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[Knoxcore]

Regardless of all these statements that one console may hold an advantage over another, the fact is we have yet to see it. Games on the PS4 and the XBO look pretty much the same to me.

 

[jaaz]

It was released after the DRM 180. The biggest 180. The 180 that is the mother of all 180s.

Check your facts.

Heres the thread about the cover and the article
http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=610711


Here is Edges tweet about it being a Post DRM 180 article
https://twitter.com/michaelgapper/status/352017602131927042

Did you read the tweet? It said they went to PRINT after the 180 and the story reflects it. You do realize covers and articles are not written in a day or two? If you want to make the argument that they should have scrapped their cover and entire article and argument when MS announced ONE of their 180s, fine, but the assertion that they wrote that entire article and cover after MS saw all of the error of their stupid ways is silly.

 

[goomba]

I did not prove your point, i used your argument to show you that consoles that have better looking games have actually outsold the competition, SNES and NES.

Do not try to rewrite history here just to support your lousy argument. Almost every multiplat game on SNES looked better than the Genesis version, and first party Nintendo titles looked better than Sega's, its not even a discussion, its been done to death.

History is not on your side, despite what you thought.

wtf dude. this is a spec thread. i said the most powerful systems have not sold the best. a less poweful system can have better looking games though ( like your talking about) and thats exactly why we should wait to see the differences between ps4 and xbone games.. the pudding.

 

[Taiser]

Edge's sources are the most accurate and reliable by far.
They knew about the 8GB GDDR5 before anyone else.

 

[SoundofSilence]

Edge's sources are the most accurate and reliable by far.
They knew about the 8GB GDDR5 before anyone else.

Yep.

 

[BlackProdigy]

If Ryse Is A Benchmark For What Xbox One Games Are Capable Of Early On, Xbox One Owners Have Nothing To Worry About.

 

[Nozem]

Does anyone actually really believe that the systems are roughly equally powerful?

 

[twobear]

Leagues more difficult? I dont think we've got anything that goes into any detail on this.

You're overdramatizing things quite a bit with your recent posts.

Well there's;

I've heard the architecture with the ESRAM is actually a major hurdle in development because you need to manually fill and flush it.

“Xbox One is weaker and it’s a pain to use its ESRAM,” concluded one developer.

360 was consistently praised for being the best console (at the time) to work with in terms of ease of use. Obviously there are confounding factors now but the fact that people are even bitching about the eSRAM should be alarming.

As for over-dramatising, I dunno, immediately after the DRM 180 I thought things might look up for MS but there's just been a deluge of bad news. Nothing about this console has been positive. Literally nothing. The launch games are looking decent but obviously rushed (Forza) or so shoddy that they're already a joke (Ryse). The PR has been a mixture of vagueness, obfuscation and outright lies. It's $100 more expensive than the competition with only Kinect (so far) to justify the price difference. Sources are reporting a minimum of a 2:1 pre-order disparity, and it's difficult not to think that even if you put the DRM stuff aside, based just on the products that that reflects on them pretty accurately.

I'm honestly beginning to think that the Xbone is going to be Dreamcasted out of the industry in a few years. People say Sony recovered from the PS3, but they had guaranteed sales in Asia and Europe that helped keep them afloat, which MS wont have. They're already losing games to PS4 exclusivity (Deep Down, scores of indie titles), which is only going to accelerate momentum. And the counter-argument appears to be little more than 'wow you're overreacting that wont happen'.

 

[maverick40]

Edge's sources are the most accurate and reliable by far.
They knew about the 8GB GDDR5 before anyone else.

Exactly but certain types if people get on the defensive when their console of choice cod possibly hold the ps4 back

 

[Jack cw]

Edge's sources are the most accurate and reliable by far.
They knew about the 8GB GDDR5 before anyone else.

Yes they are. And EDGE is the most reliable mag out there. Really looking forward to see the DF face offs in the coming months

millions, not billions

But 5 billion transistors?

