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[Dunlop]

I keep seeing people with the "Only on Xbox" logo on their avatars defend the Xbox One and then get factually corrected in lots of different Xbox One threads... Please don't tell me we're going to see this go on all year. I hate having to associate everyone with "Only on Xbox" avatars as blind supporters

I agree, it is so much better to join the Sony circle jerk that is taking place on this site instead.

Imagine the audacity of people trying to engage in debate about a platform they are interested in!

I guess we'll find out more about this in the coming months

 

[Drek]

Not sure how anyone can say this is complete bullshit consider the OP and follow-ups read like a who's who of NeoGAF insiders.

Many of whom where big believers in the "special sauce". Thuway and Proelite have never had an ax to grind against the new Xbox.

 

[Nikodemos]

That's absurd. Microsoft has many more billions in its "piggybank" than Sony could ever dream of.

I was talking compartmentalisation (though I'm not sure MS uses it). Sony's console division has been a net-positive asset, apart for the very last one. With proper management, it's quite likely to become net-positive again.

MS's console division has never been net-positive. Until now, the losses were explained as necessary to establish MS as a player, with the more recent goal of becoming an ubiquitous household item, along with the fridge and the vacuum (in the USA, at least). If the newest strategic push for the living room via "it only does everything" fails, I can see people qustioning the very existence of a console division (since it brought neither bacon, nor mindspace).

 

[twobear]

Contrary to popular belief, just because MS has billions doesn't mean they're going to throw billions after billions to any one product team(s).

But that doesn't mean they are willing waste money on what is essentially a little side project for them. Sony seem to be more invested in video games

But do they want to spend those billions propping up the XB1? MS doesn't generally stick with a failure indefinitely. They move on to the next product.

That's a different issue tho, Leona was taking issue with the idea that MS doesn't have a piggybank, not the idea that that they would definitely prop up the XB1 indefinitely if they needed to.

I agree with you all, MS won't prop up XB1 if it gets trashed, and I don't think they would release another console either.

 

[Raide]

But do they want to spend those billions propping up the XB1? MS doesn't generally stick with a failure indefinitely. They move on to the next product.

The 360 will keep them rolling for a good while, especially with price drop+ rumored 360 mini. Can MS make up ground? End of the day its the games that will convince and nobody has really seen anything. Yield issues, OS stuff faked, GPU underclocked etc etc. Who cares if it makes good games?

Seriously, wait one week and see what they announce and see if the underclocked GPU rumors make 1 iota of difference to a 1st party exclusive. Feel free to fill GAF full of MS hate threads if they get to E3 and show a load of shit. Hell, I will join in! I don't care who makes the games, just make the games I want to play. Its anyone game at this point! MS, Nintendo and Sony have to impress.

 

[RayMaker]

If true what will it mean for games?

PS4 fifa 2014 @ 1080p 60fps
X1 fifa @ 900p @ 30fps

PS4 Watchdogs @ 1080p 30fps
X1 Watchdogs @ 720p 30fps

PS4 BF4 @ 1080P 30FPS
X1 BF4 @ 720P 30FPS

 

[gcubed]

This is going to be such an odd generation for consoles because you have 2 near identical PC architectures with different scales of power. Devs should have a much easier time adapting performance across systems without hampering one because of the other.

I expect PC gaming to be the largest benefactor of this generation.

 

[DecoyOctopus]

So gaming won't be about graphics on Xbox One too, good news, always liked innovation over eye candy.

I...can't...

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[Can Crusher]

I don't think the power difference is significant enough for that. Consider 1080p is more than double the pixels of 720p. At most, it'd either be frame rate or resolution (or perhaps the One gets a resolution somewhere between 1080p and 720p)

I would be surprised if Xbox One can even offer any sort of capable performance at 1080p in the long run, unless many concessions are made to reach that rez.

Pretty soon games will be running lower rez and with worse performance on Xbox One vs Ps4. I give it one, two years tops.

 

[DC1]

Dude, if the rumors turn out to be true the Xbox and PS4 aren't even going to be in the same ballpark when it comes to power.

Saying that I fully expect Sony to start waffling on about Suns and crabs with massive damage which all have to get another job to even touch their machine to cock up their momentum, but that's Sony. That shit must be coming at some point.

