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[Erasus]

I have played MGS2,3 and 4 and I dont understand anything that happend in the trailer...

Great visuals and music though

 

[RangerBAD]

What makes you think the coma ever ended? Do you think any of the game is real? It'll be pretty awesome if the game supposedly takes place in 1984, but there are no references to anything beyond 1975.

So we're supposed to believe that after the hospital scene(s), Snake gets a proper robotic arm, and starts up a new outfit called "Diamond Dogs" right? Bowie's Diamond Dogs album was released in.... 1974.

If it was all in his head, then it would add nothing to the lore. The mind fuck might be a good twist, but it means basically all that happened was Big Boss was shitting in a bag.

I have played MGS2,3 and 4 and I dont understand anything that happend in the trailer...

Great visuals and music though

Guess you missed PW.

 

[Lonestar]

So with the confusion of V versus 5, along with possible clones, it made me wonder if V/5 (and "V has awoken") makes me wonder if V/5 means "the 5th clone" or the "5th Big Boss" (1. Big Boss 2. Solid Snake 3. Liquid Snake 4. Solidus Snake 5.?)

Was there ever knowledge of Big Boss losing an arm?

Then thinking off of a recent show I've watched (Young Justice) and how a character (Red Arrow/Arsenal) was taken hostage, cloned, and the clone was unleashed into the world to continue living on as the original (not knowing it was a clone). The arm of the original character was cut off, for genetic material to use in the cloning process.

That brought me back to thinking about a potential reason for the Phantom Pain character to be missing an arm. If he's the original BB, while the BB (who became more "evil" in MG1 and MG2) was a clone that worked in line with The Patriots, instead of how BB originally was.

Feels like a Metal Gear topic. It's bringing about insane ramblings from me.

 

[jacksepticeye]

Yes, I'm going with sort-of Fight Club hallucination. To recap, this is based on:

-Ishmael and Big Boss are both voiced by Kiefer in the scene.

-Ishmael points back at Big Boss when Big boss asks him who he is.

-Ishmael corrects himself when he goes "I've--we..."

-Ishmael never supports Big Boss's weight to help him out of the hospital. He flips him over at one point, but not in a way that Big Boss wouldn't be able to do himself. Doesn't make sense whatsoever to leave Big Boss flopping around if they're trying to escape together and Ishmael is able to walk.

-Ishmael is a funky sort-of character sort-of omniscient narrator in Moby Dick. He introduces himself, but he attributes as a character fall away entirely as the story progresses. Here, in the very first line of the gameplay footage, Ishmael calls Big Boss "Ahab," so it's a direct reference to the scenario in Moby Dick.

-Obviously all sorts of other hallucinations are taking place. Volgin etc.


I think that should be sufficient ;b

This was the big one for me. Almost like he's just a projection of himself hence why his face is all covered over, Snake doesn't know it's himself so he imagines a covered face. The two seem to go through the exact same sort of reactions too to some situations

 

[eyeball_kid]

Moby Dick actually makes mention of Ishmael and a phantom:

looking down from the masthead one night, Fedallah thinks that he sees a whale spouting. The ship then tries to follow it but the whale is not seen again. Mysteriously, a similar spout is seen regularly each night from then on. Ishmael calls it a “spirit-spout” because it seems to be a phantom leading them on. Some think it might be Moby Dick leading the ship on toward its destruction.”

http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/mobydick/section7.rhtml

Good find. Snake manipulated into being the "trojan horse"? Possible...

 

[Nibel]

I try to add as much to the OP as possible and would love if you guys helped me!

 

[Sage00]

What makes you think the coma ever ended? Do you think any of the game is real? It'll be pretty awesome if the game supposedly takes place in 1984, but there are no references to anything beyond 1975.

So we're supposed to believe that after the hospital scene(s), Snake gets a proper robotic arm, and starts up a new outfit called "Diamond Dogs" right? Bowie's Diamond Dogs album was released in.... 1974.

It would make sense that his voiced changed too, since he'd be hearing his 'inner voice' not as other people hear him.

Which nicely fits in to why Hayter isn't playing this role. He'll be playing Snake, not Snake's inner interpretation of himself. (And there is zero chance they would kick David Hayter out of the game, especially in the 'salty' way that's being implied in the ruse. The guy knows Kojima personally)

 

[NeoUltima]

Transition away from Hayter was inevitable. Can't have Hayter talking to himself when Solid/Big Boss meet.

 

[bakedpony]

Psycho Mantis is probably responsible for the weird stuff. Kinda like Scarecrow in Batman.

