seventynine
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It would be the publisher that hands down that decree.
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TRUTHFACT: MS having eSRAM yield problems on Xbox One
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Too reasonable and non console warriorish?
So is it sourced info or are you bullshitting? You have yet to clarify. I will continue to ask this until you answer.
intheinbetween
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lol, I'm afraid I couldn't count them with the fingers of one of my hands
Some numbers are known you are right, whether they are the correct numbers is unknown.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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Didnt someone say a couple weeks back that some xbone multi games would end running at 30FPS and 60FPS on PS4?
I wonder if it was related to this.
I wonder if it was related to this.
It does matter though. It affects games development. That really isn't a matter of opinion.
What's worrying for me is that the xbone has very similar components to the ps4 and it's ridiculously large, and still has heating issues. The ps4 is even more powerful and runs at a higher clock rate, that either means the ps4 well also be a similar size or have a smaller, louder fan to reduce the size.
And I bet those rumours of some games potentially having to run at 60fps on ps4 and 30fps on xbone are false. The ps4 isn't that much powerful, I bet the xbone will just Lee the resolution from 1080p to like 960p or use less post processing to get it to 60fps.
And I bet those rumours of some games potentially having to run at 60fps on ps4 and 30fps on xbone are false. The ps4 isn't that much powerful, I bet the xbone will just Lee the resolution from 1080p to like 960p or use less post processing to get it to 60fps.
Sony had cell yield problems with the ps3, and coupled with the money in the r&d , that affected profitability majorly.
If these rumors are true, Microsoft, you have a major issue that is going to cost you a lot.
P.S. Learn from Sony and ps3, that launch should be a business study of what not to do, and seems MS copied all of what not to do into their what to do.
If these rumors are true, Microsoft, you have a major issue that is going to cost you a lot.
P.S. Learn from Sony and ps3, that launch should be a business study of what not to do, and seems MS copied all of what not to do into their what to do.
you are confusing his comments. His opinion was how he felt about other things people are attacking him for...
His comment on this rumor was always based on a source... Go back to the beginning and read it all again.
Terrordactyl
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You cant be serious. A bit of a difference when its two radically different architectures.
fatgamecat
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I really hope this doesn't end up impacting PS4 and PC graphics quality.
Disappointing news all around even if you never planned on buying a nextbox.
Disappointing news all around even if you never planned on buying a nextbox.
Hardware is a numbers game.
krypt0nian
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Even before this new rumor, just comparing relative GPUs available on the market showed a doubling of frame rates was possible. Add today's "news" and you may seriously want to recant.
Snapshot King
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Considering those same publishers gladly let certain versions of games this gen run better or worse than others, and especially back in the ps2/xbox1 days where you had stuff where the ps2 version would do 480p and the Xbox version would have a better framerate at 720p, I find the idea that MS could pay publishers to actively tone down their own products utterly outlandish.
Thunder Monkey
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Like I said they will raise the baseline of development, but aside from just bare ports they should run at parity with hardware on shelves already, and better than within the first year. Both XOne and PS4 are already using hardware very similar to PC hardware, but weaker. Top end GPU's alone already have the processing power of the entirety of the PS4. By the end of this year multiples of that and next year more still.
IHaveCandy
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Is this idea not feasible?
Would be nice if he clarified it so that there's no confusion. He didn't say anything about 'other people attacking him' when he said that line.
was a response to
M°°nblade;61343789 said:
After this exchange he began saying he has a source:
Evolution_1ne
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what is that suppose to mean, you do know they have two of the highest selling consoles of all time, and the PS3 has surpassed the 360 in world wide total shipments
they are not launching under any of the disadvantages they had to overcome this gen and that knowing that they did overcome those disadvantages, this is Sony Sony's gen to lose, period.
fatgamecat
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Unified RAM pool is one of the big performance advantages consoles can have over PCs, which are more modular at the cost of performance.
Dude, if the rumors turn out to be true the Xbox and PS4 aren't even going to be in the same ballpark when it comes to power.
Saying that I fully expect Sony to start waffling on about Suns and crabs with massive damage which all have to get another job to even touch their machine to cock up their momentum, but that's Sony. That shit must be coming at some point.
That is not happening, what leverage does MS have to make such demands? PS3 multiplatform versions ran worse and sometimes looked worse because the 360 was the lead platform and PS3 was notoriously difficult to develop for, developers got a 800 page guide to develop games on the PS3 written in Japanese thrown on their desks, while the 360 had the familiar, 20-year old architecture.
Third parties gain nothing from appeasing MS, why would they even entertain this idea? Their business is about making the best games, selling the most copies by pushing their developers to do their best, not artificially limiting them to help some other company for no other reason than...i dont know, good will?
Acheteedo
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You're missing half a sentence there somewhere, a bit of difference in what?
yes in response to being told that he's too pro Xbox... And he said... That's my opinion to be excited for Xbox... He then wrote a post after that clearly defining a source and the source's info and offered to confer with a mod on the source... I'm posting on my phone so pita to dig it up but go back a page
The philosophy behind the xb1 seems to be trying to make consumers want a product rather than making a product you know consumers want. It's inherently difficult to accurately predict how well something like the xb1 will do because I don't think we've really seen anything quite like it before.
