Team Red.
Risk Breaker
Member
(and 20% Team Hybrid
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ElfArmy177
Member
Yo, this thread is embarrassing.
This thread is better than the funny pics thread. However I'll go team cg just because it would be amazing.
that gif - it was able to be done on a console in REAL TIME. Why can't the interview be a CG render??
Anything other than zero CG counts as #TeamCG. Join us.
(and 20% Team Hybrid
Anything other than zero CG counts as #TeamCG. Join us.
Bullshit.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
They're both CG.
People think Joakim being CG is the extent of Kojima but in the end both TeamCG and TeamReal underestimate the master of madness.
No fun allowed, apparently.
NoirVisage
Banned
Anything other than zero CG counts as #TeamCG. Join us.
right
wrong
#Teamfunallowed
To be clear, the GTTV popups and the gameplay don't count. XD
Anything other than zero CG counts as #TeamCG. Join us.
What if parts of it were CGI but the parts in the OP that seem off end up being real? :O