 

[VariantX]

Try telling that to anyone who tried to play Skyrim on the PS3

Or Bayonetta on PS3.

 

[Wind's Howling]

Not even the power difference between the 360 and PS3 was that huge when it came down to multiplatform games. Fifty percent is a tremendous difference and can eventually make the Xbone obsolete in the future.

 

[mrklaw]

If Ryse Is A Benchmark For What Xbox One Games Are Capable Of Early On, Xbox One Owners Have Nothing To Worry About.

code? IRIABFWXOGACOEOXOOHNTWA hmm, I'll need some time to work on this...

 

[Valkyria]

wtf dude. this is a spec thread. i said the most powerful systems have not sold the best. a less poweful system can have better looking games though ( like your talking about) and thats exactly why we should wait to see the differences between ps4 and xbone games.. the pudding.

Keep on twisting and spinning your arguments, not like you have an agenda or something. You have been proved wrong, deal with it and stop the nonsense,

 

[kitch9]

If any of this article was fabricated and untrue Microsoft would launch legal proceedings straight away as it's potentially a massive loss to their business.

I bet they don't.

 

[schwabdizzle]

We wont see real differences in in games til at least 2 years in. That is when we will see the real power of the PS4.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

Man, are you kidding? They've got the best camera in the world packed into that box. Do you realize what an equalizer that is for all of us who care about videogames?

No, we realise how desperate that argument is.

 

[Perkel]

Higher resolution = more pixels. GPU has to create and work hard on those pixels. There is no magical way to fill them with relevant data for free.
1600x900=1.43 billion pixels
1920x1080=2.07 billion pixels

ROP is final section of image compositing, they take all render data and add to them pixel shader effects etc into final pixel state.

I see thanks.

And how about things like physic calculation ? Or it is mainly pixel shader hog that keeps GPU from reaching better resolution ?

 

[cyberheater]

Does anyone actually really believe that the systems are roughly equally powerful?

The question now is how close in real world performance are they. I simply don't believe that you'll see a 50% performance delta.

 

[Finalizer]

Anyways, the PS4 is a fair bit more powerful, I think we know this already. Why is it still being discussed?

Because folks keep asserting otherwise, including MS reps.

Why is it so important to you that people stop discussing this in the first place?

 

[maverick40]

If any of this article was fabricated and untrue Microsoft would launch legal proceedings straight away as it's potentially a massive loss to their business.

I bet they don't.

Why would EDGE even attempt such an obvious blunder?

This is clearly true they wouldn't take such a risk

 

[Dictator93]

How can anyone spin facts for that much longer?

Ps4's GPU and Unified RAM make X1 look like a gaffe.

 

[Neuromancer]

If it becomes common practice for PS4 games to be held back graphically just because of the Xbone, I'm going to be pissed. The implication that devs/pubs might do it just to keep MS happy is really disturbing.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

code? IRIABFWXOGACOEOXOOHNTWA hmm, I'll need some time to work on this...

lmao this got me, hate when people type like that.

 

[kitch9]

Why would EDGE even attempt such an obvious blunder?

Exactly.

 

[big_z]

don't worry guys the required day 1 update for xbox will unlock the secret dgpu and things will be alright again.


I don't understand how the drivers are so fucked at this point. sony changed their console so I understand the suckage but Microsoft has had the same specs for over a year, they should have their shit together.

 

[K' Dash]

I think when you have prerelease PS4 games looking as good as this:


It's pretty obvious which console is technically stronger.

I was going to post Xbox 1 gifs to compare (KI, Ryse etc.) but out of respect for the devs I won't, they still have time.

You picked bad examples dude, killzone looks nothing impressive, DC looks good but then you have Forza wich looks good too and will be 60fps.

Resogun Looks FUCKING AMAZING, you should have posted some of them Assassins Creed gifs from yesterday.

