SlowRevolution
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god damn that kinect wouldn't go down without a fight
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Xbox One: Details on Connectivity, Licensing (24 hour check-in) and Privacy Features
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god damn that kinect wouldn't go down without a fight
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Deleted member 752119
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All this really boils down to two broad camps.
1. Collectors, people who don't have internet, people who replay games and keep their old consoles, people who sell their games themselves, people who rent, people etc. etc. who are severely affected by this and are understandably pissed off about it.
It's easy to think that camp 1 should be everyone--and it is a huge chunk of serious gamers for sure, but it's not everyone. Enter camp 2....
2. People who truly aren't really affected by any of it. People who are always online, people who only/mostly play games online (and wouldn't be gaming if their internet is down anyway), people who just trade games in (they don't sell on their own, or collect games to play again later), people who sell/trade their consoles when they move onto the next gen (thus no concerns over being able to play the games years down the road) etc. etc.
Some of camp 2 may be pissed out of the principle of the matter, but they can more easily shrug it off as it doesn't affect their gaming habits at all, and they can maybe some some benefits in not having to change discs etc.
Thus some in camp 1 need to realize that not everyone who isn't livid over this crap is a shill or fanboy etc. Some people just aren't affected by it.
Myself, I guess I fall in camp 1 as I do resell my games after beating them. But that's it--I'm always online, I don't collect or replay games, I get rid of my consoles when I move on to a newer generation and so forth. So other than having severely limited reselling options (which pisses me off), my gaming wouldn't be much affected by this. So while I don't like it at all, I'm not in full on rage/boycott gaming mode yet either.
1. Collectors, people who don't have internet, people who replay games and keep their old consoles, people who sell their games themselves, people who rent, people etc. etc. who are severely affected by this and are understandably pissed off about it.
It's easy to think that camp 1 should be everyone--and it is a huge chunk of serious gamers for sure, but it's not everyone. Enter camp 2....
2. People who truly aren't really affected by any of it. People who are always online, people who only/mostly play games online (and wouldn't be gaming if their internet is down anyway), people who just trade games in (they don't sell on their own, or collect games to play again later), people who sell/trade their consoles when they move onto the next gen (thus no concerns over being able to play the games years down the road) etc. etc.
Some of camp 2 may be pissed out of the principle of the matter, but they can more easily shrug it off as it doesn't affect their gaming habits at all, and they can maybe some some benefits in not having to change discs etc.
Thus some in camp 1 need to realize that not everyone who isn't livid over this crap is a shill or fanboy etc. Some people just aren't affected by it.
Myself, I guess I fall in camp 1 as I do resell my games after beating them. But that's it--I'm always online, I don't collect or replay games, I get rid of my consoles when I move on to a newer generation and so forth. So other than having severely limited reselling options (which pisses me off), my gaming wouldn't be much affected by this. So while I don't like it at all, I'm not in full on rage/boycott gaming mode yet either.
shinobi602
Member
#dead
The fact remains, through Steam sales and sales from other digital. shops, I rarely pay more than $20 for a PC game. At that price, its an impulse buy and I don't give a shit if it only holds my attention for 20 minutes. If its a shit game, its a lot easier to swallow the fact I threw away $20 or less than it is $60.00.
Over 30 million Xbox owners don't even have a Live account. Their money not good enough for Microsoft anymore?
Goldenmoney
Member
Boogie always delivers. He is the fucking man.
Stone Ocean
Member
Need the internet to download my digital game? Thanks Captain Obvious. Now tell me if my disc PC games need to be online.
Can these apologists stop talking as if Steam = the entirety of PC gaming?
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
They have said alot of things =p
That's going to make a huge dent in GameStop's profits though.
great post and I'd say that's it in a nutshell as far as people dealing with each other go
Technically, Sony said you could NEVER go online if you didn't want to.
This simple fact means Sony probably won't have this crazy DRM. If you never go online no way to validate
Uno Venova
Banned
yes sir
GregLombardi
Member
Fuck XBox One. They are literally making a play on the profits of reselling and taking value from the consumer, en masse, and redistributing it however they choose.
This is not acceptable, and is a blatant violation of consumer rights.
Fuck PS4 if it does the same.
This is not acceptable, and is a blatant violation of consumer rights.
Fuck PS4 if it does the same.
Playsation_
Banned
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
pharmboy044
Member
Fuck off Microsoft with that 24hr check. Sony you too if you have the same policy.
BoboBrazil
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crimsonspider89
Banned
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You do realize you can play games on Steam offline right? That you can play single player games without being online right?
You do realize you can play games on Steam offline right? That you can play single player games without being online right?
