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VGLeaks: First look as Durango XDK (always connected, kinect required, must install)

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Crimson_Gold

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Reiko said:
So let me get this straight...

A 1.2TFLOP console.
A medium upgrade to Kinect in power
A bunch of *new* services for the masses

And people are supposed to flock to Durango?
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Perhaps they are banking on the appeal of some revolutionary interface and the idea that there will be no "easily discernable difference" between most PS4 and the Xbox. That and a strong brand could lead one to believe in the success of the approach. Get enough media buzz and the next thing you know, you have a runaway hit.
 
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GhaleonEB

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RetroStu said:
Xbox Core -
Just a pure gaming system without any of the 'New World Order' shite and without all the Facebook and Twitter shite that hardly anyone cares about.

Xbox World -
Has all the gaming tech of the Core console but with all the extra shite in it.

Why can't Microsoft do something like this and release 2 different versions that will suit everyones needs?, they won't because they know the Core gaming model will sell far more than the Illuminati model.
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They basically had that kind of set up this gen with Xbox Live Gold/Silver and the regular and Core/Arcade systems. I'd expect that kind of approach to continue into the next gen, with the addition of a cheap console price when coupled with a Gold Live subscription (phone model).
 
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Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Wouldn't surprise me at all if MS went for price over power this generation. Those leaked docs had a $299 price point.

If they release at $299 and Sony hits at $449, it could be a huge benefit for Microsoft.
 
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Mastperf

Member
Reiko said:
So let me get this straight...

A 1.2TFLOP console.
A medium upgrade to Kinect in power
A bunch of *new* services for the masses

And people are supposed to flock to Durango?
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They see the cash Nintendo and Apple have made by catering to the casual market and seem to be building a console powerful enough for "core' gamers while also having the gimmicks/services for casuals.
Maybe they're trying to be a jack of all trades.
 
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MORT1S

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Biggzy said:
I have no idea why people think XBLA games are different to retail games.
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An abstract idea that if one can get the data onto a drive via an online service, it will be usable on any device that the service supports.

At least that is what I gather reading people's posts.
 
AgentP

AgentP

Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
Plinko said:
Wouldn't surprise me at all if MS went for price over power this generation. Those leaked docs had a $299 price point.

If they release at $299 and Sony hits at $449, it could be a huge benefit for Microsoft.
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So they will sell there new console for the same price as there old one? Seems like the opposite strategy over the last few years.
 
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Baconsammy

Banned
RetroStu said:
Xbox Core -
Just a pure gaming system without any of the 'New World Order' shite and without all the Facebook and Twitter shite that hardly anyone cares about.

Xbox World -
Has all the gaming tech of the Core console but with all the extra shite in it.

Why can't Microsoft do something like this and release 2 different versions that will suit everyones needs?, they won't because they know the Core gaming model will sell far more than the Illuminati model.
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They'll have this. It's called the 360 and the new Xbox. I don't doubt for a second that some of the new content coming to the new Xbox will be accessible via the 360. A 99 dollar 360 that's offering casuals/non-gamers access to Amazon, Netflix etc etc plus new MS content would be a huge thorn in Nintendo's side (presuming they intend to lower the Wii U price to differentiate themselves from Sony/MS).
 
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RetroStu

Banned
The power thing doesn't bother me as EA said themselves that the new consoles are about 10x the power of current gen which is the usual jump (its just that its took a lot longer this time between gens), what bothers me is all the extra shite that i couldn't care less about and i don't like stuff like the terrible Kinect being forced on me, forcing stuff on customers is never good business and imo needing an internet connection is going to backfire for Microsoft big time, we are many years away from having a global internet infrastructure at the kind of level needed for that to work.

I love the 360 and adore the 360 pad but its looking strongly like i will switch to PS4 this gen even though i hate the dual shock.
 
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w1y!

Banned
I'm not sure what ms is doin but they may have misread the market based off of the wii success. People have likely got over that phase now and realised they bought one but never really played it much
 
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Klocker

Member
Plinko said:
Wouldn't surprise me at all if MS went for price over power this generation. Those leaked docs had a $299 price point.