 

[DieH@rd]

millions, not billions

bah

 

[Majanew]

I was going to wait to see comparisons for Battlefield 4, but... definitely going to go ahead and grab it on PS4. See what you did, Microsoft? My first Battlefield on a Sony console. It's all your doing. I prefer your controller's stick layout, but noooooo. You just had to go with that fucking GPU, didn't you? It's bad enough your RAM can't keep up with PS4's, but your GPU gets fucking stomped on.

Gotta stay in my bro's ear about picking up a PS4 instead, next January/February. Just so we can play co-op/MP like we do on 360.

 

[Curufinwe]

You picked bad examples dude, killzone looks nothing impressive.

Yeah it does.

 

[Wind's Howling]

You picked bad examples dude, killzone looks nothing impressive, DC looks good but then you have Forza wich looks good too and will be 60fps.

Resogun Looks FUCKING AMAZING, you should have posted some of them Assassins Creed gifs from yesterday.

Uhhh.. Yeah it does.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

Who else thought about Battlefield 4 while reading this? ^_^

First thing I thought too. I can't see ALL third party devs doing this though. I'm sure Sony will be contacting them regularly to ask: 'WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING!?'

 

[szaromir]

Not even the power difference between the 360 and PS3 was that huge when it came down to multiplatform games.

It was when the devs didn't decide to gimp the 360 version.

 

[goomba]

Keep on twisting and spinning your arguments, not like you have an agenda or something. You have been proved wrong, deal with it and stop the nonsense,

please point out where i have been proven wrong . are people actually saying nes was more powerful than sms ? it was not by a long shot. ill post the specs if i have to.

 

[Jack cw]

Not even the power difference between the 360 and PS3 was that huge when it came down to multiplatform games. Fifty percent is a tremendous difference and can eventually make the Xbone obsolete in the future.

That is hyperbole.
The gap is there and it will be significant but no way it could make the Xbone obsolete... PS2 wasnt obsolete because of the original xbox etc. This gen the gap wasnt that big but especially in open world games with streaming the PS3 had to suffer with lower res, low res textures, effects blurr etc. It was noticable if you had both versions running parallel. This time though we might see a difference without comparing it in absolute detail but even if the PS4 is 50% faster in practice it wouldnt make the Xbone obsolete. It will will position itself in the market but not for the people who want the technical best version.

 

[cyberheater]

If it becomes common practice for PS4 games to be held back graphically just because of the Xbone, I'm going to be pissed. The implication that devs/pubs might do it just to keep MS happy is really disturbing.

I don't think it's going to be like that. I think they'll have a list of targets that both platforms need to achieve. If the Xbox can't quite meet the target, the devs will spend the time to optimise it until it does reach that target.
Once they are both close then they'll release it.

 

[88random]

It just confirms what everyone was talking about.

Even MS said they didn't target the best specs. But I doub't that anyone who buys Xbone is going to be disappointed. It will have some great games and exclusives for sure. Let go of the talk that the difference is small, because it isn't true and enjoy your games.

 

[Neuromancer]

The more I think about devs deliberately making bad PS4 versions, I have to wonder: wouldn't they want their games to look as good as possible on that platform since they're still competing against the games of other devs/pubs not to mention Sony 1st party games? Also what if (as expected) the PS4 outsells the Xbone significantly? Why would they not go all out on the platform that will get them the most sales?

 

[Finalizer]

The PS3 was supposed to be significantly more powerful than the 360, wasn't it? I can't recall the console wars numbers game. Was it kind of like this? PS3 whatever% faster?

That entire angle has been debunked numerous times earlier in this thread. 360 and PS3 have wildly different architectures, PS3 is harder to develop for. By contrast, PS4 and Xbone are essentially PCs. Stop using this disingenuous angle of argument.

 

[Asd202]

If it becomes common practice for PS4 games to be held back graphically just because of the Xbone, I'm going to be pissed. The implication that devs/pubs might do it just to keep MS happy is really disturbing.

I could see japanese devs not giving a fuck about Xbox One version so maybe there games will look better then the rest.JAPAN DOMINATION INCOMING!?!?

