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Major Nelson/MS issues an official statement regarding Used Games on XBox One

alr1ght

bish gets all the credit :)
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Spartaner

Banned
Problem is, when Microsoft stops surporting that "console"(ie Killing off Xbox live Support for Xbone), all it's games die with it. That's the Bullshit I don't want to pay for.

they can deactivate the online activation whenever they want so i assume its like the steam killswitch.
 
They just fucking EDITED my comment on that post and I am one of the few people that was relatively happy with the reveal.... but saddened by their inability to communicate

FUCK THEM.

Fuck them to hell.


CAN SOMEONE MAKE ME AN AVATAR WITH 'GET TO FUCK' ON IT INSTEAD OF ONLY ON XBOX?
 
What if someone steals your game?
They can just activate it on your their account and it deletes from yours?

I guess you'd be SOL anyway, since the disc code is tied to your account. You'd have to get another one anyway.


to be fair, the same will happen with a non DRM disc. going by the suggested program, you should be able to to know which account activated your disc and catch the thief.
 

chubigans

y'all should be ashamed
They just fucking EDITED my comment on that post and I am one of the few people that was relatively happy with the reveal.... but saddened by their inability to communicate

FUCK THEM.

Fuck them to hell.

Whoa whoa whoa, seriously? What was your comment?
 

JCreasy

Member
They just fucking EDITED my comment on that post and I am one of the few people that was relatively happy with the reveal.... but saddened by their inability to communicate

FUCK THEM.

Fuck them to hell.

Wow, seriously?

How did they edit it? Can you show us the original and then their version?
 

Spartaner

Banned
They just fucking EDITED my comment on that post and I am one of the few people that was relatively happy with the reveal.... but saddened by their inability to communicate

FUCK THEM.

Fuck them to hell.


CAN SOMEONE MAKE ME AN AVATAR WITH 'GET TO FUCK' ON IT INSTEAD OF ONLY ON XBOX?

this is where you draw the line ? seriously ? lmao im dying here
 

madmackem

Member
They just fucking EDITED my comment on that post and I am one of the few people that was relatively happy with the reveal.... but saddened by their inability to communicate

FUCK THEM.

Fuck them to hell.


CAN SOMEONE MAKE ME AN AVATAR WITH 'GET TO FUCK' ON IT INSTEAD OF ONLY ON XBOX?

No way, i hate that shit.
 

commedieu

Banned
They just fucking EDITED my comment on that post and I am one of the few people that was relatively happy with the reveal.... but saddened by their inability to communicate

FUCK THEM.

Fuck them to hell.


CAN SOMEONE MAKE ME AN AVATAR WITH 'GET TO FUCK' ON IT INSTEAD OF ONLY ON XBOX?

lol what did you say?

this is where you draw the line ? seriously ? lmao im dying here

Right? Editing his consumer rights wasn't an issue.. but how dare they edit his fucking comment.
 
Microsoft has until E3 to release their official policy. Otherwise, people will watch the E3 conference for official information regarding the policy rather than for seeing Xbone capabilities and games.
 

MYeager

Member
You own a license for its use though.

Yes, but most specify the exact uses of that license. For example, Rockstar's EULA states:


LICENSE. Subject to this Agreement and its terms and conditions, Licensor hereby grants you the nonexclusive, non-transferable, limited right and license to use one copy of the Software for your personal non-commercial use for gameplay on a single computer or gaming unit, unless otherwise specified in the Software documentation
 
K

kittens

Unconfirmed Member
Our policies are bad, but you don't understand how bad yet, so quit jumping to conclusions.
Haha, that's pretty much exactly how I read it. I really hope MS back tracks on this, preferably making some loose commitment to *not* implement this shit in the future of the console, too. I'd love to want the Xbox One, but this crap makes it a lot harder.
 
MS: we have a offical announcement to make! X1 WILL allow used games! Please be happy!