If they release at $299 and Sony hits at $449, it could be a huge benefit for Microsoft.
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while they could do it, anything lower than $100 from Sony would give the impression that they are not as good a machine. I think they will price within $50-$100 and then subsidize with plans, discounts and pack ins HEAVILY to maintain the "Value"

ALSO... I predict early release by anywhere form 1-3 months ahead of Sony is in their plans to get a foothold.
 
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AngryMoth

Member
Can someone explain to me what kind of services people are expecting in Durango that will set it apart from the ps4, besides Skype integration? Everyone always says they are going after the mass market by putting the focus on services but I don't really understand what they actually mean by this. If they want to compete with $99 boxes they better have an ace up their sleeve.
 
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SolsticeZero

Banned
Klocker said:
while they could do it, anything lower than $100 from Sony would give the impression that they are not as good a machine. I think they will price within $50-$100 and then subsidize with plans, discounts and pack ins HEAVILY to maintain the "Value"

ALSO... I predict early release by anywhere form 1-3 months ahead of Sony is in their plans to get a foothold.
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Sony's already set to release in November, right? MS would have to have done some voodoo level leak prevention to be able to beat November. We would have some info. It's not gonna be one of those "here's the console, and it comes out tomorrow!" type of things. Retailers and whatnot would have info by now, that close to launch.
 
R3TRODYCE

R3TRODYCE

Member
Plinko said:
Wouldn't surprise me at all if MS went for price over power this generation. Those leaked docs had a $299 price point.

If they release at $299 and Sony hits at $449, it could be a huge benefit for Microsoft.
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299, would make me a happy panda.
 
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onQ123

Member
Reiko said:
So let me get this straight...

A 1.2TFLOP console.
A medium upgrade to Kinect in power
A bunch of *new* services for the masses

And people are supposed to flock to Durango?
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If
PriceIsRight.jpg


then yes people will flock to it.


Take a look around: Tablets & Smartphones are taking over & people are enjoying the games & no one is really paying attention to the graphics. so a Xbox3 with new features & powerful enough for nice 1080P graphics with a good price is going to be good enough for must people.


Graphics is only a small part when it come to selling video games.
 
Alx

Alx

Member
NeededSleep said:
If any of this is true fuck this skynet shit. Ps4 it will be.
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Yeah you're right. Sony's Skynet sounds much more promising. Not only will it watch you, but it will try to understand you, it will learn your hopes and your fears. And when it will know each one of us inside out, it will know how to crush us all. Mwahahahaaa !

Mark Cerny said:
If we know enough about you to predict your next purchase, then that game can be loaded and ready to go before you even click that button
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infinityBCRT

Member
AgentP said:
So they will sell there new console for the same price as there old one? Seems like the opposite strategy over the last few years.
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I think selling for the same price as the old one is pretty much the Apple strategy (iPhone and iPad prices are pretty damn constant). $400-$600 for a new console back in 2005/2006 was a real tough pill to swallow after seeing the PS2 and Xbox selling close to $200 a pop. Now, with smartphones and tablets selling for well above $400, and previous gen consoles in the $250-350 range, selling a new console for $300 would seem like a great deal, and probably would sell well at launch.

Of course, I guess you could counter that with the Wii U, but I'd argue the Wii U's strategy was way too confusing (people thought it was just a controller), and its hardware doesn't really outmatch 7 year old consoles at this point.
 
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Baconsammy

Banned
Klocker said:
while they could do it, anything lower than $100 from Sony would give the impression that they are not as good a machine. I think they will price within $50-$100 and then subsidize with plans, discounts and pack ins HEAVILY to maintain the "Value"

ALSO... I predict early release by anywhere form 1-3 months ahead of Sony is in their plans to get a foothold.
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That certainly didn't hurt the Wii. If they offer something unique that consumers think they can't get elsewhere, it will sell. Power and ram means nothing in the bigger picture. Services/offerings/games trump all. I imagine there's going to be a few game bombshells dropped when they finally do announce. Perhaps one involving a pew pew pew game.