Spoiler

lol

 

[Barzul]

Show us then at launch. Differences should be significant and obvious then not 3 years from now.

 

[Bunta]

You picked bad examples dude, killzone looks nothing impressive, DC looks good but then you have Forza wich looks good too and will be 60fps.

Resogun Looks FUCKING AMAZING, you should have posted some of them Assassins Creed gifs from yesterday.

What? It sure does.

 

[jett]

I don't imagine the multiplatform difference will actually be that big. I think at worst we'll see a reversal of the early days of this generation.

 

[Curufinwe]

The more I think about devs deliberately making bad PS4 versions, I have to wonder: wouldn't they want their games to look as good as possible on that platform since they're still competing against the games of other devs/pubs not to mention Sony 1st party games?

Of course they would. Did Ubisoft hold back the 360 version of Assassin's Creed to match the crappy PS3 version?

No, they didn't.

http://www.destructoid.com/assassin...n-3-at-least-that-s-what-they-say-53989.phtml

These big open worlds, which are fully interactive, do come at a severe cost on PS3. There is considerable texture pop-in and noticeable framerate issues. Playing back-to-back with the 360 version, it's obvious that Ubisoft did not devote enough resources to the PS3 edition. The framerate is considerably worse, so much so that it begins to affect gameplay in the later levels. You can get through the first two-thirds of Assassin with the framerate being just an annoyance, but it becomes more of an issue for the final third of the missions.

 

[TechnicPuppet]

We will see on November 22nd.

If it doesn't show then it never will.

 

[RedNumberFive]

Is Albert still talking with the engineers, I mean PR team, crafting his response?

 

[nib95]

Edge were right about all leaks prior to the console reveals, and were the first to break the news about PS4s updated bandwidth, just bare that in mind.

But yea, this article essentially repeats what many of us have been saying. There is a real and obvious power and performance difference between the PS4 and Xbox One, but it won't really be seen at launch for a number of reasons. As the OP suggests, it's really only going to be post launch we start seeing the differences as developers climatise to each console and have more time to take advantage of specific advantages.

On a side note, from the other thread, based on DF's sources, currently devs are getting around 170 GB/s bandwidth from the PS4's GDDR5 out of a theoretical max of 176 GB/s whilst devs are getting only 133 GB/s out of Microsoft's fluffed theoretical max of 204/218 GB/s on the Esram. That's quite a difference. I assume the DDR3 ram is performing close to its max though.

We will see on November 22nd.

If it doesn't show then it never will.

Take it you don't read the OP then? It states that at launch differences will be negligible despite the power differences, and that it'll only be in later releases we start to see it.

 

[Neuromancer]

I don't think it's going to be like that. I think they'll have a list of targets that both platforms need to achieve. If the Xbox can't quite meet the target, the devs will spend the time to optimise it until it does reach that target.
Once they are both close then they'll release it.

Of course they would. Did Ubisoft hold back the 360 version of Assassin's Creed to match the crappy PS3 version?

No, they didn't.

Thanks guys I hope you're right.

 

[Mario007]

Show us then at launch. Differences should be significant and obvious then not 3 years from now.

Killzone at launch, Infamous in February.

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

Well I don't think they've said anything like 'specs don't matter' in a long time. And I think only that one instance.

Anyways, its PR speak. We know the PS4 is more powerful. Does it really need rubbing in at absolutely every opportunity?

They've been all over the place regarding specs talk, from E3 to now.
And i absolutely agree with you, it's PR speak. It's just like Sony "the lcd on the new vita is just as good as the oled screen" or Nintendo "not the same game, not the same content".
But, as usual, people flock to those kinds of threads. Not everyone believed reggie's bullshit line about the gamepad in batman making it a new game and not everyone believed the lcd is as good as the oled. It's controversial and people "like" that.
This is console launch time, where posters claim "the power of the cell!", "always online is the future!" and "wait for 2014!". Honestly, it's the best time (for having a good laugh) on gaming GAF. This will all fade away in a year or so, when people finally realize where things are going.