That's pretty much what he's trying to do. Fishing for good headlines while completely dodging the topic. We KNOW it can play used games. We are just waiting for you to be honest about the fees and policies assholes. Phil already let it out the bag.
 

MisterC20XX

Member
This is the most uninformative official statement I have ever seen in my life. I feel like we're in some strange bizzaro world or something.
 
Wow, seriously?

How did they edit it? Can you show us the original and then their version?

I can't go back, the disqus thing they use won't let you.

It basically said that they just need to be upfront and I followed that up by saying they used to be better than this and that every website I go on they are getting destroyed... I also suggested they use social media monitoring (well, asked why the hell they weren't) as that basically lets you see the number of conversations about your brand in general whether they are positive or negative in tone.

Anyone in marketing can access that.

I also mentioned that every website I go on they are getting destroyed in the comments and that they should simply trust their audience enough to be upfront and state what is going on... if the reports are wrong then explain why, even if it means you have the say parts are still being worked out.


Anyway. Fuck them.
 

UberTag

Member
They just fucking EDITED my comment on that post and I am one of the few people that was relatively happy with the reveal.... but saddened by their inability to communicate

FUCK THEM.

Fuck them to hell.
Wow, you've been an outspoken Xbox backer and they elected to censor your voice and post you saying something completely different.

They clearly don't value your opinion at all. I bet that makes you feel something awful.
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Ghostofst4rm4n

Neo Member
I wish they would just say that it's going to be the same as on the 360. This means that it isn't though, doesn't it?

Someone tell me it's all going to be fine and we can all love Microsoft again!

I promise, on Peter Dinklage, that it's all going to be alright. E3 is not to far away.
It can't all be bad. Right?

Johnny Five IS alive. Isn't that enough?
 
Yes, but most specify the exact uses of that license. For example, Rockstar's EULA states:


LICENSE. Subject to this Agreement and its terms and conditions, Licensor hereby grants you the nonexclusive, non-transferable, limited right and license to use one copy of the Software for your personal non-commercial use for gameplay on a single computer or gaming unit, unless otherwise specified in the Software documentation
And yeah, when challenged that can go many ways. I expect those aspects of license ownership to change quite a bit over time. Its inevitable.
 
You haven't read an EULA on a game you've purchased in the last few years then. They'll agree you own the disk is on and box the game came in, but not the code on the disk.

If you're talking about that code is copyrighted, that's entirely different from not being allowed to sell what you purchased, which is a copy of the game.

And as for PC games and Steam and such, yes, I very much hope that Steam eventually bends on this and adds some way to sell games you've purchased. It's a quite plausible hope, too. Full rights? Yeah, probably not, and that's really too bad, and is a reason why I virtually never buy digital-download games for anything other than deep sales... but more, so that we have at least the key right of resale? I think it will happen for PC DD games eventually. Consoles, however, are heading straight in the other direction, and if MS succeeds in this it'll be a major step towards institutionalizing that.
 

commedieu

Banned
I can't go back, the disqus thing they use won't let you.

It basically said that they just need to be upfront and I followed that up by saying they used to be better than this and that every website I go on they are getting destroyed... I also suggested they use social media monitoring (well, asked why the hell they weren't) as that basically lets you see the number of conversations about your brand in general whether they are positive or negative in tone.

Anyone in marketing can access that.

I also mentioned that every website I go on they are getting destroyed in the comments and that they should simply trust their audience enough to be upfront and state what is going on... if the reports are wrong then explain why, even if it means you have the say parts are still being worked out.


Anyway. Fuck them.
Whats yer user name? I have an old browser opened from when the story first started.
 

chubigans

y'all should be ashamed
I can't go back, the disqus thing they use won't let you.

It basically said that they just need to be upfront and I followed that up by saying they used to be better than this and that every website I go on they are getting destroyed... I also suggested they use social media monitoring (well, asked why the hell they weren't) as that basically lets you see the number of conversations about your brand in general whether they are positive or negative in tone.

Anyone in marketing can access that.

