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Fidelis Hodie

Infidelis Cras
I am regularly astonished by this thread's capacity for hate. I mean, to not be moved by something, okay, but to actively hate on such a regular basis. I just don't have it in me. What is it about shounen manga that attracts people whose lives have forged them into such raging engines of loathing, I cannot imagine. I don't think there is anything on earth that I hate anywhere near as much as some people hate Naruto the Ninja and his Black and White Comic Book.

Is it so hard to believe that Naruto is certifiably boring more often than not these and most people who read it only do so because they've been doing it forever?

You like Naruto still, that's awesome. Keep reading and post about it. I don't understand how exactly, but I'm not worried about it. That's your thing.

Regardless, it's boring. And is dragging. And no more italics. This arc doesn't even read well in volume form. That's really sad.
 

Wiseblade

Member
I am regularly astonished by this thread's capacity for hate. I mean, to not be moved by something, okay, but to actively hate on such a regular basis. I just don't have it in me. What is it about shounen manga that attracts people whose lives have forged them into such raging engines of loathing, I cannot imagine. I don't think there is anything on earth that I hate anywhere near as much as some people hate Naruto the Ninja and his Black and White Comic Book.

Don't mistake my comment as rage, it's more of an inability to feel any strong emotion about Naruto. Current events just are; they don't sway me one way or another.
 

Dresden

Member
ran of the gray world - 17

Man, Outarou reminds me of Yoshikage Kira.

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Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Is it so hard to believe that Naruto is certifiably boring more often than not these and most people who read it only do so because they've been doing it forever?

You like Naruto still, that's awesome. Keep reading and post about it. I don't understand how exactly, but I'm not worried about it. That's your thing.

Regardless, it's boring. And is dragging. And no more italics. This arc doesn't even read well in volume form. That's really sad.

Was that dig at him really necessary?

You can probably count the people in this thread who are serious with their "hate" on one hand.

Man, I don't know. Some people hate Naruto so much you'd swear he jumped off the page, murdered their whole families and then laughed about it.
 

Zeppu

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One Piece

I don't know why you guys are thinking it's gonna be a tournament. This chapter made it seem more like a 'capture the flag' deal with those 5 guarding the fruit. People will start attacking left right and centre and be mopped by the 5 guardians. Then the SHs show up, Luffy hakis the whole stadium and it'll be just 1 vs 1 fights. I can't see Luffy or Franky signing up and doing knockouts for a tournament.
 

Fidelis Hodie

Infidelis Cras
Was that dig at him really necessary?

. . there was no dig? Maybe the "still" made it come off as one, but I didn't mean it that way. Was more just comparing how he doesn't get the vehement hate to me not getting how he enjoys it, but in the end it's all relative. It's opinions.

One Piece

I don't know why you guys are thinking it's gonna be a tournament. This chapter made it seem more like a 'capture the flag' deal with those 5 guarding the fruit. People will start attacking left right and centre and be mopped by the 5 guardians. Then the SHs show up, Luffy hakis the whole stadium and it'll be just 1 vs 1 fights. I can't see Luffy or Franky signing up and doing knockouts for a tournament.

Ha, didn't even think about it like that. I'd be pleased with it. I'm more just worried that there could be a tourny arc, ala Fairy Tale. That is just . . boring.
 
Yep, this is Ronald x Sanders x America.
http://i.imgur.com/gCrIAxF.jpg

It's a love triangle between the three with Colonel Sanders and Ronald McDonald fighting for America's love. Ronald gets jealous after he finds out that America has been eating KFC.

If I recall correctly, after Sanders leaves Ronald starts erotically feeding America hamburgers and somehow gets his shirt undone. Then America goes "I'M LOVIN' IT."
 

suzu

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Ran and the Gray World 17-18

Once in awhile he'll say something non-gross, but I find Outarou utterly disgusting. lol. Rooting for Hibi.
 
It's a love triangle between the three with Colonel Sanders and Ronald McDonald fighting for America's love. Ronald gets jealous after he finds out that America has been eating KFC.

If I recall correctly, after Sanders leaves Ronald starts erotically feeding America hamburgers and somehow gets his shirt undone. Then America goes "I'M LOVIN' IT."

I would have prefer the normal ending.
 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I must have missed the conversation about Food Smut. That or you guys are severely disappointing me.
 

Jintor

Member
Rika 0 - 13

So I was expecting this to basically be a smut series where I'd shamefully consume it and move on, never talking about it to anyone, but I think I might actually have to say something about how skillfully its troubling narrative is constructed (although it kind of loses its primary plot thread once the family go on vacation to the countryside and a differently-constructed tale begins taking place that unfortunately pushes one of the main characters out of the limelight). The mangaka really knows the art of the tease, and at least how I would imagine a 'prefect' but repressed 15-16 year-old would feel about girls in close physical proximity to him. The art is a perfect level of realism, just enough to make you think about real life bodies (especially) and with no regressions into jarring 4-koma esque gags.