 

[BrokenEchelon]

Well that was certainly a Kojima trailer.

 

[Salsa]

I really like the trailer

Kojima (and whoever his cinematics director is) is good at making you feel like you care for characters even if you barely know them/arent that big a fan of Metal Gear

they play their tricks right


i'll get this if it comes to PC

 

[Imm0rt4l]

Really? All I ever see is people praising the heck out of it everywhere. Some other forums have kids gushing non stop about it and the reviews for it all giving perfect scores.

I think MGS4 is the weakest in the quadrilogy TBH. Didn't have that MGS magic

I agree with you there, as would a lot of people on this board.

 

[Screaming Meat]

If the whole game (barring the obvious hallucinations... WHAAAAALE-NUKE!?) was "all in his head" that would be a bit of a cop-out, no?

 

[Soma]

Man the psychological aspect of all this is making me really excited for this game.

 

[zerokoolpsx]

Haven't played Peace Walker so hopefully the plot doesn't completely fly over my head.

 

[The_Monk]

Any fellow GAFfer know how many hours remaining until this? Thanks in advance.

 

[Sage00]

Haven't played Peace Walker so hopefully the plot doesn't completely fly over my head.

You will understand nothing lol.

 

[duckroll]

Walkman

Was already in Peace Walker. Kojima doesn't really stick that closely with actual tech. I mean... the games have robots!

If it was all in his head, then it would add nothing to the lore. The mind fuck might be a good twist, but it means basically all that happened was Big Boss was shitting in a bag.

Who cares about lore. Give me good direction, fun gameplay, and an exciting story, and I won't even care about the continuity. It's too bloated for its own good anyway.

 

[BadWolf]

The game being a dream or just taking place in BB's head won't happen.

 

[SniperHunter]

Yes, I'm going with sort-of Fight Club hallucination. To recap, this is based on:

-Ishmael and Big Boss are both voiced by Kiefer in the scene.

-Ishmael points back at Big Boss when Big boss asks him who he is.

-Ishmael corrects himself when he goes "I've--we..."

-Ishmael never supports Big Boss's weight to help him out of the hospital. He flips him over at one point, but not in a way that Big Boss wouldn't be able to do himself. Doesn't make sense whatsoever to leave Big Boss flopping around if they're trying to escape together and Ishmael is able to walk.

-Ishmael is a funky sort-of character sort-of omniscient narrator in Moby Dick. He introduces himself, but he attributes as a character fall away entirely as the story progresses. Here, in the very first line of the gameplay footage, Ishmael calls Big Boss "Ahab," so it's a direct reference to the scenario in Moby Dick.

-Obviously all sorts of other hallucinations are taking place. Volgin etc.


I think that should be sufficient ;b

Makes sense. Good post

 

[Ferrio]

Because it looks like Volgin.

Ishmael is the bandage guy, he said it himself.

Oh didn't watch the gameplay video.

 

[Net_Wrecker]

If it was all in his head, then it would add nothing to the lore. The mind fuck might be a good twist, but it means basically all that happened was Big Boss was shitting in a bag.

I think people are jumping to conclusions if they think the entire, or even a majority of the game will be in Big Boss' head. All this hospital stuff is to throw the fans off. The real game probably begins post-coma, post-new arm, post-Diamond Dogs, in the real world. sometime in the mid to late 80s.

 

[MvmntInGrn]

Yes, I'm going with sort-of Fight Club hallucination. To recap, this is based on:

-Ishmael and Big Boss are both voiced by Kiefer in the scene.

-Ishmael points back at Big Boss when Big boss asks him who he is.

-Ishmael corrects himself when he goes "I've--we..."

-Ishmael never supports Big Boss's weight to help him out of the hospital. He flips him over at one point, but not in a way that Big Boss wouldn't be able to do himself. Doesn't make sense whatsoever to leave Big Boss flopping around if they're trying to escape together and Ishmael is able to walk.

-Ishmael is a funky sort-of character sort-of omniscient narrator in Moby Dick. He introduces himself, but he attributes as a character fall away entirely as the story progresses. Here, in the very first line of the gameplay footage, Ishmael calls Big Boss "Ahab," so it's a direct reference to the scenario in Moby Dick.

-Obviously all sorts of other hallucinations are taking place. Volgin etc.


I think that should be sufficient ;b

I like it.

 

[Resilient]

Damn...Snake wakes up after being in a coma for 9 years. Any chance this is Solid?

