And local multi is why this series doesn't take off in America. I can't imagine trying to schedule time to get together with other adults around our work schedules to play MH. Instead I just hop online and create a GAF lobby in freeClobby9. So. Much. More. Convenient.
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Monster Hunter Online (Capcom/Tencent, CryEngine 3) officially announced
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Port begging can be successful. Just look at Dark Souls. PC is now receiving my most favorite series as lead platform development. (Okay Durante helped a lot)
No one ever thought that one day this would happen when you first started playing Demon Souls in 2009 on PS3.
I also never bashed the systems. Owning a Wii myself, I just find them way behind their times and totally useless for solid online play. I still strongly believe that an online MH with clear visibility on Steam would be successful. Steam or bust.
Bjoern the Smexy
Member
There's something SERIOUSLY wrong with port begging...
And this is it.
Port begging is bannable because it derails the topic at hand. This thread is a good example of that.
Well MH4 will have online, so there's that. But asking Capcom to change MH to chase a hypothetical western audience is like asking SE and Armor Project to change Dragon Quest to chase the western RPG market.
Wow, is this serious? Lol. Grow up bro.
If this MH makes it out of China I'll give it a shot. Pretty sure I know how it'll turn out though.
I think this collaboration with Tencent is proof positive that Capcom is willing to change MH to chase a Chinese market. They could springboard into the west from there more readily than anything they can do on the 3DS or Wii U in my opinion.
They're offloading the risk though because they aren't developing this themselves.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
You sound like a child pretending to be an adult.
Im 31, married, have a real life and am friends with plenty of other 30 year olds that have 3DS's and enjoy playing Monster Hunter together.
Hell, my wife has her own 3DS and is working on her own Pink Rathian set.
Handhelds are not for children, theyre a portable gaming device and the social interactions it allows greatly increase the experience.
What are they changing, though? From what we know, the only big things they're adding on top of the normal MH stuff is vehicles for some of the monsters, as well as 24-man raids for the really powerful monsters.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
You absolutely have to realise you're a pretty tiny minority in the world as far as most adults are concerned. Working in/around the games industry immediately skews whatever you may consider "the norm".
If I'm going to get to play multiplayer with most of my friends, its on PC first, and then PS3 second. Portables are just not even a thing amongst us except the very rare occasion when several people I knew had PSP's, and even then that was Adhoc Party time through the PS3. I'll be playing Soul Sacrifice with total randoms online most likely.
Monster Hunter going PC would be the absolute brightest and well aimed shot it ever has of getting big in the west.
ThatObviousUser
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I don't think a PC Monster Hunter in the vein of the main series would be very successful. (On the other hand, a "social"-ized MH could be.) I would say there's a low chance of MHO, if it does come out here, outselling MH3U.
As an avid player of Frontier, I really, really doubt people actually want to play any MH MMO. People bitch up a storm about needing to get 2 rath plates for a weapon in Ultimate. Shit like that is the tip of the iceberg. What about armor having 7 level of upgrade per tier, 5+ tiers, and each level for each piece needing 10 elder scales, 8 elder wings, 10 elder horns, and 2 rubies? Also, to fight the correct type of Elder dragon you need to do a special type of quest which costs tickets to run, and the tickets can only be gotten from another quest which only allows you to use special types of equipment that are mostly horrible, but need craploads of mats? I forgot to mention that the wings horns are only a 20% drop from breaking that part twice? So you're looking AT LEAST 50 runs per piece per upgrade, with 35+ level of upgrade per piece.
MH MMO can be fun, but its not fun in the same way the MH games everyone here enjoys are. Its not going to be Ultimate in an open world and a main town like Ogrimar. I guarantee you that. Its deliciously grindy, and most Mh players are not into that.
MH MMO can be fun, but its not fun in the same way the MH games everyone here enjoys are. Its not going to be Ultimate in an open world and a main town like Ogrimar. I guarantee you that. Its deliciously grindy, and most Mh players are not into that.
This thread deserves a quote from C.S. Lewis
and we can put the discussion of that one particular post to rest and perhaps more into the implications and expectations of this game?
I said my piece, I welcome these game companies courting the Asia market so that the franchises I am keen to play is likely to get more attention and resources put into its subsequent iterations. I'm also being selfish because I can read chinese
and we can put the discussion of that one particular post to rest and perhaps more into the implications and expectations of this game?
I said my piece, I welcome these game companies courting the Asia market so that the franchises I am keen to play is likely to get more attention and resources put into its subsequent iterations. I'm also being selfish because I can read chinese
nephilimdj
Member
Riot Games are working on 2 unannounced games, could easily be one of Tencent projects like this game.
