Andronicus
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meh. its how far from launch?
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XBOX ONE Reveal: UI faked from the start. Very choppy, and CBoaT
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SneakyStephan
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Weren't you part of the secret sauce and a whole bunch of other fake rumors guy before the ps4 reveal?
DagnastyEp
Member
If 900 GFLOPS for gaming, then that would mean clocks went from 800ghz to 650 for the GPU (768x650x2 = 998GFLOPS, 90%for games = 898GFLOPS). 150ghz drop is Huge! That's nearly a 20% drop in clock speeds. I would believe a 50ghz, maybe 100, but 150ghz almost sounds too big of a drop to be true.
BomberMouse
Member
This is the best thing out of that video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifa9Q7ATfVA&t=1m8s
...you are drunk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifa9Q7ATfVA&t=1m8s
...you are drunk
i dunno 650GHz for a GPU is seriously impressive to me
-Pyromaniac-
Member
thuway is the solid one I'm pretty sure
Yeah, me too. If that occurs, I hope someone spills the beans. I'm fascinated as to how all this could have happened. It seems like they're dead set on being out this fall, even though they may want to wait a few months, especially with rumors of games and toolsets being behind. Still, the power is still the least of the console's concerns, it would basically be PS2 versus Xbox again, except this time the more powerful one also the bandwidth advantage.
It's close to going into production (well, should be if they want to do a worldwide 2013).
As far as the rumours go - just keep this in mind guys: every console maker goes through this process and similar growing pains prior to launch with their alpha hardware. Every.
Doesn't mean the final product will reflect these changes. It could. But these types of rumblings don't normally make it out to the public (and sometimes they do - see the 360, PS3, and Wii U - same situations).
mysteriousmage09
Member
HAHAHA this is too much.
He had a few missteps.
your job will be done by the time we know anyway, so its not like you are risking much.
PhoenixDark
Banned
"I don't remember what channel football is on"
lol
lol
SenjutsuSage
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Nope, I don't speak nearly as often on here about what I know for certain on the new Xbox. In fact, I try not to be the subject of any leaks, because I'd more or less be betraying someone's trust, but in the case of this most recent thing about a downclock of the GPU, I literally begged permission to say definitively that it's absolutely not true.
The only thing that's true is that they are having a bit of a headache with the ESRAM. THAT is certainly true, but (all speculation after this) I think that's more down to the manufacturing difficulty of the ESRAM and yields, not actually using a finished and working version of the GPU for software related purposes.
LOL. Nice dig
Just some crazy buttocks on a train.
Hmm? If this is true I wonder what caused it.
Edit:
Ok don't know how I missed the last bit.
He quoted thuway, not Senjutsu.
SneakyStephan
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How did he avoid the banhammer then? I know mods came down hard on some other bullshit rumors spreaders, I know he was banned for other reasons at that time maybe he got lucky
Not really. Most next gen engines are scalable and they can just not aim for 1080p. XBO supposedly has a pretty nice scaler chip that would help with being sub-1080.
How did he avoid the banhammer then? I know mods came down hard on some other bullshit rumors spreaders, I know he was banned for other reasons at that time maybe he got lucky
Whoops. Could have sworn he quoted someone else. Thuway has been damn reliable and not a part of the secret sauce stuff. The only thing he was wrong about was dimensions for the PS4 and he owned up to that fast.
Needing more available resources for the other parts of the OS.
Stone Ocean
Member
Isn't that the advantage of similar architectures though?
Can't they just tune up the games easily for the PS4 versions?
That's great to hear
.I guess it depends on the TDP curve as it relates to clock speed. That much of a drop may have been necessary to get the power and heat to drop to an acceptable level.
I've heard the same about the ESRAM (as I shared with another poster who mentioned as such in this thread), and truthfully I think that's where all of the yield issues are coming from. Whether they need to downclock something to improve yields is a different story, but MS' APU is much more complicated and required a lot more engineers at AMD/ATI for a reason.
yeah, its made the next gen console wars deadly boring. It's like watching man u v queens park.
Glorified G
Member
Ok, who doesn't have inside info at this point?
The more powerful one would also be launching at the same time as the weaker one. This was definitely not the case with the PS2 and Xbox.
The clicker thing was speculation, and if MS wasn't trying to hide it, then why didn't he just have the clicker out in the open instead of hidden in his pocket?
Crimson_Gold
Member
even the wii u has 32MB of embedded ESRAM...
downclocking the GPU wouldn't make any sense if the ESRAM is causing yield problems
and if the CPU or GPU sections of the chip are causing any issues then expect to see the same from sony, they're using the same architecture, chip foundry, and even roughly similar die sizes
Correct. However Sony's pretty much good to go at this point, pre-manufacture. (edit: and their APU is much less complicated - ie no ESRam). We'll see how their manufacture goes over the next couple months.
Ah, thank christ. I want to be able to legitimately anticipate the Xbox One at some point if Microsoft decides to step away from their anti-consumer nonsense, and this rumour was going to fucking kill even that possibility at this point lol
I wasn't talking sales, just specs.
IHaveCandy
Banned
That's an actual user or just talking about hype trains?
..he says right there it was to improve yields
Yeah this is what bugs me as well. That part was really unneeded and dishonest.
Yes, companies may do stuff like this all the time. Its not acceptable. And if they get caught in the act, they absolutely deserve criticism. If not, well lucky them. Still a slimy thing to do, especially since they were putting so much emphasis and marketing PR bullshit on it.
nhlducks35
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Isn't that eDRAM?
How did he avoid the banhammer then? I know mods came down hard on some other bullshit rumors spreaders, I know he was banned for other reasons at that time maybe he got lucky
Thuway's a cool guy. He's mod approved; and as to my knowledge, wasn't in the 'secret sauce' gang
Infinite Justice
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the former
that doesn't mean anything when it comes to the SoC, both of them are using TSMC to make the chips so manufacturing readiness is all on them. if there's issues with the design in their foundry it will affect both.
sony might be in a better position when it comes to devkits, software, server backends, game cert, and/or platform specific manufacturing (controllers, kinect, etc)
3rdamention
Member
Yes he has good sources and doesnt play games with Gaffers....He was right about several of the new console details before they were leaked or revealed...Hes reputable...
captscience
Member
How would a problem in yields concerning ESRAM necessitate a drop in clock rate on the GPU? Wouldn't heat generally be the issue that would cause a drop in clock?
Insane Metal
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James Sawyer Ford
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Couldn't down clocking help though? It's just one gigantic APU, so the eSRAM is on the same chip as the GPU. Some of that heat is going to dissipate onto the eSRAM portion and could cause problems.
Don't know. There's not really an easy "just use 7 of the 8 SPEs" like with the Cell, as far as I know. Granted, I'm far from an expert on ESRAM.