I guess my main problem is that it's suuuuuper uncomfortable to read (though I'm fairly certain that's deliberate), the story kind of veers away from the main plotline about halfway through the first volume without bothering to keep the deurotagonist visibly 'on hold' [instead making her more or less a background character for most of the arc] and the fact that Volume 2 isn't out yet.

Oh and that Nostrodamus thing someone posted, that was pretty dumb
 

Lain

Member
I'm wondering if the group that was doing Sweet Blue Flowers and dropped it because JManga licensed it, will pick it up again now?
 

Kreed

Member
One Piece 702:

Still holding out for Luffy to give a "who cares?" response, but it doesn't matter now that Zoro and co will be headed to the arena as well. Really not a fan of Doflamingo's crew designs either. Even though we haven't seen their full body designs yet, most of them are pretty damn ugly from just what we've seen.

No real issues with the chapter though, but just once though I wish Oda could tell a story where all the Straw Hats currently in action stick together/have the same goal, vs every arc having random chaos with the crew doing different things. At least Franky seems to have some focus (seems like Franky and Sanji switched jobs, but I guess that's what happens when you have too many main characters and not enough story roles).

Right now though I'm trying to guess who is responsible for the creation of the toy people. Obviously they are Devil Fruit related, and if we compare this arc to Thriller Bark and most other "weird" occurrences the Straw Hats have run into, then it's reasonable to believe that the person responsible is the main antagonist of the arc, which would be Doflamingo (especially since he has the whole toy/joker/clown theme down). But we've seen Doflamingo in action twice now, and he mainly uses strings as his weapon of choice. This doesn't really fit with an ability to turn people into toys, unless:

A) The strings are not part of his ability/power
B) His ability is something complex like Law's ability, or the strings are an extension of his ability similar to Luffy and his Gears.
C) The toy people are using a fusion of Doflamingo's Devil Fruit and something else (like the Zombies that were created with Moria's shadow ability and dead bodies).

If it's none of these and Doflamingo isn't responsible and someone else is the culprit, then it would need to be someone very important to Doflamingo (as in a 2nd in command) or someone above him (going back to the "young" Master title).
 

Wiseblade

Member
One Piece 702:

Still holding out for Luffy to give a "who cares?" response, but it doesn't matter now that Zoro and co will be headed to the arena as well. Really not a fan of Doflamingo's crew designs either. Even though we haven't seen their full body designs yet, most of them are pretty damn ugly from just what we've seen.

No real issues with the chapter though, but just once though I wish Oda could tell a story where all the Straw Hats currently in action stick together/have the same goal, vs every arc having random chaos with the crew doing different things. At least Franky seems to have some focus (seems like Franky and Sanji switched jobs, but I guess that's what happens when you have too many main characters and not enough story roles).

Right now though I'm trying to guess who is responsible for the creation of the toy people. Obviously they are Devil Fruit related, and if we compare this arc to Thriller Bark and most other "weird" occurrences the Straw Hats have run into, then it's reasonable to believe that the person responsible is the main antagonist of the arc, which would be Doflamingo (especially since he has the whole toy/joker/clown theme down). But we've seen Doflamingo in action twice now, and he mainly uses strings as his weapon of choice. This doesn't really fit with an ability to turn people into toys, unless:

A) The strings are not part of his ability/power
B) His ability is something complex like Law's ability, or the strings are an extension of his ability similar to Luffy and his Gears.
C) The toy people are using a fusion of Doflamingo's Devil Fruit and something else (like the Zombies that were created with Moria's shadow ability and dead bodies).

If it's none of these and Doflamingo isn't responsible and someone else is the culprit, then it would need to be someone very important to Doflamingo (as in a 2nd in command) or someone above him (going back to the "young" Master title).
There's absolutely nothing to suggest that turning people into toys is part of Doflamingo's powers. The things we're definitely seen him do so far are control people's bodies/actions against their will through some motion of his fingers and attack people with strings attached to this fingers. Even assuming he has some string/puppetry based devil fruit, extending that into transforming people into non-marionette living toys is more of a stretch than Crocodile being able to absorb moisture with his sand fruit.
 

survivor

Banned
Ran and the Gray World 11

Man, I missed the good art. So many beautiful and hot panels.

I really wish Outarou would have died, never liked that dude.
 

Lain

Member
Ran and the Gray World 11

Man, I missed the good art. So many beautiful and hot panels.

I really wish Outarou would have died, never liked that dude.

Otaro is a big piece of shit, but I really can't hate him, even in his assholish ways he comes off as a kind of cool asshole to me (see chapter 17).
 

Big One

Banned
One Piece 702
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Fairy Tail has an arc centered around a huge battle in a colisseum of epic proportions...then One Piece has an arc centered around a huge battle in a colisseum of epic proportions too. Its difficult to overlook the fact that he has to be taking lots of inspiration from Fairy Tail. Anyway, the chapter was quite epic, Ace's appearance has been the best thing in ages.
Do you even realize the amount of shonen that exist that were made before Fairy Tail that have tournament arcs?