I will respectfully disagree with you, Sony appears to be (and appears to continue) riding the perfect storm to the finish line at a pacers jog.

It sounds like you are waiting for Sony to drop a shoe (Cant say I blame you.. everything looks so darn good right now).

... just want to let you know that I'm not trying to get scratched.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Many of whom where big believers in the "special sauce". Thuway and Proelite have never had an ax to grind against the new Xbox.

Thuway was banned for teasing nonsense and posting speculation that all Xbox E3 demos would be downgraded as fact.

 

[Impeccable]

If true what will it mean for games?

Realistically people will claim they'll code to the lowest common denominator and I would have agreed if the original specs were confirmed outside of slight differences like this generation.

If this is true (and it most likely is) then I have no idea what to expect. I'm hoping the PS4 doesn't get shackled.

 

[Durante]

If true what will it mean for games?

Most likely: (even) lower resolution / image quality in XB1 titles compared to PS4. Maybe more framedrops in GPU-limited situations. Framerate (target) differences are unlikely, CPU performance is too similar.

 

[Leona Lewis]

That's a different issue tho, Leona was taking issue with the idea that MS doesn't have a piggybank, not the idea that that they would definitely prop up the XB1 indefinitely if they needed to.

I agree with you all, MS won't prop up XB1 if it gets trashed, and I don't think they would release another console either.

Yeah, the original wording made it seem like it would be an issue of pure financial capability, absent any strategy.

But as an issue of will, Microsoft is indeed the most likely of the big 3 to just walk away if things so sour. They make most of their profits in other divisions, and as Zune and Kin showed, aren't exactly stubborn about championing duds.

 

[bigbaldwolf86]

The 360 will keep them rolling for a good while, especially with price drop+ rumored 360 mini. Can MS make up ground? End of the day its the games that will convince and nobody has really seen anything. Yield issues, OS stuff faked, GPU underclocked etc etc. Who cares if it makes good games?

Seriously, wait one week and see what they announce and see if the underclocked GPU rumors make 1 iota of difference to a 1st party exclusive. Feel free to fill GAF full of MS hate threads if they get to E3 and show a load of shit. Hell, I will join in! I don't care who makes the games, just make the games I want to play. Its anyone game at this point! MS, Nintendo and Sony have to impress.

I've been thinking about this rumoured Xbox mini and with MS saying things like "if you want backwards compatibility then you're backwards" and telling us to keep our 360 if we want to play those games, will the mini really happen?

 

[omonimo]

Another day, another good news about xboxone. It's just absurd a company with all those money isn't unable to release a better hardware of sony. & another RROD incoming. My God.

 

[saladine1]

I'm tired, so very, very tired. The MS ride has been exhausting..

 

[Zumblakladla]

Tell'em - Watercooler!

 

[Raide]

Another day, another good news about xboxone. It's just absurd a company with all those money isn't unable to release a better hardware of sony. & another RROD incoming. My God.

Another RRoD kills them. Pretty simple. They did a great job of recovering from the last one but the majority of people are not willing to do it all again.

I've been thinking about this rumoured Xbox mini and with MS saying things like "if you want backwards compatibility then you're backwards" and telling us to keep our 360 if we want to play those games, will the mini really happen?

They have to keep 360 rolling, just to make them some money while the One makes ground.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

Realistically people will claim they'll code to the lowest common denominator and I would have agreed if the original specs were confirmed outside of slight differences like this generation.

If this is true (and it most likely is) then I have no idea what to expect. I'm hoping the PS4 doesn't get shackled.

No matter if Xbone ends up being a 900GF or 1200GF console, multiplatform games will be designed around it and then up-ported to PS4. The only thing that could just is just how much better it's going to end up on the PS4. If MS downclocks to something like 900GF, that could make an impact on design and possibly limit the scope and size of the games, not just IQ and FPS. And then Sony devs are going to destroy everything else.

 

[DC R1D3R]

Another day, another good news about xboxone. It's just absurd a company with all those money isn't unable to release a better hardware of sony. & another RROD incoming. My God.

I am not amused.

 

[crazy_about_denise]

I'm tired, so very, very tired. The MS ride has been exhausting..

 

[Yellowflashdude]

Really hope this is not true. This would basically mean smaller open world games etc.

 

[Dead Prince]

Wonder if they will fake the demo at e3 as well with pc footage and controller or just trailers as they anounce new titles.