Alx said:
Yeah you're right. Sony's Skynet sounds much more promising. Not only will it watch you, but it will try to understand you, it will learn your hopes and your fears. And when it will know each of us inside out, it will know how to crush each one of us. Mwahahahaaa !
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I like the part where it watches what you play and then downloads on its own games it thinks you'll like. Damn you, Skynet!
 
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Klocker

Member
Solstice said:
Sony's already set to release in November, right? MS would have to have done some voodoo level leak prevention to be able to beat November. We would have some info. It's not gonna be one of those "here's the console, and it comes out tomorrow!" type of things. Retailers and whatnot would have info by now, that close to launch.
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Sony said "holiday" 2013 which could be Nov 18-Dec 18

MS could do September or as you said do what they did at E3 and the slim release and say... Next week!
 
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SolsticeZero

Banned
Klocker said:
Sony said "holiday" 2013 which could be Nov 18-Dec 18

MS could do September or as you said do what they did at E3 and the slim release and say... Next week!
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Releasing a new iteration of the same console is quite different from popping out a whole new generation. New generation means shelf space for software, peripherals, marketing facings, etc. The 360 slim required a new spot on the same shelf.
 
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Klocker

Member
Baconsammy said:
That certainly didn't hurt the Wii. If they offer something unique that consumers think they can't get elsewhere, it will sell. Power and ram means nothing in the bigger picture. Services/offerings/games trump all. I imagine there's going to be a few game bombshells dropped when they finally do announce. Perhaps one involving a pew pew pew game.
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good points but make no mistake regardless of the technical specs, they are positioning themselves as EQUAL to Ps4...Wii didn't even pretend to be as powerful as PS360

Solstice said:
Releasing a new iteration of the same console is quite different from popping out a whole new generation. New generation means shelf space for software, peripherals, marketing facings, etc. The 360 slim required a new spot on the same shelf.
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oh I agree that is unlikely but not impossible.. but September early strike? totally doable
 
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RetroStu

Banned
Baconsammy said:
That certainly didn't hurt the Wii. If they offer something unique that consumers think they can't get elsewhere, it will sell. Power and ram means nothing in the bigger picture. Services/offerings/games trump all. I imagine there's going to be a few game bombshells dropped when they finally do announce. Perhaps one involving a pew pew pew game.



I like the part where it watches what you play and then downloads on its own games it thinks you'll like. Damn you, Skynet!
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You may joke but this stuff has been talked about for years on alternative media and not in a good way, its scary really to think what kind of world we could be living in 30 years from now although thats for a different conversation.
 
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RetroStu

Banned
Klocker said:
good points but make no mistake regardless of the technical specs, they are positioning themselves as EQUAL to Ps4...Wii didn't even pretend to be as powerful as PS360
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I doub't most people will be able to tell the difference between both consoles just like this gen even if the PS4 has the edge, its only good for console war flamebait.
 
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Klocker

Member
RetroStu said:
You may joke but this stuff has been talked about for years on alternative media and not in a good way, its scary really to think what kind of world we could be living in 30 years from now although thats for a different conversation.
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its only scary if we want it to be... people of the future will call it convenience, just like all of the conveniences we experience today were considered to be the scary by the people living in the 50's.

RetroStu said:
I doub't most people will be able to tell the difference between both consoles just like this gen even if the PS4 has the edge, its only good for console war flamebait.
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agree and that's why I think retail price will be close to sony but a bit lower and pack-ins and subsidies will be where they use their lower cost per unit to make inroads
 
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JaggedSac

Member
Plinko said:
Wouldn't surprise me at all if MS went for price over power this generation. Those leaked docs had a $299 price point.

If they release at $299 and Sony hits at $449, it could be a huge benefit for Microsoft.
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And if you are making hardware to provide a front end to services, a low price point is gonna be key.
 