I had heard about how grindy Frontier was, but I had no idea it was that bad. Monster parts required for every armor upgrade level is all kinds of evil.
Going above 4 people by itself is huge. Vehicles will be interesting; maybe it could be some hunts will be in one huge zone. I don't think vehicles will work if the map is divided into multiple zones. Also, if someone else is doing the work of fixing that aspect, I don't think that Capcom would object.
If most of the complaints people have had about MH are going away (by putting in relatively modern graphics, no more zones, having more than 4 people), the game could really become huge, because the game's core is pretty solid.
I forgot to mention, that with few exceptions you NEED to take armor up from Normal > F > FX > HC > HS to upgrade it. Only very few armor sets can be made starting at higher tiers. The ones that do let you do that will punish you by requiring triple the amount of mats for every upgrade.
As I feared for a MMO.
Mainline MH can get grindy but grinding more than that would not be fun at all.
The cash shop shit in Frontier is also completely fucking insane. I COULDNT IMAGINE what it would be like if the game was also F2P. Which everyone here seems to want? I know it would change if brought West, but the cash shop stuff is just so crazy. Im pretty tolerant of IAP stuff and not a guy who yells P2W every time a game sells skins, but holy shit lol. The stuff you can buy with real money in frontier is insane.
Here's some examples of the cash shop in Frontier
Hunter's Course: $14/30 days. Required to do anything relevant in the game. Without it you can't gain exp or fight much of anything except Kut-ku.
Extra Course: $6/30 days. Gives you access to boxes in town (otherwise need to go into private area, PITA), ability to buy additional items (honey, traps, mats for meals, etc), and gathering missions where you can gather 14-16 times per node instead of normal 4-6.
Premium Course: $10/72 hours. Gives you 200% exp, access to premium quests that gives 200-500k z.
Assist Course: $10/72 hours. Gives you a demigod AI partner that uses drinks on you, heals you, plays flutes, deal absolutely crazy damage, can't die, and wake syou up from dizzy/sleep/etc.
BoS Course: $10/72 hours. Gives you another 200% bonus exp, and extra books of secrets for when you are grinding Style Rank. (Another leveling system for each specific weapon that begins at HR 500 and limits the rarity of equipment you can use on quest, gradually being removed as you level up. In return you get some additional moves for each weapon. SR carves are required for high end gear)
Forward Course: $30/72 hours. Lowers damage you take by 60-70%, gives you a 25% damage boost, gives you an extra carve off everything
Cash Shop Armor/weapon sets: $25-30. These are usually around 95% as good as normal armor, but about 100000x easier to upgrade. When you see people in various anime outfits or using weird looking stuff its from here.
Armor/Weapon "Booster Packs": Same as the sets, except you get random tickets for various items int he set, and you need several of each ticket to make / upgrade.
Here's some examples of the cash shop in Frontier
Hunter's Course: $14/30 days. Required to do anything relevant in the game. Without it you can't gain exp or fight much of anything except Kut-ku.
Extra Course: $6/30 days. Gives you access to boxes in town (otherwise need to go into private area, PITA), ability to buy additional items (honey, traps, mats for meals, etc), and gathering missions where you can gather 14-16 times per node instead of normal 4-6.
Premium Course: $10/72 hours. Gives you 200% exp, access to premium quests that gives 200-500k z.
Assist Course: $10/72 hours. Gives you a demigod AI partner that uses drinks on you, heals you, plays flutes, deal absolutely crazy damage, can't die, and wake syou up from dizzy/sleep/etc.
BoS Course: $10/72 hours. Gives you another 200% bonus exp, and extra books of secrets for when you are grinding Style Rank. (Another leveling system for each specific weapon that begins at HR 500 and limits the rarity of equipment you can use on quest, gradually being removed as you level up. In return you get some additional moves for each weapon. SR carves are required for high end gear)
Forward Course: $30/72 hours. Lowers damage you take by 60-70%, gives you a 25% damage boost, gives you an extra carve off everything
Cash Shop Armor/weapon sets: $25-30. These are usually around 95% as good as normal armor, but about 100000x easier to upgrade. When you see people in various anime outfits or using weird looking stuff its from here.
Armor/Weapon "Booster Packs": Same as the sets, except you get random tickets for various items int he set, and you need several of each ticket to make / upgrade.