 

[Dick Justice]

Seeing Mother Base get destroyed after spending 100 hours getting each unit to level 99 and building up each plant? Right in the feels.

And it's not Solid. BB has an eyepatch, and Solid would be about 11 or 12 years old.

 

[kerotan_eater]

As someone who has never played a MGS game but has been at least following The Phantom Pain stuff I am can say I am very confused. I don't really know who any of these people are or what is going on. I wonder that if I were to play it would anything make sense to me or would it all be too deep into the franchise to start. I imagine it could be something similar to starting with Mass Effect 3 and then feeling confused at all of the back references.

Jumping into MGSV is way, WAY more convoluted than jumping into Mass Effect 3. At the very least, you need to be familiar with MGS3 and MGS: Peace Walker to recognize the characters. Then there's MGS1, MGS2, and MGS4 which fill out a ton of other crap.

It's a lot. People who've been there from the beginning still don't know WTF is going on.

Basically what he said. You can attempt to begin the series it should not be difficult to find them with the HD collection and MGS1 on PSN. Still that does not preclude you from understanding all the crap that is Metal Gear.

I've played them all, there are a lot of interpretations for many things in the series -- there is a tonne of lore -- 25 year's worth of continuity in if you include Metal Gear 1

So should you play MGS5? Sure, it'll most likely still be great but why would you want to be punched in the face and given a blowjob at the same time? Start the series chronologically (or with 3 if you want) and get some semblance of coherency.

 

[SJRB]

What makes you think the coma ever ended? Do you think any of the game is real? It'll be pretty awesome if the game supposedly takes place in 1984, but there are no references to anything beyond 1975.

So we're supposed to believe that after the hospital scene(s), Snake gets a proper robotic arm, and starts up a new outfit called "Diamond Dogs" right? Bowie's Diamond Dogs album was released in.... 1974.

I have no idea, haha. If there's one thing I've learned from Metal Gear trailers is to never jump to any conclusion.

Even though Kojima said the game starts with Snake waking up from the coma, I feel it makes more sense if the game actually starts with operation Ground Zeroes. Then the attack on Motherbase, then the failed revival and the coma, in which he has hallucinations of escaping with the bandaged man through all kinds of supernatural occurances.

..So here we are, spitballing crazy theories like it's 2004. Damnit Kojima, you did it again.

 

[SniperHunter]

Psycho Mantis is probably responsible for the weird stuff. Kinda like Scarecrow in Batman.

He was in the trailer, looked like a younger shorter Pyscho Mantis

 

[Aleph]

Just got home and saw all this MGS related news. Looks incredible! Also I can't believe they hired Sutherland.

 

[bernardobri]

Something interesting about the song used in the trailer.

Manson explained that the title Not Your Kind of People was "a call to arms in a way to anyone who feels like we do about the world", saying that "it can be great to be outsider." The singer felt that this applied to them as the band "never fit into a music scene" and that she "in my life I’ve never been an insider."[17] The singer also described the title as "a two-fingered salute to people who reject or criticize us", stating the band was "only really interested in people who share our outlook" as she considered that their fans were "the people who connect with what you're saying and how you say it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_Your_Kind_of_People#Background_and_recording

Man, Kojima sure is a detailist.

 

[keltickennedy]

Wonder if they are calling is Metal Gear Solid V because Peace Walker originally had the 5 when it was first announced.

 

[RangerBAD]

So with the confusion of V versus 5, along with possible clones, it made me wonder if V/5 (and "V has awoken") makes me wonder if V/5 means "the 5th clone" or the "5th Big Boss" (1. Big Boss 2. Solid Snake 3. Liquid Snake 4. Solidus Snake 5.?)

Was there ever knowledge of Big Boss losing an arm?

Then thinking off of a recent show I've watched (Young Justice) and how a character (Red Arrow/Arsenal) was taken hostage, cloned, and the clone was unleashed into the world to continue living on as the original (not knowing it was a clone). The arm of the original character was cut off, for genetic material to use in the cloning process.

That brought me back to thinking about a potential reason for the Phantom Pain character to be missing an arm. If he's the original BB, while the BB (who became more "evil" in MG1 and MG2) was a clone that worked in line with The Patriots, instead of how BB originally was.

Feels like a Metal Gear topic. It's bringing about insane ramblings from me.

I think guy is bandages had reconstructive facial surgery to look like Big Boss and maybe other stuff to sound like him too. Or the character we control is the look-a-like and guy in bandages is the real Big Boss. Or Big Boss was smoking peyote in the tepee with Ocelot. They are in New Mexico or Arizona.