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Baconsammy

Banned
Klocker said:
good points but make no mistake regardless of the technical specs, they are positioning themselves as EQUAL to Ps4...Wii didn't even pretend to be as powerful as PS360
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All Sony/MS need to be is "close enough" to one another. After that it comes down to offering something else. This gen XBL was Sony's undoing. Sony spent the gen playing catch-up. They can't afford to do that again, and MS can't afford to have weaker hardware and also lack compelling other reasons to choose their box over Sony's. Right now from what we've been shown Sony's approach is something that appeals only to the core. Casuals aren't going to care about streaming gameplay videos. I bet they have more features/services that they'll unveil over the next few months though. And I don't doubt that Microsoft also has some kind of Twitch gaming offering.

RetroStu said:
You may joke but this stuff has been talked about for years on alternative media and not in a good way, its scary really to think what kind of world we could be living in 30 years from now although thats for a different conversation.
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It doesn't scare me. My Directv receivers have been doing that for over a decade. I simply turn it off.
 
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Reiko

Banned
Reading this thread one would assume multiplats are being made with PS4 and PC in mind, with Durango getting downports.
 
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enzo_gt

tagged by Blackace
Neuromancer said:
This is a really unsettling post. I have a bad feeling about this next system.
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I don't know, if you ask me, more features and services are a good thing. Sony's reveal showed they pretty much are bringing streaming to the table alongside some spiffy play-while-you-download and not much else that they can pound down now (see: Gaikai). MS are innovators in the online space, I'm excited for what they plan to do with Xbox Live for gamers next like they had cross-game chat, invites, achievements, and an integrated web experience current gen.

I think folks are severely underrating MS' approach here. Like Bacon said approach, features and games are what matter at the end of the day, not specs. Seems like Sony is putting most of their chips into streaming/share button functionality and Microsoft is putting all their chips on Kinect/illumiroom. It can go either way for both of them, but after the Durango announcement I would bet that MS will have more services/features on tap than what Sony has shown with what they have thus far on PSN + what new stuff the PS4 offers.
 
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JJD

Member
Reiko said:
Reading this thread one would assume multiplats are being made with PS4 and PC in mind, with Durango getting downports.
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Man you need to chill, no one is assuming that besides you. There is no way PS4 games will match PC games down the line.

You're too invested in this.

If anything, porting games between PC and 720/PS4 is going to easier than ever.

Why is it so hard to believe that MS could have a slightly weaker box?

One of then is going to have inferior specs, there is no way both Durango and PS4 will have the exact same performance with different parts.

As I said, if MS was surprised by Sony in any way, then that might be an indication that they were not prepared and that they maybe needed to react in some way.

But since it seems that they expected to have a slight disadvantage in specs. you can be sure that they feel prepared for that and are going to stick to their plan.

Frankly I'm interested in what they have to say and I believe most of us will be pleasantly surprised, even if Durango is not as impressive tech wise. As much as I like shiny graphics they are not everything.
 
WarMacheen

WarMacheen

Member
Wait the fuck on

So is this actually confirmed

A game console

CONSOLE

requires a goddamn video camera

REQUIRES

an actual real life camera

CAMERA

to fucking function

TO FUNCTION

?
 
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Reiko

Banned
JJD said:
Man you need to chill, no one is assuming that besides you. There is no way PS4 games will match PC games down the line.

You're too invested in this.

If anything, porting games between PC and 720/PS4 is going to easier than ever.

Why is it so hard to believe that MS could have a slightly weaker box?

One of then is going to have inferior specs, there is no way both Durango and PS4 will have the exact same performance with different parts.

As I said, if MS was surprised by Sony in any way, then that might be an indication that they were not prepared and that they maybe needed to react in some way.

But since it seems that they expected to have a slight disadvantage in specs. you can be sure that they feel prepared for that and are going to stick to their plan.

Frankly I'm interested in what they have to say and I believe most of us will be pleasantly surprised, even if Durango is not as impressive tech wise. As much as I like shiny graphics they are not everything.
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lmao at you thinking I'm invested in this.

You seem to be invested in my posts to write all of that.
 
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