 

[Raide]

Really hope this is not true. This would basically mean smaller open world games etc.

Really? I am sure the power won't go lower than a 360 will. SO I don't see the size getting smaller. the One is still going to be much better than the 360, so the games will still look better.

 

[Yellowflashdude]

Really? I am sure the power won't go lower than a 360 will. SO I don't see the size getting smaller. the One is still going to be much better than the 360, so the games will still look better.

Smaller than what should be expected after 8 years.

 

[lightchris]

Really hope this is not true. This would basically mean smaller open world games etc.

Not really. That would be more dependent on RAM size.

 

[dragonelite]

I'm tired, so very, very tired. The MS ride has been exhausting..

Ms no fun allowed..
Time will tell if they have a wii on their hands or a wiiu.

 

[twobear]

Ms no fun allowed..
Time will tell if they have a wii on their hands or a wiiu.

Or, you know, a 360 or PS3.

 

[Raide]

Smaller than what should be expected after 8 years.

Personally, I would rather they make smaller worlds with more in them. Skyrim is massive, yet it has loads of empty spaces that you just run across.

Make more detailed worlds, not just bigger worlds!

 

[Raist]

Man this reveal is a fucking train wreck. They managed to outdo Nintendo.
They still have time to get their shit sorted but it doesn't look very promising.

I can't help but think that they weren't really planning to reveal/launch that early (they seemed quite comfortable with the 360 sales) but Sony's early move made them go for it in a bit of a panic mode.

 

[Clear]

This is really starting to look like PS3/360 all over again, except with the roles reversed.

360 benefited hugely from following a more conservative approach to design architecture, while the PS3 suffered from riding the edge too closely. Yield issues are huge problem because as its a physical problem in manufacture, its a slow and expensive road to righting the ship.

 

[i-Lo]

More importantly wills this cause a launch delay for Xbone to sort stuff out or will they sacrifice more GPU power instead? So in essence can more time afford them a solution that is not detrimental to the performance?

 

[Regulus Tera]

Seriously, junior, go to hell.

You are so macho, you.

 

[syko de4d]

Smaller than what should be expected after 8 years.

i dont think less GPU power will make Worlds smaller oO

It has more to do with what Devs want to do. It´s just more work to create a bigger world.
There are MMO´s with a HUGE world and running on a Intel HD4000 ^^

 

[twobear]

This is really starting to look like PS3/360 all over again, except with the roles reversed.

360 benefited hugely from following a more conservative approach to design architecture, while the PS3 suffered from riding the edge too closely. Yield issues are huge problem because as its a physical problem in manufacture, its a slow and expensive road to righting the ship.

Yes except that when Sony did it they did eventually have an advantage even if it was only apparent on a handful of first-party titles.

There's no way that the engineering on Xbone can be regarded as anything other than a disaster at this point. They're having chip yield problems on a chip that's half as powerful as the competition, and which are both years behind when compared to the cutting edge.

 

[AstroZombie]

Not sure how anyone can say this is complete bullshit consider the OP and follow-ups read like a who's who of NeoGAF insiders.

Still, the Whitta rule applies and people will.

 

[Luigiv]

From vgleaks:

That has nothing to do with the switch in RAM type, that's purely a switch in design philosophy. In fact the Wii U has the exact same flexibility with it's eDRAM pool.

Edit: Beaten.

 

[i-Lo]

We need our newest social agencies sign ups to give us hope.

 

[DC1]

Contrary to popular belief, just because MS has billions doesn't mean they're going to throw billions after billions to any one product team(s).

But that doesn't mean they are willing waste money on what is essentially a little side project for them. Sony seem to be more invested in video games

But do they want to spend those billions propping up the XB1? MS doesn't generally stick with a failure indefinitely. They move on to the next product.

That's a different issue tho, Leona was taking issue with the idea that MS doesn't have a piggybank, not the idea that that they would definitely prop up the XB1 indefinitely if they needed to.

I agree with you all, MS won't prop up XB1 if it gets trashed, and I don't think they would release another console either.

Thank you!!

My home is a breast with MS products, however folks should remember why MS got into the gaming business to begin with. Hint.. it wasn't to make money in the gaming industry.