I also mentioned that every website I go on they are getting destroyed in the comments and that they should simply trust their audience enough to be upfront and state what is going on... if the reports are wrong then explain why, even if it means you have the say parts are still being worked out.


Anyway. Fuck them.
That is nuts. Especially considering all of the other comments that are popping up.
 

B.O.O.M

Member
Well in another xbone-headed move they continue to bring it up every day so it just pours fuel on the fire over and over.

lol exactly! I mean pre-reveal when there were rumors flying around and when people were complaining about those rumors, them keeping silent actually helped calm things down a bit. Now it's every damn day...live chat with copy-paste answers + interview answers + PR releases refuting those interview answers etc etc. It's a train wreck. These people had months and months to prepare for this too
 
Their PR clarified the XBOX could be used offline/wasn't always on, but we learned about the huge invisible asterisk on that statement Tuesday, didn't we?
 
They just fucking EDITED my comment on that post and I am one of the few people that was relatively happy with the reveal.... but saddened by their inability to communicate

FUCK THEM.

Fuck them to hell.


CAN SOMEONE MAKE ME AN AVATAR WITH 'GET TO FUCK' ON IT INSTEAD OF ONLY ON XBOX?
What did you post, and what did they edit it to?
 

alr1ght

bish gets all the credit :)
I can't go back, the disqus thing they use won't let you.

It basically said that they just need to be upfront and I followed that up by saying they used to be better than this and that every website I go on they are getting destroyed... I also suggested they use social media monitoring (well, asked why the hell they weren't) as that basically lets you see the number of conversations about your brand in general whether they are positive or negative in tone.

Anyone in marketing can access that.

I also mentioned that every website I go on they are getting destroyed in the comments and that they should simply trust their audience enough to be upfront and state what is going on... if the reports are wrong then explain why, even if it means you have the say parts are still being worked out.


Anyway. Fuck them.

Edited or deleted? There's a huge difference if they changed what you said and deleting it.
 

zroid

Banned
A meaningless statement designed in attempt to pacify angered consumers. I'm not going to give them the benefit of any doubts. Prove me wrong, Microsoft. I'll be listening.
 

artist

Banned
They just fucking EDITED my comment on that post and I am one of the few people that was relatively happy with the reveal.... but saddened by their inability to communicate

FUCK THEM.

Fuck them to hell.


CAN SOMEONE MAKE ME AN AVATAR WITH 'GET TO FUCK' ON IT INSTEAD OF ONLY ON XBOX?
What was your original comment and what was their edit?
 
Microsofts entire reveal was a failure. That is Microsoft dropping the ball. They released muddled information, contradicting information, and wouldn't answer questions about the issues they raised. I don't think any part of his post suggested Sony wouldn't do this. Sony had "Draconian DRM" however SOny has said that users will specifically be able to enjoy their console, without internet, because some places don't have internet. Thats more definitive than anything microsofts said in the past 72 hours.

There are smart ways to do things, Microsoft is showing how to 100% do it wrong. From the announcement to dealing with the announcement, and here again, an OFFICIAL announcement saying absolutely nothing. Sony didn't tell gamers to fuck off until E3, and to not bother watching.

Publishers are doing just fine with DRM on consoles/PC. Sure, there is room to improve, but not at the cost of the Customer, which MS isn't factoring in. They turned their back on an entire demographic with spotty/not as robust internet.

dramatic much?

I wasn't expecting to be shown games until E3 honestly. The way they revealed XBO on tuesday free's up E3 to be 90% about the games.

Sony is being very very quiet, I'd be more concerned about that then the company thats actually trying to be forthcoming about their next gen plans.
 
I don't think it's a matter of MS being dishonest, they just literally don't know how the fuck it all works either (except that it won't work the same as it does now). From their perspective, they should've used this type of response from the beginning, as opposed to the conflicting reports. After all, it's not like the system is out yet, so they still have wiggle room anyway.

Certainly fascinating to watch though.
 
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