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Deleted member 752119
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I said this earlier, but I'm guessing they'll make us have a store account and then separate gamertag accounts that are linked to that store account.
That way if someone is violating the live terms of service, they can just ban that gamertag and the person loses that username, achievement history etc., but can make a new tag and access the games on the linked store account.
Just total speculation on my part, but I can't see them block accounts from accessing their games. I know that's how it works now, but that would be a shit storm and surely they've though of a way around that. Be it my speculation or something else.
ReturnOfTheRAT
Member
Love it.
Also a great post.
smh
sad really
I hate this "community" sometimes.
This is the last generation of physical media, and even during this generation I would wager that the vast majority of games will be purchased digitally. You can rage against your windmills all you want, but that doesn't mean it isn't happening.
Both console manufacturers will have digital trade in options where we sell back the license. Both manufacturers will have online rental options.
Putting a new disc in your machine will soon feel as quaint and antiquated as listening to music from a CD.
Over the last 7+ years of owning a PS360 they have not been connected to the Internet a handful of times, and only once or twice for more than 24 hours and I have lived in three different countries during that time span.
People without Internet are not early adopters and by the time these people get around to buying one of these new consoles they will probably have better Internet.
This is the last generation of physical media, and even during this generation I would wager that the vast majority of games will be purchased digitally. You can rage against your windmills all you want, but that doesn't mean it isn't happening.
Both console manufacturers will have digital trade in options where we sell back the license. Both manufacturers will have online rental options.
Putting a new disc in your machine will soon feel as quaint and antiquated as listening to music from a CD.
Over the last 7+ years of owning a PS360 they have not been connected to the Internet a handful of times, and only once or twice for more than 24 hours and I have lived in three different countries during that time span.
People without Internet are not early adopters and by the time these people get around to buying one of these new consoles they will probably have better Internet.
OminousShadow
Member
Oh my god, Boogie is priceless. That last part killed me.
Who is that guy?
Ninja Scooter
Member
I would almost rather them just have outright no way to play used games. At least then I could appreciate their brutal, blunt, money hungry honesty. This convoluted bullshit plan they are rolling out just seems like them throwing crumbs at a starving person, and gamers are the starving person.
dont need an internet connection to play them though. not to mention they're much, much cheaper.
chixdiggit
Member
Not trying to stick up for MS but goddamn is the Kinect a solid piece of plastic.
webkatt
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This is the reason I chose consoles as my gaming platform. Ultimately I knew what i was getting into with PCs and Steam. It's mostly a single player experience barring line play
For me consoles have always been about couch co-op and ease of access, i don't have to update my video card drivers, etc.
Now with all this crap I may have to convert to PC/Steam as it's less restrictions and better prices.
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Deleted member 752119
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I believe what they said is the console would work if you never put it online--it seemed very dodgy semantically.
The console could still work, but certain games from certain publishers may not if they don't go online to get authorized.
I just have a hard time seeing MS doing this, EA dropping online passes etc. if Sony didn't have a similar "it's up to the publishers" system in place for used games.
I'm unbelievably curious about how the general American market is going to react to this. On the one hand, it's usually the hardcore that drive the early adopter sales of a new console, but if GAF is anything to go by, there's not a whole lot of love for the Xbone right now.
On the other hand the mainstream media like Fox, NBC et al are going to be reporting on this to the average consumer as The Next Big Thing for the holidays and if the Xbone gets any air time on a day time talk show, the soccer mom contingent will be throwing money at it to bring it home. Makes me wonder if we're looking at a Wii situation again, and if so, how long will the bubble sustain before it bursts?
On the other hand the mainstream media like Fox, NBC et al are going to be reporting on this to the average consumer as The Next Big Thing for the holidays and if the Xbone gets any air time on a day time talk show, the soccer mom contingent will be throwing money at it to bring it home. Makes me wonder if we're looking at a Wii situation again, and if so, how long will the bubble sustain before it bursts?
Rebel Leader
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I disagree. It isn't people in group 1 that should accept that there are a lot of people in group 2. It's the other way around. People in group 2, even if its not affecting them, should be understanding of those in group 1. Plus, even if it doesn't affect them, they should be against anti consumer practices based off the principal of it.
Just because some company tearing down a slum to build a skyscraper isn't affecting me, I can still be against it in principal. (Random example I know, I'm just on very few hours of sleep).
Bornstellar
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For a certain period of time. You are required to authenticate at some point.
Granted, it's a lot longer than 24 hours.
That's nothing, I have my 360 connected to XBOX Live with two cans and a string.
EatinOlives
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The "bu- bu- it's just like Steam!" comparisons make absolutely no sense.