Sammy Samusu
Member
I wish I could keep checking this thread for news, but this is yet another messy MH discussion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vC4XoCdVAhA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vC4XoCdVAhA
Oh god, they're going to monetize food boosts in this. Pay $5 for a guaranteed Ultra Lucky Cat, or suffer through a .000000001% appearance rate in the boost cycles.
Game is not terrible, it's just not for everybody. 90% of players just do Hunter Life course. You can't play the game like other MH games though. You just need to know that going in. You fight monsters you like fighting and enjoy it for what it is - The deepest and most challenging MH game there is, with the largest selection of monsters and gear. If youre enjoyment of MH is based on being able to finish an armor set in 1 sitting, or go from LR to HR in 1 day, then no, you will not like it at all. If youre really into actually fighting the monsters and enjoy the challenge of when they are made to actually kill you, then the game can be really fun. This is what I meant by it being a fundamentally different experience.
While the portable MH games are a lot of fun, they have their flaws too. I.E. Why does anyone care about getting different elemental weapons or different armor sets when theyre absolutely not needed because the game is over before then, and even if it were not, the challenge is not high enough that you need to pursue small edges like that? Why am I supposed to grind from HR 8 to HR 100 if the game is over the second I do so? This literally makes zero sense to me. Why do people want to grind out getting gold crowns of every monster when there is really no in game reason to do so?
The point I'm trying to make is that each version is fundamentally different as to how the game is structured. If you really enjoy the structure of the portable games, you will NOT like the structure of the MMO. If what you really enjoy is fighting monsters and wish they were tougher so you felt like there was a point to getting different weapons and armor, then you might really enjoy the MMO. I really like Frontier, the only stuff I don't like is the insane cash shop and that the LR/HR armors are too hard to make. I rate those problems on the same level as one sock being slightly shorter than the other.
While the portable MH games are a lot of fun, they have their flaws too. I.E. Why does anyone care about getting different elemental weapons or different armor sets when theyre absolutely not needed because the game is over before then, and even if it were not, the challenge is not high enough that you need to pursue small edges like that? Why am I supposed to grind from HR 8 to HR 100 if the game is over the second I do so? This literally makes zero sense to me. Why do people want to grind out getting gold crowns of every monster when there is really no in game reason to do so?
The point I'm trying to make is that each version is fundamentally different as to how the game is structured. If you really enjoy the structure of the portable games, you will NOT like the structure of the MMO. If what you really enjoy is fighting monsters and wish they were tougher so you felt like there was a point to getting different weapons and armor, then you might really enjoy the MMO. I really like Frontier, the only stuff I don't like is the insane cash shop and that the LR/HR armors are too hard to make. I rate those problems on the same level as one sock being slightly shorter than the other.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Not really fair, so I work in games, so what? I still have plenty of friends who are not in the industry. I attend places were fans of the game congregate (like a Capcom sponsored meetup this weekend) Hell in a lot of cases we had to convince people to give the game a shot, which is not different from a lot of similar situations people have here.
When I was little, games were considered for kids ... whether they were handhelds or not, now theres a whole bunch of 30 year olds who grew up with a NES and THEY think only handheld gaming is for kids? Give me a fucking break, way to miss the entire point. You could argue portable gaming is aimed at people with jobs and responsibilities that dont allow them to sit on a couch for a couple of hours, but I wont because videogames and the systems theyre outputted from are for everybody.
ThatObviousUser
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We got off track with the whole "handhelds aren't for adults thing" but honestly this thread sounds like 3DS fans are poo-pooing the game because it's a F2P MMO made by Tencent. Then when people show they are excited for it, it's dismissed by, "Well no one is going to care because it's not made by Capcom! Who cares about graphics when I'll just be playing MH4!" Someone a moment ago just said that MH is a trophy that everyone wants on their platform and I agree with it. Now that Capcom has gone with 3DS, Nintendo fans are acting as if MH exists in a vacuum where only 3DS is a viable platform now. The more the merrier I say.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Oh wow. Thank you "NeoGaf Worst Post" Twitter for finding me this gem. This may be the worst post of the year so far.
PorygonVandal
Member
He doesn't have friends because he is married.
I think some people are raising some valid concerns about how this game could turn out, especially in light of Frontier's pricing schemes and the rather shaky history of Eastern f2p MMOs in general. I'm always, always skeptical of MMOs, and having one that uses an IP near and dear to my heart for me to realize just how easy it can be to bust it wide open with bad practices applied to existing concepts has me skittish, to say the very least.
Little Green Yoda
Member
That is crazy. Thanks for sharing details about MHF since few of us have experienced it.