What we are seeing today with MS is their end game/goal. MS is betting that they are the one software company that can bring all the components of life and entertainment together. And by doing so will become the only information gathering conglomerate that will have a major television viewing angle.

Guys "Please understand" Nothing makes money like advertisement sales and MS is looking for a piece of That pie. Not gaming.

 

[Raide]

#NoGPUDownClock

 

[Templar_Dante]

I used to frequent Semi-Accurate in the past, Im pretty sure I heard a similar situation there last November/December or so. Thought nothing of it at the reveal, it appeared Microsoft had all their ducks lined up in a row. Theres some very credible sources in the OP, so Im inclined to believe its true.

 

[Om3ga]

Oh man only 5 more days to go! I don't know. If anything this thread has made me more hyped for the new generation of consoles.

 

[MarkusRJR]

I agree, it is so much better to join the Sony circle jerk that is taking place on this site instead.

Imagine the audacity of people trying to engage in debate about a platform they are interested in!

I guess we'll find out more about this in the coming months

Most Xbox supporters don't bother me at all. It's just the few fans that post incorrect info or just disregard facts because they don't like them. I'm a pretty big Nintendo fan and I can (and most definitely will) criticize their actions when they do stupid stuff. It just reminds me of the "gameplay before graphics" and "wait till E3" fanboy bullshit of last gen when I was over at Gamespot in 2005/2006.

Sony is getting praise because they're seemingly doing stuff right. I don't even like Sony properties that much and even I think that.

 

[twobear]

Thank you!!

My home is a breast with MS products, however folks should remember why MS got into the gaming business to begin with. Hint.. it wasn't to make money in the gaming industry.


What we are seeing today with MS is their end game/goal. MS is betting that they are the one software company that can bring all the components of life and entertainment together. And by doing so will become the only information gathering conglomerate that will have a major television viewing angle.

Guys "Please understand" Nothing makes money like advertisement sales and MS is looking for a piece of That pie. Not gaming.

Actually if Apple are anything to go by, nothing makes money like producing great products that people want to buy and then selling them with a healthy profit margin.

I'm not sure why loss leadership has become de riguer in the console space but it's always seemed batty to me. It's as though the companies (except Nintendo) have come to believe that the aim in console manufacture is to 'win' by selling the most units and not turning a profit because that's what the fans think.

 

[Radical_Ed]

If true what will it mean for games?

PS4 fifa 2014 @ 1080p 60fps
X1 fifa @ 900p @ 30fps

PS4 Watchdogs @ 1080p 30fps
X1 Watchdogs @ 720p 30fps

PS4 BF4 @ 1080P 30FPS
X1 BF4 @ 720P 30FPS

I would say that's somehow exaggerated. Keep in mind that X1 is a closet hardware with custom strengths as the Data Move Engines. Seeing a nightmarish hardware as the PS3 pushing some titles like GT5 or MotorStorm Apocalypse at 12whatever x 1080 I can easily see games in Xbone running at native 1080p. That would depend on the game, the skill of the studio and the complexity of the effects and assets, of course.

Would PS4 outperform and in specific games even double the frame-rate? If this rumour is true (and I don't buy it much) probably and frequently.
Would this downgrade (again, if it's true) drive to a 1080 vs 720 situation? I doubt it. But man, the differences in AA, now that's where I'd expect a great leap.

 

[Omiee]

wtf where is this from?

 

[spisho]

This is really starting to look like PS3/360 all over again, except with the roles reversed.

What? How dare you!

PS3 may have had a rough time with multiplatform titles, especially early on, but there was impressive stuff coming from first parties that sort of justified their approach. Also PS3 never had any monetization BS built in.

 

[joshcryer]

I love E3. I love GAF. I love you all. So.much.drama. It's so awesome. It helps that we're in a console reveal cycle, but still, it's so glorious. Sorry for the OT banter. Just know at least one fairly long time lurker enjoys the fuck out of this shit. Don't hate yourself if Sony fails to deliver (they set the bar fucking high) or if MS disappoints (they seriously dropped the ball on messaging). However this goes down, it's going to be glorious.

 

[Joni]

Not sure how there can be a delay on a product that doesn't even have a release date but ok. Unless MS have sent word out that it could be delayed until next year but that's the only reason I could think this would even go out.

Didn't Microsoft just have that UK commercial that said it was releasing in 2013?