1) Steam is not the only source of digital distribution in its "own" platform. There are plenty of other venues, including good ol' box retail, that actively compete with Steam. There's even GoG, which prides itself in being 100% DRM free. No such options on the X1.
2) Steam does not require online check-ins every 24 hours, X1 does. It's not a month either, it's indefinite.
3) I can log into any computer regardless of its location with my account and get 100% functionality on that computer. X1 does not let me do that.
4) Steam got famous in the first place for the completely ridiculous sales. Until that happened the service was niche and was actually hated by many an angry Half-Life 2 launch buyer. Just last week they had Alan Wake and its American Nightmare DLC for $4 total. Microsoft is NEVER going to make those kinds of sales because they control all methods of distribution now.
5) You can even buy Steam keys from different retailers. There have been countless times where games appear on Green Man Gaming or Amazon DD that are far and away better than any time they have been on sale on Steam. So even within the steam platform there's no monopoly.
6) I can back up any Steam game I want to any form of storage I want and install the game from that backup any time I want. That's far more convenient than Microsoft's "Never use a disc again!" spin, and it already exists on Steam.
So excuse me if I call bullshit on any comparisons with Steam. As "draconian" as Steam's policies may be, they're nothing compared to the restrictions on the X1.
1) Steam is not the only source of digital distribution in its "own" platform. There are plenty of other venues, including good ol' box retail, that actively compete with Steam. There's even GoG, which prides itself in being 100% DRM free. No such options on the X1.
2) Steam does not require online check-ins every 24 hours, X1 does. It's not a month either, it's indefinite.
3) I can log into any computer regardless of its location with my account and get 100% functionality on that computer. X1 does not let me do that.
4) Steam got famous in the first place for the completely ridiculous sales. Until that happened the service was niche and was actually hated by many an angry Half-Life 2 launch buyer. Just last week they had Alan Wake and its American Nightmare DLC for $4 total. Microsoft is NEVER going to make those kinds of sales because they control all methods of distribution now.
5) You can even buy Steam keys from different retailers. There have been countless times where games appear on Green Man Gaming or Amazon DD that are far and away better than any time they have been on sale on Steam. So even within the steam platform there's no monopoly.
6) I can back up any Steam game I want to any form of storage I want and install the game from that backup any time I want. That's far more convenient than Microsoft's "Never use a disc again!" spin, and it already exists on Steam.
So excuse me if I call bullshit on any comparisons with Steam. As "draconian" as Steam's policies may be, they're nothing compared to the restrictions on the X1.
To download, not play!
Also don't understand how people can be so short-sighted about this. If this trend picks up in any significant way outside of MS (hopefully not!), it's potentially a fatal blow to ever easily enjoying/playing games in the long-term, 15/20 years after release. That's just fucking scary to think about.
hardcastlemccormick
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I do that quite a lot still. I don't feel quaint doing so - it's still the best way to get lossless music. Why does a digital future have to be all or nothing?
Internet doesn't just get magically better in places where it's spotty.
Your perfect situation doesn't invalidate everyone else's imperfect situations.
MaximumFlipFlop
Banned
FRANCISSSSS!!!!!
I believe you only need to authenticate once. Before going into Offline Mode.
Hahaha.
Shouldn't that be a red ring?
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
LMAO he's on fire in this one
God damn that Kinect build quality is beasting
This is a very black and white approach to it though. What you are saying is correct in regards to the very specifics of these two clauses, but does not take into account the indirect consequences; prices are likely to go up by average and so on, and these affect everyone negatively
This is a very black and white approach to it though. What you are saying is correct in regards to the very specifics of these two clauses, but does not take into account the indirect consequences; prices are likely to go up by average and so on, and these affect everyone negatively
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
I am in Dmaul's "camp 2". Internet always on, rarely if ever sell games/buy used games, so the Xbone stuff doesn't personally affect me.
That being said, I won't touch this fucking mess. What a god damn disaster in planning and marketing. As for the idea that Sony HAS to follow suit to keep the publishers happy, that's a two-way street. If the PS4 install base is significant at all (which it obviously will be) it would be beyond stupid for third parties to neglect the console just for used games/DRM purposes. They want to sell as many copies as possible, bottom line.
That being said, I won't touch this fucking mess. What a god damn disaster in planning and marketing. As for the idea that Sony HAS to follow suit to keep the publishers happy, that's a two-way street. If the PS4 install base is significant at all (which it obviously will be) it would be beyond stupid for third parties to neglect the console just for used games/DRM purposes. They want to sell as many copies as possible, bottom line.
LMAO at the couch part.
crimsonspider89
Banned
Yeah getting on once a month is a whole lot easier than every 24 hours. Means I just make a trip to local wi fi spot in town and validate there. But can't do that with the XBONE.
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