This is a thing? :lol
MH threads are the best threads. And I'm not talking about the OTs.
No, it sounds like some Monster Hunter fans are worried because it is a F2P MMO made by Tencent, some Monster Hunter fans are excited about the game, and the rest are people who haven't played a Monster Hunter who would now be able to get a chance.
Then it got derailed into a topic about handhelds.
EDIT: And some people have just written off the game without much reason other than it is a F2P MMO made by Tencent without even playing the game.
Karsticles
Member
Holy shit, I knew none of this. I used to think I was missing out.
You have got to be fucking kidding me.
How do people like you exist?
WHY do people like you exist?
Insecurity.
Baller. PhD
Banned
What about my post makes you think "insecurity?" I have both a 3DS and a Vita and transfer my MH3U save between portable and Wii U. That's all fine and dandy assuming that there's a Wii U version to begin with. So far MH4 is 3DS-only, and if there ever is a Wii U version it'll likely be another half-assed handheld port.
I don't know what fairy tale world you guys live in where you know grown adults who play handheld gaming systems, but here in the real world that's not a thing. I'm pretty sure my friends wouldn't even know what a 3DS was if I showed mine to them. Only us nerds have this shit. PS3 though? They're pros. I understand that Japan isn't like that, but fuck, MH will never take off in the west until Capcom gives it a chance to take off in the west. This recycling of handheld garbage is what's keeping the series down over here. It absolutely has the potential to be just as big a success here. The formula is sound. Capcom just needs to give a shit.
I fail to see what handhend vs console vs PC has to do with a thread about MH Online. How come no one is really talking about this actual game? I'm a little worried that Capcom isn't actually developing it. Though I don't think its as big of a deal as people mention. Why? Because what does Capcom really know when it comes to making MH as an MMO? I'd argue they aren't experts when it comes to that, and TenCent might actually have more knowledge there. What are people so wirried about with the different developer? They are copying 90% of the movesets, monsters, and armor designs, so it looks like the core of the game is already there. What's up in the air is the MMO aspects of MH, and honestly that is what will make or break this game for the established audience. The established audience is already sold on the core of MH gameplay, theyre just cautious about the MMO aspect and/or cash shop model.
I'll definitely give this game a try, even if that means playing it in Chinese on VPN.
I'll definitely give this game a try, even if that means playing it in Chinese on VPN.
Because you feel the need to constantly put down handhelds as childish in order to seem more like an "adult", which is exactly what teenagers do. The fact that so many people in this thread vehemently disagree with you should raise some flags no? Just because you're friends don't know what a 3DS is doesn't mean you can extrapolate that to everyone else. But this thread of discussion digresses from the topic.
Yes, Capcom needs to give a shit. Game is dense and obscuring and they're made (and translated) with the expectation that people know what they're doing. Capcom's pretty dumb like that no arguments from me.
They looked good to me.
Baller. PhD
Banned
You're misunderstanding me. I'm not "putting down" handhelds by calling them childish, I'm just saying that children are their primary market. This may not have been the case 10 years ago, but in the age of smartphones it absolutely is.
Also, GAF's opinions aren't representative of those of the actual populace. If they were nobody would buy CoD games, Skyrim wouldn't have won 10,000 GOTY awards and Day 1 DLC would never happen. It doesn't matter if a bunch of gaffers love their handhelds. Most people don't bother with them. The most common users of handhelds are children. That's just the way it is.
I think the "Online or GTFO. HD or GTFO" coloured the reception of "Handhelds are for children.". You'd see why someone would think you're frothing at the mouth. "The appeal of this mythical "local" co-op disappears once you get married and start a real life." also sounds really condescending.
Be careful with your wording next time so people won't misunderstand you.
Same deal here in my back of the woods. Not a single actual, physical person in my group of friends with a portable game system, let alone a 3DS, nevermind a 3DS with monster hunter. I also echo the sentiment that recycled game assets from portable versions are holding the game back, and that it's starting to get real old. Hence the excitement for fresh looking monhun HD shots, obviously.
That being said, I'm still enjoying the shit out of 3U. But a generational leap in visual fidelity, and/or more than just incremental baby steps in game systems would be more than welcome for upcoming games.
Gamer @ Heart
Member
Jesus christ. I thought I was jealous too. Are most of the big asian mmos this way?
Haha, I knew people would freak out about the cash shop stuff. Though, I don't understand why people think bad cash shop = bad game. They are not related, the game isn't balanced around cash shop. I find the cash shop gross, but I don't understand where the jump from gross cash shop ->> bad game comes from.