 

[Raiden]

Yup.

Goddamn you figured out what i thought i've figured out.

If you put everything together it's pretty obvious that Ishmael is Big Boss his hallicunation. Same voice actor, the bandages, the pointing. The "drugs dont seem to work" line. Because he never was injected.

 

[Jawmuncher]

Really? All I ever see is people praising the heck out of it everywhere. Some other forums have kids gushing non stop about it and the reviews for it all giving perfect scores.

I think MGS4 is the weakest in the quadrilogy TBH. Didn't have that MGS magic

It has its fan but overall agreement is its the weakest by far.

 

[Screaming Meat]

I think people are jumping to conclusions if they think the entire, or even a majority of the game will be in Big Boss' head. All this hospital stuff is to throw the fans off. The real game probably begins post-coma, post-new arm, post-Diamond Dogs, in the real world. sometime in the mid to late 80s.

I think you're right. Probably here (or somewhere like it):

 

[El_Chino]

I wasn't able to watch the whole conference but was a release date or should I say a release time frame announced?

 

[RedNumberFive]

Regular or cool ranch?

 

[UrbanRats]

I've got only 2:

1) Where's Hayter at?
2) What about PC/Next Gen?

 

[Salsa]

Am I the only one who sees this trailer as Snake becoming insane and the frustration of people around him realizing that? specially that punch on the wall part

I want that game now

 

[The Omega Man]

Those who think that they have everything figured out by this trailer (Everything is a dream guys) are going to get Kojima'd.

 

[SMD]

I still dont get why this got an "official" reveal at gdc

Because they had an hour and a half long talk discussing their new engine and the techniques behind it, without actually announcing the game then it would've been difficult to talk freely.

As it is, they generated a lot of buzz and it'll roll nicely into E3.

 

[Protocol7]

I have to agree that seeing Psycho Mantis... I'm... I'm not even sure of anything now...

Also did you guys see the size of the bottom of his legs, this is the kind of details I like; I don't even get how he manages to stand in the end of the short gameplay vid (the shot I know but still...).

 

[PrimaNocta]

This looks amazing. Can't wait to get my hands on this.

 

[duckroll]

I have no idea, haha. If there's one thing I've learned from Metal Gear trailers is to never jump to any conclusion.

Even though Kojima said the game starts with Snake waking up from the coma, I feel it makes more sense if the game actually starts with operation Ground Zeroes. Then the attack on Motherbase, then the failed revival and the coma, in which he has hallucinations of escaping with the bandaged man through all kinds of supernatural occurances.

..So here we are, spitballing crazy theories like it's 2004. Damnit Kojima, you did it again.

I think the game starts with Snake "waking up" from the coma, and the really painfully lame crawling sequences which slowly introduce controls and interactions to players, and then there'll be a flashback to "how it all started", and that will be Ground Zeroes. After playing through Ground Zeroes, there will be enough elements introduced to motivate the player to investigate what has happened since then, and piece together the mystery of how Mother Base was destroyed, and who betrayed him, and who XOF are. Of course eventually... all of this could end up being in his head. I wanna mention some movies which applied similar narrative twists, but the spoilers might not be nice.

For people who don't mind I guess:

Spoiler

The entire Phantom Pain scenario could be a Vanilla Sky/Open Your Eyes sort of story, where the Ground Zeroes part of the story is actually real, and everything after is a fabrication.

 

[zakislam]

High-quality screens from the trailer released by Konami - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-03-27-still-shots-from-the-metal-gear-solid-5-gdc-trailer

 

[keltickennedy]

Regular or cool ranch?

OMG. I'm laughing my ass off.

 

[Uiki]

Am I the only one who sees this trailer as Snake becoming insane and the frustration of people around him realizing that? specially that punch on the wall part

I want that game now

Wasn't that scene happening before the coma?

 

[jacksepticeye]

I agree with you there, as would a lot of people on this board.

Further reason for me to enjoy posting here it would seem. Logical thinking happens here

 

[sqwarlock]

There are few things greater in this world than the speculation that surrounds the announcement of a new Metal Gear Solid game.

While I feel like the "Ishmael is some part of Snake's psyche" theory could be right, would it be possible for Ishmael to be one the clones? Does the potential timeframe support it?

 

[Marakh101]

I call BS on David Hayter calling it quit.
I am pretty sure we're gonna see Solid Snake later in the game, and Hayter will be doing his voice.
NEVER forget we are dealing with Mister mindf*ck here.