Of course there are many factors surrounding success other than specs. Marketing, price, manufacturing, etc., are all things that can potentially make or break MS and Sony. Sony is playing their cards safer in terms of design but it just seems much more sensible than the choices MS has made. Of course only time will tell, and all our expectations could potentially be turned upside down in less than a week.
seventynine
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I absolutely agree.
But such a suggestion would come from publisher, not the developer. As per the comment I quoted.
IHaveCandy
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Unified for GPU and CPU. The 4GB of GDDR5 could still be unified. The 3 GB would just be partitioned for the other OS.
iamvin22
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CosmicGroinPull
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Man, I love this. New 'insider' pops up, seems very level-headed. Gaffer points to strong bias in 'insider''s post history, said 'insider''s facade cracks a little, starts getting a little personal.
Well, whatever the case is, I hope for the sake of multiplatform games, it's not true.
Well, whatever the case is, I hope for the sake of multiplatform games, it's not true.
Evolution_1ne
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two different memory types of that size would be negative for yields no? how complicated would that motherboard be
Too reasonable and non console warriorish?
But, rest assured, I'm not changing my view to conform to however you guys think I should talk. My very first post on this forum was one saying that it doesn't matter if the PS4 is a stronger console than the Xbox One, and said more or less exactly what I said here, albeit in a longer way.
No, that is not at all reasonable.
Nearly anything is powerful enough to make what would be termed an "incredible game"!
You can not claim that a system is powerful without taking into account how it matches up to it's peers like the PS4!
People believe that the XB1 has at most 2/3rds the GPU power of the PS4 (at least before the info in this thread) based off the leaked specs of the systems (that seem to be turning out true), if you do not think what has been shown by the leaked specs conforms to a GPU that is 2/3rds as powerful at best then you should remove your self from posting in threads like this due to your lack of logic and understanding of computer hardware.
Nikodemos
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According to relatively recent sales numbers, they're currently neck-and-neck. Though, given the PS3's gargantuan starting handicaps (a year late and a whole lot of dollars short) that's still highly impressive.
krypt0nian
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He's not new and has no history of being an insider. What he does have a history of is being pointed out.
It really doesn't matter that he 'offers' to confer with a mod. Read that exchange between him and the other poster that I quoted. There was no attacking his enthusiasm for the xbox - it was pointing out his history of attacking 'the math' as it pertained to discussions before as well as questioning where he's getting his info from. How can you not see that? If he gets credibility just for 'offering' to confer with a mod, then BY GOLLY GEE we should all believe him! No really, I would LOVE for a mod to take him up on that offer.
IHaveCandy
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I know. I'm just asking why not do that from the start.
SenjutsuSage
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Seriously, junior, go to hell. I've been contacted already on the issue by a mod and have given the reason for my comment. People like you are clearly only interested in playing silly games and trolling. I was actually taking the time to clarify some stuff on here and make it clear that this isn't some random opinion or statement that I tossed out there with no reason for doing so. I've made it clear already that it came from someone that I feel is especially trustworthy on this matter, and that it was more than enough reason for me to be able to say with confidence that this downclock business isn't true.
And because I believe the person to be a reliable source, I went so far as to say that if I'm wrong, I'd be more than willing to accept the consequences that come with that. Comments made by me were in the OP of this thread, so I thought I'd come in and stand by and take responsibility for what I said, as opposed to trying to run and hide from my statements.
And with that I'm done. Because clearly a lot of people in this thread have one purpose, and one purpose only.
IHaveCandy
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I may be totally wrong on this, but I thought RAM was the simplest part of designing these consoles.
Waldo Lydecker
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Somebody should ask Jeff_Rigby about this!
Neko Mimi Mode
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As opposed to the sources spreading this FUD who have a history of being wrong.
Well that's how GAF works man... They probably will. I'm not defending his info just that he was clear in referencing a source from the beginning and his "opinion" was addressing the attacks.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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this unfortunately, at least at first.
On the plus side, increasing framerate tends to require less extra work.
krypt0nian
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Wouldn't this affect OS calls? You have one fast RAM pool and one slow RAM pool. Not to mention you add copy overhead when you have to transfer everything from RAM to VRAM (or "OS RAM" to "Game RAM" if you like).
APUs benefit greatly from unified memory pools.
You can't be serious. It's always important and more in this case, when PS4 has apparently all the advantages (more developer friendly, more easy to develop for, more power, more ram).
I think it's very relevant and could be very harmful if Xbox lose the advantage they had this gen: was easy to develop for and multi games looked better most times.
Oh hi, nice rank-calling going on there. The catch is I'm not the one making contradictory claims. Oh you've been contacted? Great. There's no way for us to know so that really doesn't help your case. You haven't made jack shit clear, you responded to a poster calling you out for your source by telling him to essentially fuck off because you're "allowed to have an opinion".
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M°°nblade;61343789 said:
You've been quite keen to avoid this after being called out, and now that you finally have to address it you're pulling the rank card and basically telling me to shut up. Yeah, that sure convinced everyone!
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