Tournament arcs are so old that they have outside sources than the manga medium itself. It's just an old, tired cliche. And we don't even really know if we're heading into one yet.

If I had to guess, though, the tournament arc of One Piece is going to be more like how Toriko is right now. The recent Toriko arc started out as a tournament arc, then shit hit the fan and became absolutely nuts. One Piece will probably end up being more like that.
 

Atredeus

Neo Member
Naruto

Alright, I don't have a ton of vitriol for this chapter, but Kishi did drop the ball. He took a deep (for Shonen) relationship. Something that actually made this flashback somewhat worthwhile. Then you decide to have Madara do a 180 after his little bro dies, and invalidate what you spent the last couple chapters setting up. And to add insult to injury, you skip the day-long fight between the two most powerful people in existence. Literally the entire thing that could have made the flashback worth it. Oh well.

One Piece

Really hoping for a short tournament arc.

Alive 1-8

Alright, interesting premise. I'm hooked, and I honestly didn't see this going the random power direction. MC seems super weak with small hints at potential. I'm pretty interested to see where this goes, and what sort of profound statements it makes about death.
 

Kreed

Member
One Piece 702:

Or you could just chalk it up to it being the New World

You're really going to suggest this after I just referenced Thriller Bark?

There's absolutely nothing to suggest that turning people into toys is part of Doflamingo's powers. The things we're definitely seen him do so far are control people's bodies/actions against their will through some motion of his fingers and attack people with strings attached to this fingers. Even assuming he has some string/puppetry based devil fruit, extending that into transforming people into non-marionette living toys is more of a stretch than Crocodile being able to absorb moisture with his sand fruit.

Like I mentioned, this is based solely on how other arcs in One Piece have gone about. Usually when Luffy and co run into weird/super natural occurrences that are a focus of the arc with no immediate Devil Fruit explanation, it's the main antagonist and/or a major character the Straw Hats have to meet that is to blame. In this case we have an island that is ruled by Doflamingo, the puppet master/joker/toy man/etc... that has the unique characteristic of having toy people living on it. These toy people are the unique feature of this island that Doflamingo rules and fits with his overall theme.

Based on this and Oda's story telling style, it's safe to assume that either Doflamingo is directly involved in creating these toys or someone closely associated with him/above him is responsible. I'm only leaning towards it being Doflamingo because this fits his theme vs say Baby 5 or his other crew members we've seen so far.
 

Wiseblade

Member
Do you even realize the amount of shonen that exist that were made before Fairy Tail that have tournament arcs?

Tournament arcs are so old that they have outside sources than the manga medium itself. It's just an old, tired cliche. And we don't even really know if we're heading into one yet.

If I had to guess, though, the tournament arc of One Piece is going to be more like how Toriko is right now. The recent Toriko arc started out as a tournament arc, then shit hit the fan and became absolutely nuts. One Piece will probably end up being more like that.

You forget who you are responding to.
 

survivor

Banned
Otaro is a big piece of shit, but I really can't hate him, even in his assholish ways he comes off as a kind of cool asshole to me (see chapter 17).

Yeah, but then if he died then the little kid will be the default winner lol

And I really like his relationship with Ran more.
 
Do you even realize the amount of shonen that exist that were made before Fairy Tail that have tournament arcs?

Tournament arcs are so old that they have outside sources than the manga medium itself. It's just an old, tired cliche. And we don't even really know if we're heading into one yet.

Its not the fact that it is a tournament arc, its just suspicious that Oda would do one using even a similar looking coliseum right immediately after the currently running Fairy Tail has virtually ended its tourney. Unless this is out of respect and paying homage to Mashima, this seems like its more than mere coincidence that the writer of the bestselling series happened to stumble upon the idea of doing a coliseum focused tournament. Im sure that he browsed Fairy Tail in the market and decided to do the same thing.
 

Bossun

Member
Shibatora 110

I won't believe it until I saw it :(, that would be a huge blow...

Soul eater

Black star should have been the main character, so awesome.
 

Atredeus

Neo Member
Its not the fact that it is a tournament arc, its just suspicious that Oda would do one using even a similar looking coliseum right immediately after the currently running Fairy Tail has virtually ended its tourney. Unless this is out of respect and paying homage to Mashima, this seems like its more than mere coincidence that the writer of the bestselling series happened to stumble upon the idea of doing a coliseum focused tournament. Im sure that he browsed Fairy Tail in the market and decided to do the same thing.

A similar looking coliseum? You mean like the Roman Coliseum they're both based on? I'm fairly sure it's standard inspiration for anyone wanting a gladiator feel.
 

Wiseblade

Member
A similar looking coliseum? You mean like the Roman Coliseum they're both based on? I'm fairly sure it's standard inspiration for anyone wanting a gladiator feel.

The fact you're referring to at as a coliseum shows the common root inspiration. Also, you forget who you are responding to.
 
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